ICE Releases US Citizen Wrongfully Detained.

[OldCoyote]

www.yahoo.com/news/ice-releases-us-citizen-18-213610515.html

How can ICE hold a U.S.citizen for three week no charges??

ICE did not immediately comment. Nor did U.S. Customs and Border Protection, which oversees the Border Patrol, the agency that first detained Galicia.

Must be nice not to have to offer any explanation

[djAdvocate]

absolute power.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

It happens a lot more than people are aware.   This is why we should be fixing the broken judicial part of the immigration system before we start giving ICE unlimited power to arrest, detain and deport.  Did people really think it was only going to be illegal brown people that got caught in the crossfire?

[chiver78]

Jul 24, 2019 7:26:16 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

It happens a lot more than people are aware.   This is why we should be fixing the broken judicial part of the immigration system before we start giving ICE unlimited power to arrest, detain and deport.  Did people really think it was only going to be illegal brown people that got caught in the crossfire?

likely more than would admit to thinking it, yes. 

[raeoflyte]

It's terrifying.  He lost out on a try out for a college scholarship.  How many people here would still have a job to come back to?  1 month without earnings and how many months of no earnings to search for a job so hopefully you have money saved so this doesn't spiral your life into complete hell.  All because they thought his "papers" weren't legit.  

My old neighbor was a little girl in germany during WWII and told us a story of being separated from her mother with gestapo holding her and and her sister while her mother is trying desperately to show them their papers.  As if they were dogs.  But that's our reality now too.  Not all of my dh's papers match either.  Not because he wasn't born here, but because its a pain and expensive to fix birth certificates.  Maybe his blue eyes and lack of a tan would cancel out his hispanic name.  

To say nothing of locking people up for the sheer audacity of applying for asylum.  

[andi9899]

I really hope every American citizen wrongfully detained files a lawsuit. Maybe then there would be a shorter leash on ICE.

[mollyanna58]

More to the story:

"The reason it appears to have taken CBP and ICE so long to determine Galicia’s citizenship is because his mother, who is not a citizen, took out a U.S. tourist visa in his name while he was still a minor, falsely saying he was born in Mexico, [Claudia Galan, his attorney] said. His mother, Sanjuana, told The Post that CBP discovered the visa after fingerprinting her son. The conflicting documents only fueled the agency’s suspicion that Galicia’s U.S. documents were fake, Galan said.

www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/07/23/francisco-erwin-galicia-ice-cpb-us-citizen-detained-texas/?utm_term=.619155847dee

[Value Buy]

Jul 24, 2019 9:51:23 GMT -5 mollyanna58 said:

More to the story:

"The reason it appears to have taken CBP and ICE so long to determine Galicia’s citizenship is because his mother, who is not a citizen, took out a U.S. tourist visa in his name while he was still a minor, falsely saying he was born in Mexico, [Claudia Galan, his attorney] said. His mother, Sanjuana, told The Post that CBP discovered the visa after fingerprinting her son. The conflicting documents only fueled the agency’s suspicion that Galicia’s U.S. documents were fake, Galan said.

www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/07/23/francisco-erwin-galicia-ice-cpb-us-citizen-detained-texas/?utm_term=.619155847dee

Yhis makes some sense.
The mother messed up, and the kid suffers the consequesnces

[chiver78]

Jul 24, 2019 9:51:23 GMT -5 mollyanna58 said:

More to the story:

"The reason it appears to have taken CBP and ICE so long to determine Galicia’s citizenship is because his mother, who is not a citizen, took out a U.S. tourist visa in his name while he was still a minor, falsely saying he was born in Mexico, [Claudia Galan, his attorney] said. His mother, Sanjuana, told The Post that CBP discovered the visa after fingerprinting her son. The conflicting documents only fueled the agency’s suspicion that Galicia’s U.S. documents were fake, Galan said.

www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/07/23/francisco-erwin-galicia-ice-cpb-us-citizen-detained-texas/?utm_term=.619155847dee

why would a tourist visa ever be granted for a citizen? 

[djAdvocate]

good question, chiver.

it is actually causing me to question ICE more than the US citizen.

[Miss Tequila]

Jul 24, 2019 10:41:44 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Jul 24, 2019 9:51:23 GMT -5 mollyanna58 said:

More to the story:

"The reason it appears to have taken CBP and ICE so long to determine Galicia’s citizenship is because his mother, who is not a citizen, took out a U.S. tourist visa in his name while he was still a minor, falsely saying he was born in Mexico, [Claudia Galan, his attorney] said. His mother, Sanjuana, told The Post that CBP discovered the visa after fingerprinting her son. The conflicting documents only fueled the agency’s suspicion that Galicia’s U.S. documents were fake, Galan said.

www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/07/23/francisco-erwin-galicia-ice-cpb-us-citizen-detained-texas/?utm_term=.619155847dee

why would a tourist visa ever be granted for a citizen? 

He was born to a Mexican citizen.  Wouldn't he then have the option to have a Mexican passport?  If so, the mother presents that passport to obtain a travel visa.  How in the world with the know that Jane Doe is also a citizen of the US, if not presented with the documentation to show that she is also a US citizen?

[chiver78]

Jul 24, 2019 12:17:29 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Jul 24, 2019 10:41:44 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

why would a tourist visa ever be granted for a citizen? 

He was born to a Mexican citizen.  Wouldn't he then have the option to have a Mexican passport?  If so, the mother presents that passport to obtain a travel visa.  How in the world with the know that Jane Doe is also a citizen of the US, if not presented with the documentation to show that she is also a US citizen?

I would guess he qualifies for a Mexican passport, but I don't know Mexico's requirements for citizenship. 

as far as knowing whether Jane Doe is a citizen or not, this just further illustrates that the various departments of our government do not exchange enough information. why would they take unofficial copies of whatever was presented at face value? 

[Miss Tequila]

Jul 24, 2019 12:26:49 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Jul 24, 2019 12:17:29 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

He was born to a Mexican citizen.  Wouldn't he then have the option to have a Mexican passport?  If so, the mother presents that passport to obtain a travel visa.  How in the world with the know that Jane Doe is also a citizen of the US, if not presented with the documentation to show that she is also a US citizen?

I would guess he qualifies for a Mexican passport, but I don't know Mexico's requirements for citizenship. 

as far as knowing whether Jane Doe is a citizen or not, this just further illustrates that the various departments of our government do not exchange enough information. why would they take unofficial copies of whatever was presented at face value? 

I don't understand what "unofficial copies" you are talking about.  Based on my quick google search, Mexico allows dual citizenship so the passport and whatever other paperwork they would have needed to submit for the travel visa very well could have been official.  

The mother is illegal as is his brother (brother was deported based on the story).  Toss in the fact that he had a travel visa from when he was a child and this is not as cut and dry as some people want to make it out to be.  They did not rip a person off the street who in no way should have been considered illegal.  When your family is illegal and you have a bogus travel visa, that to me would seem to give reasonable cause to question whether he was also here illegally.  Sucks for the guy in question but he can thank his mom for this.  

[mollyanna58]

Jul 24, 2019 10:41:44 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Jul 24, 2019 9:51:23 GMT -5 mollyanna58 said:

More to the story:

"The reason it appears to have taken CBP and ICE so long to determine Galicia’s citizenship is because his mother, who is not a citizen, took out a U.S. tourist visa in his name while he was still a minor, falsely saying he was born in Mexico, [Claudia Galan, his attorney] said. His mother, Sanjuana, told The Post that CBP discovered the visa after fingerprinting her son. The conflicting documents only fueled the agency’s suspicion that Galicia’s U.S. documents were fake, Galan said.

www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/07/23/francisco-erwin-galicia-ice-cpb-us-citizen-detained-texas/?utm_term=.619155847dee

why would a tourist visa ever be granted for a citizen? 

Because his mother lied on the visa application, stating he was born in Mexico.  

[chiver78]

Jul 24, 2019 13:23:36 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Jul 24, 2019 12:26:49 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

I would guess he qualifies for a Mexican passport, but I don't know Mexico's requirements for citizenship. 

as far as knowing whether Jane Doe is a citizen or not, this just further illustrates that the various departments of our government do not exchange enough information. why would they take unofficial copies of whatever was presented at face value? 

I don't understand what "unofficial copies" you are talking about.  Based on my quick google search, Mexico allows dual citizenship so the passport and whatever other paperwork they would have needed to submit for the travel visa very well could have been official.  

The mother is illegal as is his brother (brother was deported based on the story).  Toss in the fact that he had a travel visa from when he was a child and this is not as cut and dry as some people want to make it out to be.  They did not rip a person off the street who in no way should have been considered illegal.  When your family is illegal and you have a bogus travel visa, that to me would seem to give reasonable cause to question whether he was also here illegally.  Sucks for the guy in question but he can thank his mom for this.  

whatever proof of citizenship or birth certificate was presented with the forms for the visa. if the kid was born here, whatever she may have had that said he was born in Mexico was not going to be an official copy of anything. 

[Value Buy]

Jul 24, 2019 11:02:16 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

good question, chiver.

it is actually causing me to question ICE more than the US citizen.

Why?
ICE does not issue visas.
Not their fault he had one.
But we know who was at fault. His illegal immigrant mother who applied for one for him.

[chiver78]

Jul 24, 2019 13:58:31 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Jul 24, 2019 11:02:16 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

good question, chiver.

it is actually causing me to question ICE more than the US citizen.

Why?
ICE does not issue visas.
Not their fault he had one.
But we know who was at fault. His illegal immigrant mother who applied for one for him.

because ICE should be doing a little more checking to make sure he's actually here illegally before detaining him?

[Miss Tequila]

Jul 24, 2019 13:31:47 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Jul 24, 2019 13:23:36 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

I don't understand what "unofficial copies" you are talking about.  Based on my quick google search, Mexico allows dual citizenship so the passport and whatever other paperwork they would have needed to submit for the travel visa very well could have been official.  

The mother is illegal as is his brother (brother was deported based on the story).  Toss in the fact that he had a travel visa from when he was a child and this is not as cut and dry as some people want to make it out to be.  They did not rip a person off the street who in no way should have been considered illegal.  When your family is illegal and you have a bogus travel visa, that to me would seem to give reasonable cause to question whether he was also here illegally.  Sucks for the guy in question but he can thank his mom for this.  

whatever proof of citizenship or birth certificate was presented with the forms for the visa. if the kid was born here, whatever she may have had that said he was born in Mexico was not going to be an official copy of anything. 

I had to get a visa to travel to Brazil.  I only had to submit my passport.  I never had to submit a birth certificate, official or unofficial. If he had a Mexican passport indicating he was a Mexican citizen, why would the US go any further?  

ETA:  I think I remember you saying you have dual citizenship and use your Canadian passport when traveling abroad (I could be thinking of someone else).  How do you get away with it when you were born in the US?  

[chiver78]

Jul 24, 2019 14:51:31 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Jul 24, 2019 13:31:47 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

whatever proof of citizenship or birth certificate was presented with the forms for the visa. if the kid was born here, whatever she may have had that said he was born in Mexico was not going to be an official copy of anything. 

I had to get a visa to travel to Brazil.  I only had to submit my passport.  I never had to submit a birth certificate, official or unofficial. If he had a Mexican passport indicating he was a Mexican citizen, why would the US go any further?  

ETA:  I think I remember you saying you have dual citizenship and use your Canadian passport when traveling abroad (I could be thinking of someone else).  How do you get away with it when you were born in the US?  

did he have a Mexican passport? I don't know. I don't know what the requirements are for the tourist visa here. I didn't stay in Europe long enough in one stretch to need a Schengen visa either, so 

re: dual citizenship, yep, that's me. I have Canadian citizenship due to the fact that I was born to a Canadian citizen. My citizenship certificate says "citizen born abroad" so there is a difference between my papers and those of my cousins who were born in Canada. as far as travel, the only restriction I have on using one passport vs the other is that the US does not recognize dual citizenship. I have to clear US Customs on the US passport. once I'm out, I can do what I want. 

[Miss Tequila]

Jul 24, 2019 15:35:28 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Jul 24, 2019 14:51:31 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

I had to get a visa to travel to Brazil.  I only had to submit my passport.  I never had to submit a birth certificate, official or unofficial. If he had a Mexican passport indicating he was a Mexican citizen, why would the US go any further?  

ETA:  I think I remember you saying you have dual citizenship and use your Canadian passport when traveling abroad (I could be thinking of someone else).  How do you get away with it when you were born in the US?  

did he have a Mexican passport? I don't know. I don't know what the requirements are for the tourist visa here. I didn't stay in Europe long enough in one stretch to need a Schengen visa either, so 

re: dual citizenship, yep, that's me. I have Canadian citizenship due to the fact that I was born to a Canadian citizen. My citizenship certificate says "citizen born abroad" so there is a difference between my papers and those of my cousins who were born in Canada. as far as travel, the only restriction I have on using one passport vs the other is that the US does not recognize dual citizenship. I have to clear US Customs on the US passport. once I'm out, I can do what I want. 

I only read quickly but from what I saw, you can't get a visa without a passport.  Which would make sense since you need a passport to enter the US (unless you sneak across the border).  

So it seems to me that she could have very easily presented false papers to obtain a Mexican passport and then given the US embassy a valid, official passport in order to get him a travel visa.