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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 7, 2019 8:14:02 GMT -5
You mean sleazy profiteers that prey on people during disasters with their $100 plywood. You realize you lost this argument when you tried to make it about me instead of the issue? And now it appears you didn’t read my post addressing this silly baseless attack. I don’t sell contracting services at all, let alone plywood at any price. But Democrats ARE politicizing tragedy. John Kass: "Weaponizing the dead of el Paso & Dayton. But Chicago? With 55 shot over the weekend and two 'mass shootings?' No. Democrats find no advantage in transforming the dead of Chicago into political weapons. My column for Wednesday. Hope you share."
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 7, 2019 14:50:12 GMT -5
But Democrats ARE politicizing tragedy.
The gun nuts always say this after a mass shooting. We're supposed to be solemn and sad and pray for the victims and their families, but it's not appropriate to address the underlying causes of mass shootings in order to prevent future shootings.
The hope is that, after several months pass, the voting public will once again sink down into ennui and gun manufacturers can breath a sigh of relief and go back to selling the next best automatic weapons.
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Post by dondub on Aug 7, 2019 15:23:13 GMT -5
You mean sleazy profiteers that prey on people during disasters with their $100 plywood. You realize you lost this argument when you tried to make it about me instead of the issue? And now it appears you didn’t read my post addressing this silly baseless attack. I don’t sell contracting services at all, let alone plywood at any price. But Democrats ARE politicizing tragedy. John Kass: "Weaponizing the dead of el Paso & Dayton. But Chicago? With 55 shot over the weekend and two 'mass shootings?' No. Democrats find no advantage in transforming the dead of Chicago into political weapons. My column for Wednesday. Hope you share." Never said you did but you do like to make everything about Y.O.U. But I do remember your rabid support of those tragedy profiteers charging wayyyy more that fair and ethical prices during storms down your way. That’s all I was really saying in rebuttal... you support $100 plywood, we all know you do. And I wasn’t arguing so nothing to lose there. Just stating facts derived from your posting history.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 7, 2019 15:30:01 GMT -5
You realize you lost this argument when you tried to make it about me instead of the issue? And now it appears you didn’t read my post addressing this silly baseless attack. I don’t sell contracting services at all, let alone plywood at any price. But Democrats ARE politicizing tragedy. John Kass: "Weaponizing the dead of el Paso & Dayton. But Chicago? With 55 shot over the weekend and two 'mass shootings?' No. Democrats find no advantage in transforming the dead of Chicago into political weapons. My column for Wednesday. Hope you share." Never said you did but you do like to make everything about Y.O.U. But I do remember your rabid support of those tragedy profiteers charging wayyyy more that fair and ethical prices during storms down your way. That’s all I was really saying in rebuttal... you support $100 plywood, we all know you do. And I wasn’t arguing so nothing to lose there. Just stating facts derived from your posting history. Don't forget he claimed to use hypnosis to get people to buy what he's selling. That's sleazy as hell.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 8, 2019 7:28:46 GMT -5
You realize you lost this argument when you tried to make it about me instead of the issue? And now it appears you didn’t read my post addressing this silly baseless attack. I don’t sell contracting services at all, let alone plywood at any price. But Democrats ARE politicizing tragedy. John Kass: "Weaponizing the dead of el Paso & Dayton. But Chicago? With 55 shot over the weekend and two 'mass shootings?' No. Democrats find no advantage in transforming the dead of Chicago into political weapons. My column for Wednesday. Hope you share." Never said you did but you do like to make everything about Y.O.U. But I do remember your rabid support of those tragedy profiteers charging wayyyy more that fair and ethical prices during storms down your way. That’s all I was really saying in rebuttal... you support $100 plywood, we all know you do. And I wasn’t arguing so nothing to lose there. Just stating facts derived from your posting history. I remember this discussion very well when I complained that people showed up in our tornado ravaged town peddling generators that were 4X more expensive than normal.
Apparently if you're industrious enough to buy some generators, load them in a UHaul trailer, and drive them to a storm damaged location, there is no ethical or moral limit to what you can charge the victims.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 8, 2019 8:36:44 GMT -5
You mean sleazy profiteers that prey on people during disasters with their $100 plywood. You realize you lost this argument when you tried to make it about me instead of the issue? And now it appears you didn’t read my post addressing this silly baseless attack. I don’t sell contracting services at all, let alone plywood at any price. But Democrats ARE politicizing tragedy. John Kass: "Weaponizing the dead of el Paso & Dayton. But Chicago? With 55 shot over the weekend and two 'mass shootings?' No. Democrats find no advantage in transforming the dead of Chicago into political weapons. My column for Wednesday. Hope you share." But 55 dead in Chicago would not fit into their argument about mass shootings and assault weapons, So it is meaningless! Black on Black shooting are also meaningless, because it would not fit into their "white Supremacist" is doing all the murders.
That except if some one black happens to be shoot by some one white. Now if some one "White " is shot by some one black,, that does not count for anything. Again if illegally in this Country shoots, stabs some one, that is even less than not counting!! Let some crazy "White" person kill some brown people Oh My God The Wheels fall off the wagon!!!
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 8, 2019 8:41:22 GMT -5
Never said you did but you do like to make everything about Y.O.U. But I do remember your rabid support of those tragedy profiteers charging wayyyy more that fair and ethical prices during storms down your way. That’s all I was really saying in rebuttal... you support $100 plywood, we all know you do. And I wasn’t arguing so nothing to lose there. Just stating facts derived from your posting history. I remember this discussion very well when I complained that people showed up in our tornado ravaged town peddling generators that were 4X more expensive than normal.
Apparently if you're industrious enough to buy some generators, load them in a UHaul trailer, and drive them to a storm damaged location, there is no ethical or moral limit to what you can charge the victims.
Why is it any different if your A/C dies on the Hottest day of the year, they want $12,000 for a $3000 A/C, You don't have to buy it,,
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 8, 2019 8:55:28 GMT -5
Paul great post! And note how the haters all did their pile-on? Hillary hate, name-calling, morals, Russia, profiting from human tragedy, deluded, irrational - all this in only a dozen posts. (No doubt a Lib will count them and point out the lie?)
I am not sure that I would qualify as a "hater", but i didn't pile on. i just mentioned that this election is polling similarly to 2018.
the same people who always pile on piled on. but that is not unusual here. conservatives do it, too. though less frequently.
you are a more solitary lot.
DJ, you were the only one that attempted to make legitmate reply.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 8, 2019 10:11:26 GMT -5
I am not sure that I would qualify as a "hater", but i didn't pile on. i just mentioned that this election is polling similarly to 2018.
the same people who always pile on piled on. but that is not unusual here. conservatives do it, too. though less frequently.
you are a more solitary lot.
DJ, you were the only one that attempted to make legitmate reply. that is because I am interested in dialog. not everyone here is. thanks for noticing.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 8, 2019 20:13:32 GMT -5
But 55 dead in Chicago would not fit into their argument about mass shootings and assault weapons, So it is meaningless! Black on Black shooting are also meaningless, because it would not fit into their "white Supremacist" is doing all the murders.
That except if some one black happens to be shoot by some one white. Now if some one "White " is shot by some one black,, that does not count for anything. Again if illegally in this Country shoots, stabs some one, that is even less than not counting!! Let some crazy "White" person kill some brown people Oh My God The Wheels fall off the wagon!!!
Well then you are not listening too carefully. The argument is actually- gun control in Chicago is meaningless if you can go across the state line and by whatever you want. We in Maine get accused of the same thing by Boston MA. There is a big billboard on I-90 near Fenway that decries our lax gun control here (and in NH and VT) and the effect it has on violent crime in the city. There is always an excuse, it is always some one else's fault. It is against the law for a licensed Gun dealer to sell to some one out state, unless,,,
Legally, if there is a out of State sale, the purchase HAS to be shipped to a licensed gun dealer within the purchasers state! Then, the purchaser has to do a background check.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 8, 2019 23:18:11 GMT -5
I remember this discussion very well when I complained that people showed up in our tornado ravaged town peddling generators that were 4X more expensive than normal.
Apparently if you're industrious enough to buy some generators, load them in a UHaul trailer, and drive them to a storm damaged location, there is no ethical or moral limit to what you can charge the victims.
Why is it any different if your A/C dies on the Hottest day of the year, they want $12,000 for a $3000 A/C, You don't have to buy it,, Correct. I didn't say there was no moral or ethical limit to what you can charge the victims. I said that it wasn't a moral decision at all. You remember my example well. The point was that prices aren't moral or immoral- they're just signals. They tell the market that the five generators sitting on the shelf in Pocatello, Idaho with an MSRP of $1,000 aren't doing anyone any good. I explained that if there was a market incentive to load them up and transport them to Naples, Florida-- someone would do it. How many hours drive is that? I ask because I assume you're a big "Fight For $15" person? What do you suppose the fuel costs? I'm guessing there'll be some meals and hotel nights. And of course our courier has to get back home to Idaho. The point is that all things being equal- $1,000 in ID, or $1,000 in FL-- those generators are going to sit in Idaho. Prices are the signals that tell markets when and where products and services are needed most and "anti-price-gouging" laws simply tell people with the means to buy what they need when they need it, they can't have it. People for whom price is an issue can't have it anyway, so that's pretty much irrelevant. And none of this has anything to do with late stage TDS-- like this literally mentally insane former FBI director that actually seriously believes that Trump is sending secret "Sieg Heil" messages to white supremacits: www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/08/07/msnbc_contributor_frank_figliuzzi_discovers_hidden_nazi_message_in_white_house_statement.htmlNow, I'm not going to deny that there's some pretty wild shit on the far right. Q. Pizzagate. Obama's birth certificate. But holy balls, man. This guy is batty.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 9, 2019 7:48:21 GMT -5
There is always an excuse, it is always some one else's fault. It is against the law for a licensed Gun dealer to sell to some one out state, unless,,,
Legally, if there is a out of State sale, the purchase HAS to be shipped to a licensed gun dealer within the purchasers state! Then, the purchaser has to do a background check.
That is false. Your restriction applies to handguns ONLY. Long guns - from .22's to AR-15's and the like- can be sold right over the counter. The above is right from the KTP policy on gun sales. Easy Peasy. How many of the daily Chicago shooting done with a long gun?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 8:07:21 GMT -5
DJ, you were the only one that attempted to make legitmate reply. that is because I am interested in dialog. not everyone here is. thanks for noticing.
I noticed. For quite a while now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 9:01:45 GMT -5
But Democrats ARE politicizing tragedy.
The gun nuts always say this after a mass shooting. We're supposed to be solemn and sad and pray for the victims and their families, but it's not appropriate to address the underlying causes of mass shootings in order to prevent future shootings.
The hope is that, after several months pass, the voting public will once again sink down into ennui and gun manufacturers can breath a sigh of relief and go back to selling the next best automatic weapons.
It's not appropriate because guns don't shoot people. It's just another tool. Democrats are politicizing tragedy. You might want to check how many automatic weapons are used in mass killings.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 9, 2019 9:17:46 GMT -5
Well then you are not listening too carefully. The argument is actually- gun control in Chicago is meaningless if you can go across the state line and by whatever you want. We in Maine get accused of the same thing by Boston MA. There is a big billboard on I-90 near Fenway that decries our lax gun control here (and in NH and VT) and the effect it has on violent crime in the city. There is always an excuse, it is always some one else's fault. It is against the law for a licensed Gun dealer to sell to some one out state, unless,,,
Legally, if there is a out of State sale, the purchase HAS to be shipped to a licensed gun dealer within the purchasers state! Then, the purchaser has to do a background check.
The disarm American citizens crowd doesn't know or understand existing gun laws- or, they do and they deliberately misstate them in a cynical attempt to paint pro-civil-rights Republicans as "extremists".
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 9, 2019 9:27:50 GMT -5
Mental illness has gripped large swaths of the Democratic Party-- I offer as evidence not just the anecodtal evidence of the sickness in these two artistic expressions, but the fact that in the case of the first- they believe there's a large enough audience for this that it will be profitable. It's a business, after all. Universal prepares to release TDS fantasy film where Democrat elites get to "hunt" and murder "deplorables"- Horror Theater Company posts "Death Camps For Trump Supporters Now!" Fliers in Patchogue, NY patch.com/new-york/patchogue/patchogue-fliers-read-death-camps-trump-supporters
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Post by tallguy on Aug 9, 2019 10:17:31 GMT -5
Mental illness has gripped large swaths of the Democratic Party conservative movement-- I offer as evidence...your posts.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 9, 2019 10:43:07 GMT -5
But Democrats ARE politicizing tragedy.
The gun nuts always say this after a mass shooting. We're supposed to be solemn and sad and pray for the victims and their families, but it's not appropriate to address the underlying causes of mass shootings in order to prevent future shootings.
The hope is that, after several months pass, the voting public will once again sink down into ennui and gun manufacturers can breath a sigh of relief and go back to selling the next best automatic weapons.
It's not appropriate because guns don't shoot people. It's just another tool. Democrats are politicizing tragedy. You might want to check how many automatic weapons are used in mass killings. You might want to check out how many mass murderers have used knives, bats, ninja kicks or slingshots to murder more than 3 people at a time.
And please explain to me what occupation, besides soldiers and drug lords, have an occupational need for a tool like a military assault style weapon? Can something still be referred to as a tool if almost no one on the plant has a legitimate need for one? Isn't it just a toy at that point?
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 9, 2019 10:44:44 GMT -5
Mental illness has gripped large swaths of the Democratic Party-- I offer as evidence not just the anecodtal evidence of the sickness in these two artistic expressions, but the fact that in the case of the first- they believe there's a large enough audience for this that it will be profitable. It's a business, after all. Universal prepares to release TDS fantasy film where Democrat elites get to "hunt" and murder "deplorables"- Horror Theater Company posts "Death Camps For Trump Supporters Now!" Fliers in Patchogue, NY patch.com/new-york/patchogue/patchogue-fliers-read-death-camps-trump-supportersIf your post is true, think about how this will impact the 2020 election, if there are enough angry voters buying this kind of stuff.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 9, 2019 10:54:08 GMT -5
yeah, because we all know how much Pizzagate hurt Trump.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 9, 2019 11:14:05 GMT -5
Ironic that it's trump-supporting white nationalists who are participating in 'The Hunt' in the United States.
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Post by tallguy on Aug 9, 2019 11:25:17 GMT -5
Ironic that it's trump-supporting white nationalists who are participating in 'The Hunt' in the United States. While I am not about to click on any link from the OP, no matter how legitimate it seems to be, I do have a question: Which side is portrayed as the good guys? At this point it is just as likely to be a right-wing propaganda piece as it is a left-wing hit piece.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 9, 2019 11:28:10 GMT -5
Ironic that it's trump-supporting white nationalists who are participating in 'The Hunt' in the United States. While I am not about to click on any link from the OP, no matter how legitimate it seems to be, I do have a question: Which side is portrayed as the good guys? At this point it is just as likely to be a right-wing propaganda piece as it is a left-wing hit piece. The movie's billed as satire. But the trumpsters feel they are under siege.
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Post by tallguy on Aug 9, 2019 11:31:50 GMT -5
While I am not about to click on any link from the OP, no matter how legitimate it seems to be, I do have a question: Which side is portrayed as the good guys? At this point it is just as likely to be a right-wing propaganda piece as it is a left-wing hit piece. The movie's billed as satire. But the trumpsters feel they are under siege. Satire. So they are turning around what is actually happening in the country and making the Trump supporters victims instead of perpetrators? Sounds about right.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 13:03:11 GMT -5
It's not appropriate because guns don't shoot people. It's just another tool. Democrats are politicizing tragedy. You might want to check how many automatic weapons are used in mass killings. You might want to check out how many mass murderers have used knives, bats, ninja kicks or slingshots to murder more than 3 people at a time. (1)
And please explain to me what occupation, besides soldiers and drug lords, have an occupational need for a tool like a military assault style weapon? Can something still be referred to as a tool if almost no one on the plant has a legitimate need for one? Isn't it just a toy at that point? (2)
1) Ok back to selective stats, I'm good with that. It takes 4 months to kill the same amount of people, by cell phone use in cars, than all that were mass murdered with guns since 1966. You don't have a constitutional right to use a phone in a car, yet nothing is done. It's not just those using the phone being killed. 2) Because it works the same as any other rifle being sold today. Doesn't matter what it 'looks' like. Back to cars again, only because they kill so many, many, more. If cars are just transportation, why do they come in so many different shapes and styles ? 'Performance' cars for one. Why not just one shape that's the most aerodynamically efficient ? A simple ovoid would also be a big help for carbon emissions. Anyway, using the basic description used by all, how many have been mass murdered by automatic weapons ? Since 1934 ? You never answered, only deflected to another statistic. Quote; The main federal law governing automatic weapons is called the National Firearms Act, or NFA. First enacted in 1934, this federal law regulates fully automatic weapons, suppressors, short-barreled rifles and shotguns, and destructive devices such as bombs or grenades. thefederalist.com/2017/10/02/actual-federal-laws-regulating-machine-guns-u-s/
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 13:06:18 GMT -5
The movie's billed as satire. But the trumpsters feel they are under siege. Satire. So they are turning around what is actually happening in the country and making the Trump supporters victims instead of perpetrators? Sounds about right. In a fictional entertainment kind of way.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 9, 2019 13:51:25 GMT -5
You might want to check out how many mass murderers have used knives, bats, ninja kicks or slingshots to murder more than 3 people at a time. (1)
And please explain to me what occupation, besides soldiers and drug lords, have an occupational need for a tool like a military assault style weapon? Can something still be referred to as a tool if almost no one on the plant has a legitimate need for one? Isn't it just a toy at that point? (2)
1) Ok back to selective stats, I'm good with that. It takes 4 months to kill the same amount of people, by cell phone use in cars, than all that were mass murdered with guns since 1966. You don't have a constitutional right to use a phone in a car, yet nothing is done. It's not just those using the phone being killed. 2) Because it works the same as any other rifle being sold today. Doesn't matter what it 'looks' like. Back to cars again, only because they kill so many, many, more. If cars are just transportation, why do they come in so many different shapes and styles ? 'Performance' cars for one. Why not just one shape that's the most aerodynamically efficient ? A simple ovoid would also be a big help for carbon emissions. Anyway, using the basic description used by all, how many have been mass murdered by automatic weapons ? Since 1934 ? You never answered, only deflected to another statistic. Quote; The main federal law governing automatic weapons is called the National Firearms Act, or NFA. First enacted in 1934, this federal law regulates fully automatic weapons, suppressors, short-barreled rifles and shotguns, and destructive devices such as bombs or grenades. thefederalist.com/2017/10/02/actual-federal-laws-regulating-machine-guns-u-s/You read the federalist? Figures.
Military assault weapons were used in the Dayton and El Paso shootings. In Dayton, how many people got killed within the 21 seconds the shooter was alive? Could that total be matched with Daniel Boone's squirrel hunting rifle?
Sure, handguns are involved in a lot of mass murders - but there are some legitimate reasons people would need a handgun for their job, or to protect themselves or their homes.
You have deflected away from my question about why anyone would need a military assault style weapon. I'm talking the rapid fire guns with cannisters that can hold 100 rounds. This is because there is no legitimate reason to own one, except the old 'I want to.' There is zero reason why these guns need to be out there at all. Zero.
And now, you'll come back with some word definitions to muddy the water, so you have a nice evening.
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1) Ok back to selective stats, I'm good with that. It takes 4 months to kill the same amount of people, by cell phone use in cars, than all that were mass murdered with guns since 1966. You don't have a constitutional right to use a phone in a car, yet nothing is done. It's not just those using the phone being killed. 2) Because it works the same as any other rifle being sold today. Doesn't matter what it 'looks' like. Back to cars again, only because they kill so many, many, more. If cars are just transportation, why do they come in so many different shapes and styles ? 'Performance' cars for one. Why not just one shape that's the most aerodynamically efficient ? A simple ovoid would also be a big help for carbon emissions. Anyway, using the basic description used by all, how many have been mass murdered by automatic weapons ? Since 1934 ? You never answered, only deflected to another statistic. Quote; The main federal law governing automatic weapons is called the National Firearms Act, or NFA. First enacted in 1934, this federal law regulates fully automatic weapons, suppressors, short-barreled rifles and shotguns, and destructive devices such as bombs or grenades. thefederalist.com/2017/10/02/actual-federal-laws-regulating-machine-guns-u-s/ You read the federalist? Figures.
Military assault weapons were used in the Dayton and El Paso shootings. In Dayton, how many people got killed within the 21 seconds the shooter was alive? Could that total be matched with Daniel Boone's squirrel hunting rifle?
Sure, handguns are involved in a lot of mass murders - but there are some legitimate reasons people would need a handgun for their job, or to protect themselves or their homes.
You have deflected away from my question about why anyone would need a military assault style weapon. I'm talking the rapid fire guns with cannisters that can hold 100 rounds. This is because there is no legitimate reason to own one, except the old 'I want to.' There is zero reason why these guns need to be out there at all. Zero.
And now, you'll come back with some word definitions to muddy the water, so you have a nice evening.
The classifications are also listed with the military, in regards to the federalist. The military uses assault rifles that can switch to full automatic. They fire at 1,000 rounds or more per minute. They weren't used at the last two mass murders. Assault weapons are simple semi-automatics, that fire one round per trigger pull, like my deer rifle. I've already posted that style doesn't affect operation Time to run away, as the correct descriptions have been posted. To clarify from the attempt, of you posting BS.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 9, 2019 14:15:54 GMT -5
Anybody here have any idea who Charles Whitman was? Charles Whitman shot 46 people, killing 14 of them, from a 300 foot tower at the University of Texas using a bolt action rifle that held three rounds in the magazine. We can sit here all day and talk about the weapons- and that's what most people would rather do because it's easier than talking about the real threat- which is human nature, the imperfections of the human mind, and the volatility of human emotions- and the fact that out of more than 300 million people, a few are going to crack. Some of them will go on a two-hour long killing spree with a knife- as happened this week in L.A.- some will drive vehicles into pedestrians, some will load a Ryder Truck with diesel fuel and fertilizer, some will hijack aircraft and fly them into buildings, and some will pick up a gun and do their evil that way.
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