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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 8, 2019 13:26:43 GMT -5
I don't avoid going out but I am more aware of my surroundings. Being a woman I am already but more so now.
If I heard a backfire in Times Square I'd be throwing myself on top of the kids without hesitation. It sucks that I am becoming conditioned to respond to those noises that way but it is what it is.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Aug 8, 2019 13:33:04 GMT -5
lots of good, thoughtful answers on this thread. I enjoyed reading them. So do I but I do want to throw an addiional thought in here: how do you think the answer we provide here are different from what the people in Time Square would have said prior to going out? I would think not very different at all. Yet we all saw what happened when that motorcycle (car?) backfired → general panic.
How certain can we be that all/most of us who are "not afraid to go out" would have reacted differently? Are we truly not afraid or is this just a coping mechanism that we assume in order for us to go on and deal with the uncertainties of daily life?
I believe every single one of us WOULD react differently than how we feel in the moment, we just choose not to allow this fear to control our daily life. Like I indicated earlier, there is a probability of something unforeseen occurring to all of us the moment we step out the front door. Those of us who have experienced something traumatic is naturally going to have a lot of fear of doing or experiencing the same thing. After 9/11, my mother who lived in the Houston area lived in fear of planes flying overhead.
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Post by kadee79 on Aug 8, 2019 13:39:33 GMT -5
lots of good, thoughtful answers on this thread. I enjoyed reading them. So do I but I do want to throw an addiional thought in here: how do you think the answer we provide here are different from what the people in Time Square would have said prior to going out? I would think not very different at all. Yet we all saw what happened when that motorcycle (car?) backfired → general panic.
How certain can we be that all/most of us who are "not afraid to go out" would have reacted differently? Are we truly not afraid or is this just a coping mechanism that we assume in order for us to go on and deal with the uncertainties of daily life?
Having done a lot of target practice with guns of many calibers...and listening to our neighbors shoot often...even a couple who use fully auto guns (hope they have the proper licenses for those)...I can usually tell the difference in the sound of a gun shot or a vehicle back fire. There is a difference...and I'm hearing impaired & wear hearing aids. ETA...no, I'm not afraid of going out or going places with crowds...I will be a bit more aware of others as I go though. I'm already fairly aware of most of my surroundings...something I learned long ago.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 8, 2019 13:52:15 GMT -5
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 8, 2019 15:43:09 GMT -5
I'll throw this out there, it made me feel better.
The 'good guy with a gun' theory has been debunked. abcnews.go.com/US/breaking-nra-backed-theory-good-guy-gun-stops/story?id=53360480
The FBI looked at 160 active shooter cases that took place between 2000 and 2013, and found that in five of those incidents, armed civilians engaged with the shooter and either shot him or ending up with the shooter taking his own life. However, 21 of the incidents had an unarmed citizen 'safely and successfully restraining the shooter.' My game plan, if anyone ever came to our work with a gun, has always been to try to flee, but if I got trapped, my plan was to stand behind something large and try to chunk heavy objects at him, at the same time that, hopefully, a bunch of my co-workers did the same. Roll chairs at him, push the copier at him, throw some of my heaviest books and catalogs and the fire extinguisher at him. I'd either piss him off and get killed or maybe get lucky. Probably depends on how many of my coworkers abandon my ass and how many try to help me.
I should probably be nicer to them. Bring in cake sometimes. Or pizza.
abcnews.go.com/US/breaking-nra-backed-theory-good-guy-gun-stops/story?id=53360480
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 8, 2019 17:19:50 GMT -5
I told my daughter that had we been in Times Squarr, I would have knocked her down and saved myself. She is young and strong and in shape. I'm not sure I could help her much. (Of course i was joking. I would totally jump in front of a bullet for her.)
That said, I wonder how I would react. I am kinda slow on the up take sometimes. I could see me standing there going "What? Huh?" while everyone was running. And if I did run, I'm not sure how far I would get before I had to catch my breath.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 8, 2019 17:24:07 GMT -5
There are auto accidents, some deadly. I drive (but try to be aware and careful) There are plane crashes. I fly (but have a double before boarding; it also helps with mild claustrophobia) So, no, I'm not afraid to go out in public. Not wild about crowds though. Never have been.
I'm also not so scared that I feel the need to carry DH's handgun with me everywhere.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 9, 2019 8:22:31 GMT -5
I told my daughter that had we been in Times Squarr, I would have knocked her down and saved myself. She is young and strong and in shape. I'm not sure I could help her much. (Of course i was joking. I would totally jump in front of a bullet for her.) That said, I wonder how I would react. I am kinda slow on the up take sometimes. I could see me standing there going "What? Huh?" while everyone was running. And if I did run, I'm not sure how far I would get before I had to catch my breath.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 9, 2019 8:27:49 GMT -5
I told my daughter that had we been in Times Squarr, I would have knocked her down and saved myself. She is young and strong and in shape. I'm not sure I could help her much. (Of course i was joking. I would totally jump in front of a bullet for her.) That said, I wonder how I would react. I am kinda slow on the up take sometimes. I could see me standing there going "What? Huh?" while everyone was running. And if I did run, I'm not sure how far I would get before I had to catch my breath. I think what you might do is human nature. Your mind is having a momentary pause trying to digest a surreal situation developing around you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 8:41:39 GMT -5
Not at all, if it’s my time, bring it on. No amount of violence will keep me from going out, I’m more likely to avoid a large crowd out of a general dislike for masses of people than based on an irrational fear. Irrational fear is quite accurate.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 9, 2019 11:09:32 GMT -5
I told my daughter that had we been in Times Squarr, I would have knocked her down and saved myself. She is young and strong and in shape. I'm not sure I could help her much. (Of course i was joking. I would totally jump in front of a bullet for her.) That said, I wonder how I would react. I am kinda slow on the up take sometimes. I could see me standing there going "What? Huh?" while everyone was running. And if I did run, I'm not sure how far I would get before I had to catch my breath. I think what you might do is human nature. Your mind is having a momentary pause trying to digest a surreal situation developing around you. True. My daughter said 'I don't have much endurance when running.' To which I answered "Maybe you would if you were being chased by someone with a gun."
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Post by teen persuasion on Aug 9, 2019 13:26:31 GMT -5
Am i afraid to go out? No, but I do think about the possibility that a shooting could occur almost anywhere, now. A few years ago I'd have put that in the same category as getting struck by lightning.
So I have to fight my usual obliviousness and think about things ahead of time if I'm placing myself in a public/crowded place.
We did an active shooter training class just a few years ago for work. Felt ridiculous, then, to even consider it; not so ridiculous now, sadly. As it's a public library, we have to think of the safety of our patrons, not just ourselves, so puts a different spin on things. The big message I recall was prioritizing: get away if you could, hide if you can't, fight if it's your last choice left. Another thing they suggested was thinking thru the afterwards - if you flee, where to flee to? Having a safe meeting place (or multiples, depending on events) when the coast is clear to reunite so a head count can determine who's ok or not.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 14:04:43 GMT -5
Am i afraid to go out? No, but I do think about the possibility that a shooting could occur almost anywhere, now. A few years ago I'd have put that in the same category as getting struck by lightning. So I have to fight my usual obliviousness and think about things ahead of time if I'm placing myself in a public/crowded place. We did an active shooter training class just a few years ago for work. Felt ridiculous, then, to even consider it; not so ridiculous now, sadly. As it's a public library, we have to think of the safety of our patrons, not just ourselves, so puts a different spin on things. The big message I recall was prioritizing: get away if you could, hide if you can't, fight if it's your last choice left. Another thing they suggested was thinking thru the afterwards - if you flee, where to flee to? Having a safe meeting place (or multiples, depending on events) when the coast is clear to reunite so a head count can determine who's ok or not. Lightning - 1 in 1 million Mass shooting - 1 in 12 million. Spend your time learning to avoid lightning. The odds are you will be struck 12 times before you run into a mass shooters bullet.
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 13, 2019 14:23:37 GMT -5
Am i afraid to go out? No, but I do think about the possibility that a shooting could occur almost anywhere, now. A few years ago I'd have put that in the same category as getting struck by lightning. So I have to fight my usual obliviousness and think about things ahead of time if I'm placing myself in a public/crowded place. We did an active shooter training class just a few years ago for work. Felt ridiculous, then, to even consider it; not so ridiculous now, sadly. As it's a public library, we have to think of the safety of our patrons, not just ourselves, so puts a different spin on things. The big message I recall was prioritizing: get away if you could, hide if you can't, fight if it's your last choice left. Another thing they suggested was thinking thru the afterwards - if you flee, where to flee to? Having a safe meeting place (or multiples, depending on events) when the coast is clear to reunite so a head count can determine who's ok or not. Lightning - 1 in 1 million Mass shooting - 1 in 12 million. Spend your time learning to avoid lightning. The odds are you will be struck 12 times before you run into a mass shooters bullet. and then you have those crazy people that have the misfortune to be at the location of more than one of these mass shootings. they mess with the averages, making the odds better for the rest of us! Columbine/VA Tech91 North/Borderline victim91 North/Borderline survivors91 North/garlic festival
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Aug 13, 2019 14:59:53 GMT -5
The only actual victim, was the man wrongly arrested, put into solitary confinement for seven months, only for it to come out,, He didn't do it!! The police crime lab tech,, screwed the pooch on this one, yep, seven month solitary confinement!! All charges dropped, completely innocent!!
Ruined life.
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Aug 13, 2019 15:02:45 GMT -5
There are auto accidents, some deadly. I drive (but try to be aware and careful) There are plane crashes. I fly (but have a double before boarding; it also helps with mild claustrophobia) So, no, I'm not afraid to go out in public. Not wild about crowds though. Never have been. I'm also not so scared that I feel the need to carry DH's handgun with me everywhere. We go to the doctors for medications and surgery.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 8:57:54 GMT -5
Lightning - 1 in 1 million Mass shooting - 1 in 12 million. Spend your time learning to avoid lightning. The odds are you will be struck 12 times before you run into a mass shooters bullet. and then you have those crazy people that have the misfortune to be at the location of more than one of these mass shootings. they mess with the averages, making the odds better for the rest of us! Columbine/VA Tech91 North/Borderline victim91 North/Borderline survivors91 North/garlic festivalThat's thing thing about mathematical odds. They're always the same by results/numbers. They're even longer for the situation you describe.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 14, 2019 9:22:28 GMT -5
There is an inverse relationship between an individual's IQ and the chances of them being struck by lightening while no relationship exists in regards to being the victim of a mass shooting. Apples and oranges.
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