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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 30, 2019 22:52:09 GMT -5
How about all those that pay in every month, but can't see a Dr. because they can not afford the deductible?? good reason for medicare for all. Don acts like ACA is the most wonderful thing in the World,, It is not,, lots of problems.. the deductible is one of them! My friend Ramon,, pays every month into ACA,,,, say it entitles him to a phone call. that's about it!
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Post by tallguy on Jul 30, 2019 23:23:09 GMT -5
good reason for medicare for all. Don acts like ACA is the most wonderful thing in the World,, It is not,, lots of problems.. the deductible is one of them! My friend Ramon,, pays every month into ACA,,,, say it entitles him to a phone call. that's about it!
Then fix it. But honestly, I would almost prefer to close all the hospitals and let doctors get jobs driving for Uber than go back to the system we had. First, there is NO reason for insurance to be tied to your employer. It is a terrible system to begin with, and only came about because of wage and price controls after World War II and a poorly-written tax break. It was an accident of history. It was never intended to be a common or permanent change to our system, and certainly not the basis of our health care delivery model. Second, the fee-for-service model is wrong. It encourages more services whether they are needed or not, or whether it improves patient care or not. And because insured patients are insulated from the cost of care, they either don't know or don't care that unnecessary or expensive procedures are being done on their behalf. And we need tort reform. Malpractice awards are excessive, so that many procedures are done merely to protect the doctors or hospitals from lawsuits. All of these are reasons why our system is exceedingly expensive while not providing outcomes to the level of other countries. Yes, we have tremendous technical abilities and innovation for those who can access and pay for them, but we have many other areas in which we do not do well.
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Post by dondub on Jul 30, 2019 23:31:10 GMT -5
good reason for medicare for all. Don acts like ACA is the most wonderful thing in the World,, It is not,, lots of problems.. the deductible is one of them! My friend Ramon,, pays every month into ACA,,,, say it entitles him to a phone call. that's about it!
No I dont, but it’s way better than the alternative for the 25 million that access it. Massively better than TrumpCare which can leave you dead. and you keep whining about the deductible. Would you prefer bankruptcy?
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Post by tbop77 on Jul 31, 2019 4:39:30 GMT -5
that was not the case before 1986. EMTALA changed that.
what the ACA did was made it impossible for ANYONE to avoid paying for insurance (universal mandate).
so, what we have now is the same socialized medicine we have had for most of the last 3 decades.
Understood, how can you even compare the 2...I don't see the connection. The one states a hospital has to treat you Wichita will mean the hospital rates will go up. The other forces everyone to buy ins mostly crap ins or fine you. The people who could afford ins loses. ACA is horrible The people who could afford insurance have been losing for over 30 years because of a bill (EMTALA) signed by a Republican president. It was the largest unfunded mandate perpetrated on the American public. It's basic math. The ACA was modeled after the Republican plan in 1993. Yes, this has been an issue for decades. Where were Republicans when President Obama was trying to come up with a solution? Oh yeah, the only thing they were working on was making him a one term president. Good leadership on the Republican side, huh? I'd say if you don't want to be a part of the solution, quit your bitching about it.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 31, 2019 8:26:02 GMT -5
Don acts like ACA is the most wonderful thing in the World,, It is not,, lots of problems.. the deductible is one of them! My friend Ramon,, pays every month into ACA,,,, say it entitles him to a phone call. that's about it!
No I dont, but it’s way better than the alternative for the 25 million that access it. Massively better than TrumpCare which can leave you dead. and you keep whining about the deductible. Would you prefer bankruptcy? Bankruptcy ,, I wrote about my grandson wanting to borrow(Give) $6000, so he could have a medical procedure done, that the Dr. and hospital would not do until the deductible was paid. Don't need bankruptcy if them won't do the procedure in the first place.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 31, 2019 8:29:55 GMT -5
Don acts like ACA is the most wonderful thing in the World,, It is not,, lots of problems.. the deductible is one of them! My friend Ramon,, pays every month into ACA,,,, say it entitles him to a phone call. that's about it!
No I dont, but it’s way better than the alternative for the 25 million that access it. Massively better than TrumpCare which can leave you dead. and you keep whining about the deductible. Would you prefer bankruptcy? He pay $100 something a month,, entitled to a phone call,, no need for bankruptcy, from a phone call.
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Post by dondub on Jul 31, 2019 9:56:17 GMT -5
No I dont, but it’s way better than the alternative for the 25 million that access it. Massively better than TrumpCare which can leave you dead. and you keep whining about the deductible. Would you prefer bankruptcy? Bankruptcy ,, I wrote about my grandson wanting to borrow(Give) $6000, so he could have a medical procedure done, that the Dr. and hospital would not do until the deductible was paid. Don't need bankruptcy if them won't do the procedure in the first place.
Didn’t the taxpayers foot the bill when he went to theVA like he was supposed to in the first place?
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Post by dondub on Jul 31, 2019 9:57:59 GMT -5
No I dont, but it’s way better than the alternative for the 25 million that access it. Massively better than TrumpCare which can leave you dead. and you keep whining about the deductible. Would you prefer bankruptcy? He pay $100 something a month,, entitled to a phone call,, no need for bankruptcy, from a phone call. Please explain how Ramon has an insurance plan that only costs $100 per month. What happens after he makes the phone call? Is it like everyone else and the call yields an appointment?
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Post by dondub on Jul 31, 2019 10:02:07 GMT -5
Now if you do have a $6000 deductible but a $100,000 hospital stay, you just avoided bankruptcy. Do you get the point yet?
And if he doesn’t have the $6k he should follow the Repo-Con recommendation procedure and get a second job.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 31, 2019 10:55:53 GMT -5
Understood, how can you even compare the 2...I don't see the connection. The one states a hospital has to treat you Wichita will mean the hospital rates will go up. The other forces everyone to buy ins mostly crap ins or fine you. The people who could afford ins loses. ACA is horrible The people who could afford insurance have been losing for over 30 years because of a bill (EMTALA) signed by a Republican president. It was the largest unfunded mandate perpetrated on the American public. It's basic math. The ACA was modeled after the Republican plan in 1993. Yes, this has been an issue for decades. Where were Republicans when President Obama was trying to come up with a solution? Oh yeah, the only thing they were working on was making him a one term president. Good leadership on the Republican side, huh? I'd say if you don't want to be a part of the solution, quit your bitching about it. I prefer to think that the GOP simply doesn't want to change the system. most of their constituency is either elderly or rich, and neither of those groups needs healthcare reform. so, they TALK about replacing the ACA, but really, they just want to fuck everyone that has no insurance, because they will NEVER vote for the GOP, EVER. this is collective retribution. it is punishment. it is perfectly Trumpian, in other words.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 31, 2019 10:57:03 GMT -5
No I dont, but it’s way better than the alternative for the 25 million that access it. Massively better than TrumpCare which can leave you dead. and you keep whining about the deductible. Would you prefer bankruptcy? He pay $100 something a month,, entitled to a phone call,, no need for bankruptcy, from a phone call. $100/month? sorry, but I am not having much sympathy for anyone paying that little.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 31, 2019 10:57:38 GMT -5
Now if you do have a $6000 deductible but a $100,000 hospital stay, you just avoided bankruptcy. Do you get the point yet? And if he doesn’t have the $6k he should follow the Repo-Con recommendation procedure and get a second job. or die. or suffer. those are the GOP options.
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Post by tbop77 on Jul 31, 2019 11:50:55 GMT -5
Now if you do have a $6000 deductible but a $100,000 hospital stay, you just avoided bankruptcy. Do you get the point yet? And if he doesn’t have the $6k he should follow the Repo-Con recommendation procedure and get a second job. Republicans haven't figured out yet that they are paying for it all anyway. That $100k is just passed onto people who have insurance and has been for years. When did they give up on basic math?
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Post by hurley1980 on Jul 31, 2019 11:52:21 GMT -5
It always dumbfounds me that Republicans are fine with our tax dollars paying for police officers and fire fighters, but not doctors. All 3 save lives, but only one is "socialism."
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 31, 2019 12:55:32 GMT -5
Here's Trump's tremendous, beautiful health care plan! Raid Canada's medicine cabinet! You insult us, insult our Prime Minister, call us a national security threat, then want the "socialists" up north to bail you out. Again. The parasite is 10 times bigger than the host, and it won't end well for us. Sod off! The "richest country in the world can't fix its own problems, apparently. We are not responsible for you. -------------------- Concern over this type of move has prompted more than a dozen organizations to urge the Canadian government to safeguard Canada's drug supply. In a letter issued last week, 15 groups representing patients, health professionals, hospitals and pharmacists warned Health Minister Ginette Petitpas Taylor of the potential for increasing drug shortages. The Canadian Pharmacists Association was one of the signatories to that letter, and spokesperson Joelle Walker says her organization has expressed concerns "for a number of months, and even years," about the potential for importation of medications into the U.S., "because our market size is not equipped to supply another market that's 10 times our size. www.cbc.ca/news/world/us-plan-drugs-canada-1.5231405
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 31, 2019 13:04:03 GMT -5
Fix your own steaming shitpile of a healthcare system and leave ours alone! We're already experiencing drug shortages.
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Post by kadee79 on Jul 31, 2019 13:35:08 GMT -5
I totally agree Weltz. They need to get rid of that stupid law/restriction MM got passed so that Medicare can't make deals for cheaper drugs. Things are going to change...and I hope to hell the first change is getting MM out of office.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 31, 2019 14:01:46 GMT -5
I totally agree Weltz. They need to get rid of that stupid law/restriction MM got passed so that Medicare can't make deals for cheaper drugs. Things are going to change...and I hope to hell the first change is getting MM out of office. I wonder what the lobbyists for Big Pharma will say about this. Won't it cut into their profits?
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Post by kadee79 on Jul 31, 2019 14:41:08 GMT -5
I totally agree Weltz. They need to get rid of that stupid law/restriction MM got passed so that Medicare can't make deals for cheaper drugs. Things are going to change...and I hope to hell the first change is getting MM out of office. I wonder what the lobbyists for Big Pharma will say about this. Won't it cut into their profits? All of their CEOs should have their pay cut down to only 3 times the lowest paid employee. Bet that would wake some of them up and they could find all kinds of $$ for profits then.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 31, 2019 23:01:15 GMT -5
Bankruptcy ,, I wrote about my grandson wanting to borrow(Give) $6000, so he could have a medical procedure done, that the Dr. and hospital would not do until the deductible was paid. Don't need bankruptcy if them won't do the procedure in the first place.
Didn’t the taxpayers foot the bill when he went to theVA like he was supposed to in the first place? Yes they did, But that was one of the benefits of being a Marine that serves his Country, Along with the Marines are paying for his college,,
No student loan for him,,, that need forgiven,,,
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 31, 2019 23:04:34 GMT -5
He pay $100 something a month,, entitled to a phone call,, no need for bankruptcy, from a phone call. Please explain how Ramon has an insurance plan that only costs $100 per month. What happens after he makes the phone call? Is it like everyone else and the call yields an appointment? It is more than $100 a month,, when he calls he gets the recording, if this is an emergency, hangup call 911. Entitled to a phone call, is his exact words.
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Post by tallguy on Jul 31, 2019 23:08:31 GMT -5
Please explain how Ramon has an insurance plan that only costs $100 per month. What happens after he makes the phone call? Is it like everyone else and the call yields an appointment? It is more than $100 a month,, when he calls he gets the recording, if this is an emergency, hangup call 911. Entitled to a phone call, is his exact words.
So what you are really saying is that he's an idiot? Okay, I guess.
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Post by dondub on Jul 31, 2019 23:14:47 GMT -5
Didn’t the taxpayers foot the bill when he went to theVA like he was supposed to in the first place? Yes they did, But that was one of the benefits of being a Marine that serves his Country, Along with the Marines are paying for his college,,
No student loan for him,,, that need forgiven,,,
Exactly! And I appreciate his service. So why didn’t he just go to the VA in the first place instead of you creating this phony narrative about ACA deductibles?
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 31, 2019 23:15:07 GMT -5
It is more than $100 a month,, when he calls he gets the recording, if this is an emergency, hangup call 911. Entitled to a phone call, is his exact words.
So what you are really saying is that he's an idiot? Okay, I guess. No what he is saying is the insurance that he pay $100+ a month, is worthless,, but we knew that anyway.
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Post by dondub on Jul 31, 2019 23:18:31 GMT -5
Please explain how Ramon has an insurance plan that only costs $100 per month. What happens after he makes the phone call? Is it like everyone else and the call yields an appointment? It is more than $100 a month,, when he calls he gets the recording, if this is an emergency, hangup call 911. Entitled to a phone call, is his exact words.
You have on numerous occasions mentioned the $100 a month and now it’s not. Make up your mind. And I also sometime get a recording part of which mentions calling 911 if it’s required. So what’s your point or have you just completely failed on both your anti ACA talking points which come from the side of the aisle that have never done a damn thing except watch sick people die?
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 31, 2019 23:21:07 GMT -5
Yes they did, But that was one of the benefits of being a Marine that serves his Country, Along with the Marines are paying for his college,,
No student loan for him,,, that need forgiven,,,
Exactly! And I appreciate his service. So why didn’t he just go to the VA in the first place instead of you creating this phony narrative about ACA deductibles? He had went to the VA, they turned him down the first time saying his injury was not caused by the service, That's when he came to see me, After he talked to me , he dug up paper work related to a blotch surgery, performed by I believe a Marine DR. that he received in Japan. With that paperwork the VA then did the surgery.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 31, 2019 23:24:04 GMT -5
It is more than $100 a month,, when he calls he gets the recording, if this is an emergency, hangup call 911. Entitled to a phone call, is his exact words.
You have on numerous occasions mentioned the $100 a month and now it’s not. Make up your mind. And I also sometime get a recording part of which mentions calling 911 if it’s required. So what’s your point or have you just completely failed on both your anti ACA talking points which come from the side of the aisle that have never done a damn thing except watch sick people die? If you read the post it say $100 something, I don't know the exact amount.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 31, 2019 23:28:31 GMT -5
It is more than $100 a month,, when he calls he gets the recording, if this is an emergency, hangup call 911. Entitled to a phone call, is his exact words.
You have on numerous occasions mentioned the $100 a month and now it’s not. Make up your mind. And I also sometime get a recording part of which mentions calling 911 if it’s required. So what’s your point or have you just completely failed on both your anti ACA talking points which come from the side of the aisle that have never done a damn thing except watch sick people die? Will people die Don, now if they are liberal I visit their grave, you pour a 750 liter of good Scotch on their grave,, I do make sure I filter thru me kidneys first!
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 31, 2019 23:36:32 GMT -5
So what you are really saying is that he's an idiot? Okay, I guess. No what he is saying is the insurance that he pay $100+ a month, is worthless,, but we knew that anyway. if I were paying 100/mo, I would expect nothing. in the US.
in Costa Rica, I would expect free doctor's visits on a regular basis, and medical care when I needed it without a deductible.
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Post by dondub on Jul 31, 2019 23:43:30 GMT -5
Well I’m glad it worked out for him,
But you still evade the point of $6000 deductible versus a $100,000 hospital bill. One might bankrupt the average citizen. The other may seem high but may prevent the banco? Are you pro bankruptcy now?
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