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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 31, 2019 17:50:49 GMT -5
Make sure you are very specific about how your or a loved one's body is to be used for research purposes. Not a good way to remember one's mother. Man finds out mom's body donated to science was sold for military 'blast testing'An Arizona man who donated his mother's body to science in the hopes neurologists could shed new light about Alzheimer's disease made a startling discovery. Jim Stauffer donated his mother's body to Biological Resource Center after she died from Alzheimer's in 2013, KNXV-TV reported. But instead of her brain going to neurologists, he learned that Doris Stauffer's body was sold to the military and used in an IED blast test, according to an in-depth Reuters report. "She was then supposedly strapped in a chair on some sort of apparatus, and a detonation took place underneath her to basically kind of get an idea of what the human body goes through when a vehicle is hit by an IED," Stauffer told the TV station. "Every time I dream about my mom, I told you she was a quiet person, this person in my dream was angry." Complete article here: Man finds out mom's body donated to science was sold for military 'blast testing'
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 31, 2019 17:53:43 GMT -5
There must be a way a dummy human body can be created which mimics the human head, limbs, muscle, bone, and skin to use in scientific study.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 31, 2019 18:14:14 GMT -5
"Donating" your body to science is a misnomer. You have to PAY them to take your corpse.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 31, 2019 18:15:37 GMT -5
... Not a good way to remember one's mother. ... "She was then supposedly strapped in a chair ..." None of the memories of my mother involve what happened to her body after she died. Nothing that was done to the body she no longer possessed was done to her.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 31, 2019 18:18:21 GMT -5
I remember when Jaguar's (Sugi's) sister died. It cost her about $1,000. I looked it up, and donating my body to the medical school will cost about that.
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Post by steff on Jul 31, 2019 19:18:40 GMT -5
Not my Uncle John always wanted to be donated to a body farm. He figured with his size (a very large man) he'd be a good long term study. Odds are now, he will be, if not already, buried in a paupers grave or whatever they do with someone with no relatives & no money. As he would say "it's gonna take a lot of them to do whatever they're gonna do to me." he'd be a major pain in the ass for someone & he'd laugh the whole time about it.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 31, 2019 19:22:21 GMT -5
... Not a good way to remember one's mother. ... "She was then supposedly strapped in a chair ..." None of the memories of my mother involve what happened to her body after she died. Nothing that was done to the body she no longer possessed was done to her. I understand. Both my parents were cremated. A lifeless body is just a shell of what once was a living being. I didn't have to think of my parents decomposing in a grave. I will be cremated. Not because I don't want to decompose but because I don't want to br e interred in a cemetary. Scatter my ashes at a location of my choice. But I do understand the son's point. He thought his mother's brain was to be studied. Not her body getting blown up into bits and chunks. Not what the son wished and now has to live with the visualization.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 31, 2019 19:30:52 GMT -5
Not my Uncle John always wanted to be donated to a body farm. He figured with his size (a very large man) he'd be a good long term study. Odds are now, he will be, if not already, buried in a paupers grave or whatever they do with someone with no relatives & no money. As he would say "it's gonna take a lot of them to do whatever they're gonna do to me." he'd be a major pain in the ass for someone & he'd laugh the whole time about it. A good cause. University of Tennessee Forensic Anthropology Center Body Donation
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Post by steff on Jul 31, 2019 20:20:09 GMT -5
Not my Uncle John always wanted to be donated to a body farm. He figured with his size (a very large man) he'd be a good long term study. Odds are now, he will be, if not already, buried in a paupers grave or whatever they do with someone with no relatives & no money. As he would say "it's gonna take a lot of them to do whatever they're gonna do to me." he'd be a major pain in the ass for someone & he'd laugh the whole time about it. A good cause. University of Tennessee Forensic Anthropology Center Body Donation I don't know if you've followed the Bat Shit Crazy Aunt P tales, but we have no clue where he is or if he's even alive. Due to HIPPA laws, unless she decides to let someone know, we'll never be able to find him.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 31, 2019 20:25:38 GMT -5
A good cause. University of Tennessee Forensic Anthropology Center Body Donation I don't know if you've followed the Bat Shit Crazy Aunt P tales, but we have no clue where he is or if he's even alive. Due to HIPPA laws, unless she decides to let someone know, we'll never be able to find him. Is he possibly alive and institutionalized? Or is he dead somewhere.
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Post by steff on Jul 31, 2019 21:34:43 GMT -5
I don't know if you've followed the Bat Shit Crazy Aunt P tales, but we have no clue where he is or if he's even alive. Due to HIPPA laws, unless she decides to let someone know, we'll never be able to find him. Is he possibly alive and institutionalized? Or is he dead somewhere. Only thing we know is that she told another relative that she put him in a nursing home. That was over a year ago. He hasn't had great health in quite awhile, so we don't know for sure if he's still alive or not.
I've called/visited every nursing home in a 40 mile radius (about as far as she would have willingly traveled) and they can't even tell me he's NOT in their facilities. Due to Hippa laws, they can neither confirm nor deny that he is there. None of us are blood relatives. To get a death certificate in my state, I have to know what county he died in & prove I'm a relative.
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Post by haapai on Jul 31, 2019 22:42:01 GMT -5
I've called/visited every nursing home in a 40 mile radius (about as far as she would have willingly traveled) and they can't even tell me he's NOT in their facilities. Due to Hippa laws, they can neither confirm nor deny that he is there. None of us are blood relatives. To get a death certificate in my state, I have to know what county he died in & prove I'm a relative.
Isn't there some sort of list of deaths that is public information? I can see how such a list wouldn't be all that helpful if the person that you are searching for had a common surname and given name, but at least you would have more clues, especially if age or where someone died was included. Just getting some indication that he was dead or not dead in a searched geographical area would be helpful even if getting a death certificate required many, many more hoops.
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Post by steff on Jul 31, 2019 23:31:58 GMT -5
I've called/visited every nursing home in a 40 mile radius (about as far as she would have willingly traveled) and they can't even tell me he's NOT in their facilities. Due to Hippa laws, they can neither confirm nor deny that he is there. None of us are blood relatives. To get a death certificate in my state, I have to know what county he died in & prove I'm a relative.
Isn't there some sort of list of deaths that is public information? I can see how such a list wouldn't be all that helpful if the person that you are searching for had a common surname and given name, but at least you would have more clues, especially if age or where someone died was included. Just getting some indication that he was dead or not dead in a searched geographical area would be helpful even if getting a death certificate required many, many more hoops.
not that I've been able to find. We've tried everything. Even called adult protective services to ask questions. Tried the Red Cross because I know they found my dad to deliver the message that my Mamaw died. I thought if they found him, they could tell him to call or something. We're not blood relatives, so there's nothing anyone will do/tell me.
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Post by cronewitch on Jul 31, 2019 23:39:19 GMT -5
Social security death index is public, if you know much at all like approx. birth date, location, name sound even if spelled wrong you can find him if dead.
Send him a letter to every nursing home, they could give it to him and then he would know to call you, send phone numbers, offer to send him money if he calls, if he calls send him $20.
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Post by steff on Jul 31, 2019 23:51:28 GMT -5
Social security death index is public, if you know much at all like approx. birth date, location, name sound even if spelled wrong you can find him if dead. Send him a letter to every nursing home, they could give it to him and then he would know to call you, send phone numbers, offer to send him money if he calls, if he calls send him $20. I know his birthday, but not the year. And he was born in Canada & was in an orphanage most of his life. To be honest, I don't even know if he ever got his citizenship or was on a green card. I don't know the county he died in & that's one of the things I need to know.
The letters are a good idea, but we have pretty much given up. She won't tell anyone when she's asked. She hinted around once that he was moved from one place to another. She's also the type that definitely would have warned the nursing home about us. The relationship between her & my mom is toxic at best. There's also always the chance, he wouldn't be receptive to us finding him. My last run in with him didn't end well either.
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Aug 1, 2019 8:33:22 GMT -5
Steff, let it go.
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Post by tractor on Aug 1, 2019 11:29:08 GMT -5
I hope they blow me up after I die. That would be a cool way to go, especially if they also feed my remains to rabid gophers as a follow up experiment. Once I’m dead, I’m dead...
My mom and my in-laws have all signed to have their bodies donated upon their demise, all the families are on board, once they go away how they are used are in the hands of the receiver...
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Post by steff on Aug 1, 2019 13:14:51 GMT -5
That's pretty much what we've done. We're no longer actively looking for him, but we do still have certain relatives that talk to her ask where he is. But I still can't help wonder where he is, how he is & if he's still even alive.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 1, 2019 15:53:47 GMT -5
Arizona company piled up bodies and dismembered limbs instead of using them for research, lawsuit says n a statement given in May, Mark Cwynar, who was an assistant special agent in the FBI's Phoenix office, testified that during the raid he saw body parts stacked in all parts of the facility, including many in freezers, without any tags identifying them. He says he saw a bucket full of heads, arms and legs. One torso had its head removed and a smaller head was attached in a " 'Frankenstein' manner," he says. The torso was hung from a wall, the lawsuit said. The relatives suing the company allege it would "mutilate and desecrate those bodies so they could sell the bodies and body parts for profit to enrich themselves." www.cnn.com/2019/07/27/us/arizona-lawsuit-body-parts-company-sued/
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 1, 2019 15:54:55 GMT -5
They're supposed to return the ashes to the families. None of the bodies or body parts were labeled.
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