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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 14:42:15 GMT -5
In defense of deadly force. Not only appropriate, also legal. So it's OK to shoot someone over a parking spot? Miss the first line in my post ?
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Post by steff on Jul 29, 2019 14:54:14 GMT -5
couldn't even squeeze out a "thoughts & prayers" first. Anyone shocked? Entire reaction is all about themselves. No sympathy, no caring about the young children who died. Just me me me me don't take my gun.
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Post by bean29 on Jul 29, 2019 16:21:45 GMT -5
I just don't understand why all these thoughts and prayers aren't working. Same could be said for gun control. I don't understand why and armed citizen with a gun didn't prevent the shooting? Isn't that the solution. The solution to armed gunmen shooting up schools is supposed to be teachers with guns right?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 29, 2019 17:11:16 GMT -5
I just don't understand why all these thoughts and prayers aren't working. Same could be said for gun control. what gun control?
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 29, 2019 17:11:58 GMT -5
Well, guess everyone is just over it & doesn't give a shit about yet ANOTHER mass shooting. So this is the America we're just supposed to live with?
Current numbers are 3 dead & 11 wounded. Death count not high enough to get any attention? What, does the death count need to be at least double digits to get anyone to fucking pay attention?
And the dickhead in chief is wandering around like an old lost grampa retweeting satire accounts like they are real & agree with him.
Are we even worth saving as a country anymore? Doesn't look much like it or like anyone really cares anymore.
I care. When I drove into town this morning, I double checked that my .38 was fully loaded, instead of just strapping it on like I usually do, after seeing the news this morning. People are crazy and you never know what might happen. Sad day all around. wait, you sometimes strap on a weapon that you aren't totally sure is loaded? why do you feel like you need it, then? 🤷♀️
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 29, 2019 17:18:03 GMT -5
At least 8 people were killed and almost 50 were injured in 8 mass shootings across the US this weekendGabrielle Giffords, the former Arizona congresswoman who founded the organization after she was shot, released a statement Monday saying, "We know this feeling of heartbreak and horror too well." "We're 210 days into 2019 and there have already been 246 mass shootings," she said in the statement, adding: "This reality is horrifying. It's heartbreaking. And the fact that our nation's leaders continue to fail to protect us should fuel outrage in every American. This must stop — we must stop this." www.insider.com/mass-shootings-in-the-us-weekend-of-july-26-28-2019-7Nothing to see here! Move along!
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Post by NastyWoman on Jul 29, 2019 17:45:56 GMT -5
I have wanted to go to the Garlic Festival for several years now, but two things have stopped ne: (i) I hate large crowds with a passion, and (ii) it is hotter than Hades in Gilroy at this time of the year. So once again I stayed home and now I have a third reason not to go near there... looks like I may never see it despite the fact that I live less than an hour from there.
For all "we should arm ourselves to protect ourselves from nuts like this" crowd: the gunman was dead within a minute (90 seconds? I have read and heard both numbers) of starting his rampage. Do you really think that "you" walking around with a gun and joining the gun battle would have provided a better outcome?
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 29, 2019 17:56:25 GMT -5
I have wanted to go to the Garlic Festival for several years now, but two things have stopped ne: (i) I hate large crowds with a passion, and (ii) it is hotter than Hades in Gilroy at this time of the year. So once again I stayed home and now I have a third reason not to go near there... looks like I may never see it despite the fact that I live less than an hour from there.
For all "we should arm ourselves to protect ourselves from nuts like this" crowd: the gunman was dead within a minute (90 seconds? I have read and heard both numbers) of starting his rampage. Do you really think that "you" walking around with a gun and joining the gun battle would have provided a better outcome?
Everyone at the Garlic Festival draws their weapons and starts shooting at everyone else holding a weapon - what could possibly go wrong?
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 29, 2019 18:07:17 GMT -5
Same could be said for gun control. I don't understand why and armed citizen with a gun didn't prevent the shooting? Isn't that the solution. The solution to armed gunmen shooting up schools is supposed to be teachers with guns right? To be fair, I did read festival attendees were screened for weapons at the ground's entry gates. That is why the shooter used a fence cutter to enter the property from a remote area.
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Post by steff on Jul 29, 2019 19:18:05 GMT -5
Apparently, cops shot & killed the shooter within a minute of the shooting starting. So would a random "good guy with a gun" have done better? And in less than a minute, he shot 15 people and killed 3 of them. IN LESS THAN A MINUTE.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 29, 2019 20:51:37 GMT -5
Same could be said for gun control. I don't understand why and armed citizen with a gun didn't prevent the shooting? Isn't that the solution. The solution to armed gunmen shooting up schools is supposed to be teachers with guns right? Bean they had turned this event into a gun free zone, there were no armed citizens.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 29, 2019 20:53:01 GMT -5
Same could be said for gun control. what gun control? Cali banned large mag, assault rifles
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 29, 2019 20:57:10 GMT -5
Apparently, cops shot & killed the shooter within a minute of the shooting starting. So would a random "good guy with a gun" have done better? And in less than a minute, he shot 15 people and killed 3 of them. IN LESS THAN A MINUTE. In this case the Good guy with a gun happened to be a cop! Or do you think he should not have had one??
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 29, 2019 21:02:08 GMT -5
... resolve situations by shooting people... In defense of deadly force. Not only appropriate, also legal. Yes that is one situation. Obviously there are many more situations in which peoplethink it is the proper solution.
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 30, 2019 7:29:00 GMT -5
Apparently, cops shot & killed the shooter within a minute of the shooting starting. So would a random "good guy with a gun" have done better? And in less than a minute, he shot 15 people and killed 3 of them. IN LESS THAN A MINUTE. In this case the Good guy with a gun happened to be a cop! Or do you think he should not have had one??
No, I think the crazy racist who fired into a crowd at a garlic festival shouldn't have had one.
Did you know, in most European countries, cops do not go around armed all the time? In the one I lived in for 10 years, they only broke out weapons when they were engaged in a manhunt of a dangerous person.
I went to many, many festivals, church services, tourist areas, even beer drinking festivals where everyone was shit faced while I was there, and not a single gun was fired. Their current homicide death by gun rate is 0.00. (Homicides per 100,000 population per year). The US is at 4.46, which puts us on a par with Uruguay and Paraguay.
If the answer is that everyone needs to have a hand gun to kill all the mass shooters, why don't these European cops feel the need to walk around well armed - but since they don't, why don't aren't these European countries awash in continual murderous blood baths?
And don't throw out the whole 'we have a lot of immigrants and that causes all the gun violence' thing - this particular country I lived in was only 53% native, with a large (16%) population of 'guest workers' (Portuguese immigrants who did the shit work but couldn't vote). And yet somehow, they had their food festivals without becoming the OK corral.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 30, 2019 7:55:12 GMT -5
In this case the Good guy with a gun happened to be a cop! Or do you think he should not have had one??
No, I think the crazy racist who fired into a crowd at a garlic festival shouldn't have had one.
Did you know, in most European countries, cops do not go around armed all the time? In the one I lived in for 10 years, they only broke out weapons when they were engaged in a manhunt of a dangerous person.
I went to many, many festivals, church services, tourist areas, even beer drinking festivals where everyone was shit faced while I was there, and not a single gun was fired. Their current homicide death by gun rate is 0.00. (Homicides per 100,000 population per year). The US is at 4.46, which puts us on a par with Uruguay and Paraguay.
If the answer is that everyone needs to have a hand gun to kill all the mass shooters, why don't these European cops feel the need to walk around well armed - but since they don't, why don't aren't these European countries awash in continual murderous blood baths?
And don't throw out the whole 'we have a lot of immigrants and that causes all the gun violence' thing - this particular country I lived in was only 53% native, with a large (16%) population of 'guest workers' (Portuguese immigrants who did the shit work but couldn't vote). And yet somehow, they had their food festivals without becoming the OK corral.
But they can climb into a truck, run a bunch of people down on the sidewalk! They are using guns in Europe. ON top of everything else, the chance of you being involve in a mass shooting is almost zero!!
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 30, 2019 7:57:33 GMT -5
You are in more danger of being shot by a cop. if you take out family and alcohol related shootings!
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 30, 2019 8:01:28 GMT -5
No, I think the crazy racist who fired into a crowd at a garlic festival shouldn't have had one.
Did you know, in most European countries, cops do not go around armed all the time? In the one I lived in for 10 years, they only broke out weapons when they were engaged in a manhunt of a dangerous person.
I went to many, many festivals, church services, tourist areas, even beer drinking festivals where everyone was shit faced while I was there, and not a single gun was fired. Their current homicide death by gun rate is 0.00. (Homicides per 100,000 population per year). The US is at 4.46, which puts us on a par with Uruguay and Paraguay.
If the answer is that everyone needs to have a hand gun to kill all the mass shooters, why don't these European cops feel the need to walk around well armed - but since they don't, why don't aren't these European countries awash in continual murderous blood baths?
And don't throw out the whole 'we have a lot of immigrants and that causes all the gun violence' thing - this particular country I lived in was only 53% native, with a large (16%) population of 'guest workers' (Portuguese immigrants who did the shit work but couldn't vote). And yet somehow, they had their food festivals without becoming the OK corral.
But they can climb into a truck, run a bunch of people down on the sidewalk! They are using guns in Europe. ON top of everything else, the chance of you being involve in a mass shooting is almost zero!!
So no need to carry a firearm when in a large crowd in case there is a white terrorist. Because it's home grown, vastly white, American terrorists doing all the mass killings.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 30, 2019 8:09:14 GMT -5
But they can climb into a truck, run a bunch of people down on the sidewalk! They are using guns in Europe. ON top of everything else, the chance of you being involve in a mass shooting is almost zero!!
So no need to carry a firearm when in a large crowd in case there is a white terrorist. Because it's home grown, vastly white, American terrorists doing all the mass killings. Tenn, I carry a whole bunch of the time, It is better to have it, not need it than to need it and not have it!!
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 30, 2019 8:26:08 GMT -5
So no need to carry a firearm when in a large crowd in case there is a white terrorist. Because it's home grown, vastly white, American terrorists doing all the mass killings. Tenn, I carry a whole bunch of the time, It is better to have it, not need it than to need it and not have it!! But you said, "the chance of you being involve in a mass shooting is almost zero!!" A shooting here just a little over an hour ago. 2 killed, officer wounded in shooting at Southaven, Miss. Walmart; suspect in custody
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 30, 2019 8:31:40 GMT -5
I am going to take a moment to point out, inspite of how you try to convey, NOT ALL true racist are white. I have run into on twice, first time in Denver, off an area call five point, I was working on a self service business, when two men came in,, one stood by the door,
one came over to where I was working, " what's you doin here White boy" very angry,, I said just working here, I happened to have a large hammer there,
At that point the two left. In this case that hammer probably kept me from getting cut up! Second time, in a different part of Denver, not far from Stapleton airport. late at night , I was working, after closing, Just as I got there, starting to go in when the same two men, each on the arm of another white man, they were helping out the door,
There was a little commotion there, there was kinda a stare don , the second man, said at the point, to the white man, He really didn't mean to do that. They left .I went in, a young black woman run up to me ,, They just stab him, What are you going to do?? I am ashamed to say I did nothing,,, deeply ashamed, I did not want to get involved.,, Try that today. What saved me that time? a carpenter rig axe, I need a hammer that was my hammer ,, and weapon.
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Post by andi9899 on Jul 30, 2019 10:55:20 GMT -5
Oc, is there a post you can reference where any poster here stated that all racists are white? I'm going to bet that you can't.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 10:59:43 GMT -5
Same could be said for gun control. I don't understand why and armed citizen with a gun didn't prevent the shooting? Isn't that the solution. The solution to armed gunmen shooting up schools is supposed to be teachers with guns right? There's not enough of them. Never applied much thought to what happens in schools. My weapon is for my, and the DW's defense only. Every one else is on their own.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 11:01:09 GMT -5
Same could be said for gun control. what gun control? Usual restrictions.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 11:08:59 GMT -5
I care. When I drove into town this morning, I double checked that my .38 was fully loaded, instead of just strapping it on like I usually do, after seeing the news this morning. People are crazy and you never know what might happen. Sad day all around. wait, you sometimes strap on a weapon that you aren't totally sure is loaded? why do you feel like you need it, then? 🤷♀️ It's like a seatbelt, used to wear them before it was a commonplace law. Still wear them every time, but I don't check the stitching and mechanism every time I buckle up. I still feel I need it, for the maybe accident, though not very likely, the slow old man way I drive. The car gun is always loaded, but it doesn't mean my DW hasn't shot a rabbit with it while going down the driveway in the morning. She does that and then forgets to reload later. It's a 5 shot revolver, so it's not like you have a lot of extra.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 11:22:27 GMT -5
In defense of deadly force. Not only appropriate, also legal. Yes that is one situation. Obviously there are many more situations in which peoplethink it is the proper solution. Of course. I would dispense with my light, small, defense guns in an instant, they're a pain in the rear actually and unpleasant to practice shoot with, because the light weight equals much felt recoil. I much prefer using the heavy hunting weapons. But... a criminal element has always existed along with the mentally deranged. As long as they're present in society, those tools remain in the household inventory.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 30, 2019 11:27:40 GMT -5
Oc, is there a post you can reference where any poster here stated that all racists are white? I'm going to bet that you can't. I'm not OC but I can tell you that I have been told on here many times that only white people can be racist because they have the power. I forget the specifics but something like oppressed people can hate someone because of their color but that isn't racism. If I had the time or cared enough I'm sure I could find those that told me that...but I have neither so my word will have to do.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 30, 2019 11:33:13 GMT -5
Yes that is one situation. Obviously there are many more situations in which peoplethink it is the proper solution. Of course. I would dispense with my light, small, defense guns in an instant, they're a pain in the rear actually and unpleasant to practice shoot with, because the light weight equals much felt recoil. I much prefer using the heavy hunting weapons. But... a criminal element has always existed along with the mentally deranged. As long as they're present in society, those tools remain in the household inventory. And I certainly have no problem with people who are well qualified to have weapons possessing them. I support replacing the mindset that individuals have the "right" to possess guns with one that they have the "privilege" of possessing them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 11:40:51 GMT -5
Of course. I would dispense with my light, small, defense guns in an instant, they're a pain in the rear actually and unpleasant to practice shoot with, because the light weight equals much felt recoil. I much prefer using the heavy hunting weapons. But... a criminal element has always existed along with the mentally deranged. As long as they're present in society, those tools remain in the household inventory. ...replacing the mindset... Doesn't matter what the mindset is, it's written into the Constitution of our country, along with the Supreme Court ruling affirming the individual right. I follow the laws in this country as more than 99% of gun owners do. I don't believe in paying another to do my self protection (police forces) That creates a whole mess of other problems, see OC's threads for the details. One reason I live in an area where a police force is mostly non existent.
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