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Post by formerroomate99 on Jul 16, 2019 13:06:17 GMT -5
And nobody seems to be upset about the many Democrats who sucked up to the many sexual predators in Hollywood. Whatever. you seem upset. you're somebody.
you are not alone. I have done quite a few women's marches. trust me. they are upset.
In the 90s, it was well known that Bill Clinton was a serial harasser and possibly a rapist, yet the so called feminist were falling over themselves to defend him. And I’m sure the same people who called me a prude for having a problem with Clinton’s behavior or marching too. Big freaking deal. I find it hard to believe that there would have been a Me Too movement if Hillary Clinton had gotten in. This is an about protecting women from harassment. This is about being upset that your candidate lost. I’m very glad the me too movement happened, though. I just wish it had happened 20 years earlier, when I was being targeted.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 16, 2019 13:13:25 GMT -5
you seem upset. you're somebody.
you are not alone. I have done quite a few women's marches. trust me. they are upset.
In the 90s, it was well known that Bill Clinton was a serial harasser and possibly a rapist, yet the so called feminist were falling over themselves to defend him. And I’m sure the same people who called me a prude for having a problem with Clinton’s behavior or marching too. Big freaking deal. I find it hard to believe that there would have been a Me Too movement if Hillary Clinton had gotten in. This is an about protecting women from harassment. This is about being upset that your candidate lost. I’m very glad the me too movement happened, though. I just wish it had happened 20 years earlier, when I was being targeted. I find it hard to believe that you can make that assertion. the MeToo movement started in 2006.
when did you think it started?
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Post by bean29 on Jul 16, 2019 16:01:03 GMT -5
you seem upset. you're somebody.
you are not alone. I have done quite a few women's marches. trust me. they are upset.
In the 90s, it was well known that Bill Clinton was a serial harasser and possibly a rapist, yet the so called feminist were falling over themselves to defend him. And I’m sure the same people who called me a prude for having a problem with Clinton’s behavior or marching too. Big freaking deal. I find it hard to believe that there would have been a Me Too movement if Hillary Clinton had gotten in. This is an about protecting women from harassment. This is about being upset that your candidate lost. I’m very glad the me too movement happened, though. I just wish it had happened 20 years earlier, when I was being targeted. I don't know, I did not vote for Clinton in 1996. I could not bring myself to vote for someone who had lied under oath. Of course until recent years, I considered myself an Independent Voter. Now, I consider myself to be a Democratic Voter as I don't see myself ever Voting for a R candidate. I may vote for an Independent Candidate in the future, if someone has a strong ticket.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jul 16, 2019 18:59:48 GMT -5
DJ, in 2006, Harvey Weinstein, Matt Lauer, and all the rest were harassing Women to their hearts content, facing no consequences for their actions, and posing for pictures with lots of Democratic politicians. The fact that the Me too movement got started in 2006 Never guaranteed that it would’ve become powerful enough to take these kind of guys down 10 years later.
Like it or not, it wasn’t until a pig who belonged to the wrong political party got into the White House that women started marching and powerful harassers got taken down. Had the wife of a pig gotten in, these guys would have the President of the United States in their back pocket.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 16, 2019 19:38:25 GMT -5
DJ, in 2006, Harvey Weinstein, Matt Lauer, and all the rest were harassing Women to their hearts content, facing no consequences for their actions, and posing for pictures with lots of Democratic politicians. The fact that the Me too movement got started in 2006 Never guaranteed that it would’ve become powerful enough to take these kind of guys down 10 years later. Like it or not, it wasn’t until a pig who belonged to the wrong political party got into the White House that women started marching and powerful harassers got taken down. I am just saying Hillary Clinton had nothing to do with it, frm.
this was "coming" for a long time. your post only validates that opinion.
why would you think I would "like it"? I don't like any of it. when I first found out that upwards of 90% of women were sexually harassed or assaulted at some point in their lives (according to multiple surveys), I was so horrified that I simply sat home and read about it until I felt like I understood the problem. then I spent a year training and then volunteering to give free sexual harassment training to juvenile hall detainees. if every man in the US did the same, there would BE NO ISSUE. it would go away. but (many) men seem to think it is their divine right to treat women badly, and I find it profoundly sickening.
I am sure you were just making a turn of phrase. but really, now. come on.
once you become conscious of the issue, it is difficult to ignore. that is what is going on NOW. is that consciousness Trump's fault? of course not. is it Biden's? no. they grew up when there was no social consciousness of these issues.
but here is my point: they are still not growing up. they need to spend the six months I did, imo. if they don't, I have even less respect for them than I do already.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jul 17, 2019 14:53:30 GMT -5
Yes DJ this reckoning has been a long time coming. People have been fighting for women’s rights since before we were born. What has changed since 2016 is the level of support from both the press and from certain lawmakers. . The same people who kept a serial harasser in the White House in the 90s are out marching today. The same reporters who covered up Bill Clintons past missdeeds are now repeating every rumor they hear. It’s easy to see why. And it isn’t because a lot of people changed their minds. Getting on the “sexual-harassment is bad” bandwagon is politically expedient when the pig in the White House belongs to the other party. This is where a lot of the energy of the Me Too movement is coming from. And you also have the genuine rage that an experienced woman was beat by an inexperienced man. They wouldn’t of had this if Hillary Clinton had gotten in.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 18, 2019 0:17:22 GMT -5
Yes DJ this reckoning has been a long time coming. People have been fighting for women’s rights since before we were born. What has changed since 2016 is the level of support from both the press and from certain lawmakers. . The same people who kept a serial harasser in the White House in the 90s are out marching today. The same reporters who covered up Bill Clintons past missdeeds are now repeating every rumor they hear. It’s easy to see why. And it isn’t because a lot of people changed their minds. Getting on the “sexual-harassment is bad” bandwagon is politically expedient when the pig in the White House belongs to the other party. This is where a lot of the energy of the Me Too movement is coming from. And you also have the genuine rage that an experienced woman was beat by an inexperienced man. They wouldn’t of had this if Hillary Clinton had gotten in. see, I don't see it that way.
I see this as a progression. this is not like bell bottoms coming back. it is not just a fashionable thing. this is for keeps. women are going to get their voices on this issue heard.
I think some of it started with Anita Hill. she got beaten down. defeated. the man she accused is still sitting on the SCOTUS. each little wave after that has furthered the effort. and now what we see is a fully developed, vocal movement on the part of women on this issue.
but again, I don't think it has that much to do with Trump. he is just the latest goon on display. if it were Biden in the office, he would be getting it, too.
I suspect you don't believe that. I don't really care. I believe it. and that is all that matters to me at the end of the day.
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 18, 2019 9:56:34 GMT -5
Yes DJ this reckoning has been a long time coming. People have been fighting for women’s rights since before we were born. What has changed since 2016 is the level of support from both the press and from certain lawmakers. . The same people who kept a serial harasser in the White House in the 90s are out marching today. The same reporters who covered up Bill Clintons past missdeeds are now repeating every rumor they hear. It’s easy to see why. And it isn’t because a lot of people changed their minds. Getting on the “sexual-harassment is bad” bandwagon is politically expedient when the pig in the White House belongs to the other party. This is where a lot of the energy of the Me Too movement is coming from. And you also have the genuine rage that an experienced woman was beat by an inexperienced man. They wouldn’t of had this if Hillary Clinton had gotten in.
I would have to go back and look, but my memories of the Clinton era was that he had serial affairs with adult women who consented. Monica Lewinsky wasn't raped, she willingly participated in some WH adultery. I have a dim view of adultery, but when it's between consenting adults, that's between the two spouses. I always thought Hillary should have divorced Clinton over the infidelity, but that was between them. I know there was that one woman who claimed she was raped, but her story changed multiple times - sometimes it was consensual, sometimes she claimed it wasn't. Given his behavior with other 'girlfriends' I thought it was more likely than not that he thought it was consensual, while she maybe felt she was obligated to participate. Sure, slimy behavior, and he did lie about what he did to Congress to try to cover his tracks and not embarrass his wife - but not on the same predatory level as someone like Weinstein, who lured women to his hotel room and launched himself at them when he got them alone, threatening their careers if they were to say anything about it.
The MeToo movement, to me, is all about calling out men who prey on children, or men who rape or grope women and try to blackmail them with threats against their careers or reputations, or try to buy the silence of their victims. Men who thought they were too powerful or too rich to ever get called out on their behavior. Clinton as a serial adulterer isn't quite there - but if there is proof he's Epstein's party buddy, he's fucked. Hopefully there won't be a single person, dem or GOP, who disagrees with that.
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Post by laterbloomer on Jul 18, 2019 10:04:42 GMT -5
Yes DJ this reckoning has been a long time coming. People have been fighting for women’s rights since before we were born. What has changed since 2016 is the level of support from both the press and from certain lawmakers. . The same people who kept a serial harasser in the White House in the 90s are out marching today. The same reporters who covered up Bill Clintons past missdeeds are now repeating every rumor they hear. It’s easy to see why. And it isn’t because a lot of people changed their minds. Getting on the “sexual-harassment is bad” bandwagon is politically expedient when the pig in the White House belongs to the other party. This is where a lot of the energy of the Me Too movement is coming from. And you also have the genuine rage that an experienced woman was beat by an inexperienced man. They wouldn’t of had this if Hillary Clinton had gotten in.
I would have to go back and look, but my memories of the Clinton era was that he had serial affairs with adult women who consented. Monica Lewinsky wasn't raped, she willingly participated in some WH adultery. I have a dim view of adultery, but when it's between consenting adults, that's between the two spouses. I always thought Hillary should have divorced Clinton over the infidelity, but that was between them. I know there was that one woman who claimed she was raped, but her story changed multiple times - sometimes it was consensual, sometimes she claimed it wasn't. Given his behavior with other 'girlfriends' I thought it was more likely than not that he thought it was consensual, while she maybe felt she was obligated to participate. Sure, slimy behavior, and he did lie about what he did to Congress to try to cover his tracks and not embarrass his wife - but not on the same predatory level as someone like Weinstein, who lured women to his hotel room and launched himself at them when he got them alone, threatening their careers if they were to say anything about it.
The MeToo movement, to me, is all about calling out men who prey on children, or men who rape or grope women and try to blackmail them with threats against their careers or reputations, or try to buy the silence of their victims. Men who thought they were too powerful or too rich to ever get called out on their behavior. Clinton as a serial adulterer isn't quite there - but if there is proof he's Epstein's party buddy, he's fucked. Hopefully there won't be a single person, dem or GOP, who disagrees with that.
Monica's abuse happened after the fact when the Clinton machine went after her to try to cover things up. That was really despicable.
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Post by bean29 on Jul 18, 2019 10:11:27 GMT -5
Yes DJ this reckoning has been a long time coming. People have been fighting for women’s rights since before we were born. What has changed since 2016 is the level of support from both the press and from certain lawmakers. . The same people who kept a serial harasser in the White House in the 90s are out marching today. The same reporters who covered up Bill Clintons past missdeeds are now repeating every rumor they hear. It’s easy to see why. And it isn’t because a lot of people changed their minds. Getting on the “sexual-harassment is bad” bandwagon is politically expedient when the pig in the White House belongs to the other party. This is where a lot of the energy of the Me Too movement is coming from. And you also have the genuine rage that an experienced woman was beat by an inexperienced man. They wouldn’t of had this if Hillary Clinton had gotten in.
I would have to go back and look, but my memories of the Clinton era was that he had serial affairs with adult women who consented. Monica Lewinsky wasn't raped, she willingly participated in some WH adultery. I have a dim view of adultery, but when it's between consenting adults, that's between the two spouses. I always thought Hillary should have divorced Clinton over the infidelity, but that was between them. I know there was that one woman who claimed she was raped, but her story changed multiple times - sometimes it was consensual, sometimes she claimed it wasn't. Given his behavior with other 'girlfriends' I thought it was more likely than not that he thought it was consensual, while she maybe felt she was obligated to participate. Sure, slimy behavior, and he did lie about what he did to Congress to try to cover his tracks and not embarrass his wife - but not on the same predatory level as someone like Weinstein, who lured women to his hotel room and launched himself at them when he got them alone, threatening their careers if they were to say anything about it.
The MeToo movement, to me, is all about calling out men who prey on children, or men who rape or grope women and try to blackmail them with threats against their careers or reputations, or try to buy the silence of their victims. Men who thought they were too powerful or too rich to ever get called out on their behavior. Clinton as a serial adulterer isn't quite there - but if there is proof he's Epstein's party buddy, he's fucked. Hopefully there won't be a single person, dem or GOP, who disagrees with that.
The rumblings are that there are numerous Politicians and World Leaders that were Epstein's "Party Buddies" - hence the motivation to shut down the investigation. I don't think they will be able to shut it down though. I have always been disgusted about the thought of older men with underage girls. It especially crystalized for me when my own daughter was a teenager. The thought of some Man my DH's age thinking they had the right to have a relationship with someone my daughter's age was just revolting to me. I do think thought that Men feel that this is their "right" if they are successful, and Women find it offensive.
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 18, 2019 10:28:22 GMT -5
I would have to go back and look, but my memories of the Clinton era was that he had serial affairs with adult women who consented. Monica Lewinsky wasn't raped, she willingly participated in some WH adultery. I have a dim view of adultery, but when it's between consenting adults, that's between the two spouses. I always thought Hillary should have divorced Clinton over the infidelity, but that was between them. I know there was that one woman who claimed she was raped, but her story changed multiple times - sometimes it was consensual, sometimes she claimed it wasn't. Given his behavior with other 'girlfriends' I thought it was more likely than not that he thought it was consensual, while she maybe felt she was obligated to participate. Sure, slimy behavior, and he did lie about what he did to Congress to try to cover his tracks and not embarrass his wife - but not on the same predatory level as someone like Weinstein, who lured women to his hotel room and launched himself at them when he got them alone, threatening their careers if they were to say anything about it.
The MeToo movement, to me, is all about calling out men who prey on children, or men who rape or grope women and try to blackmail them with threats against their careers or reputations, or try to buy the silence of their victims. Men who thought they were too powerful or too rich to ever get called out on their behavior. Clinton as a serial adulterer isn't quite there - but if there is proof he's Epstein's party buddy, he's fucked. Hopefully there won't be a single person, dem or GOP, who disagrees with that.
The rumblings are that there are numerous Politicians and World Leaders that were Epstein's "Party Buddies" - hence the motivation to shut down the investigation. I don't think they will be able to shut it down though. I have always been disgusted about the thought of older men with underage girls. It especially crystalized for me when my own daughter was a teenager. The thought of some Man my DH's age thinking they had the right to have a relationship with someone my daughter's age was just revolting to me. I do think thought that Men feel that this is their "right" if they are successful, and Women find it offensive. I heard this Am that they collected many videos when they raided Epstein's place - and also that they are investigating whether some of Epstein's great wealth came from blackmailing wealthy men who participated in his pre-teen orgies with him.
I hope they watch all the videos and nail every guy on there abusing young girls. Bill Cosby blew up, Matt Lauer blew up, Weinstein blew up - hopefully we're getting to the point where no one is so rich or so powerful (or such a beloved American figure, in the case of Cosby) they can't behave like this and get away with it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 18, 2019 10:41:57 GMT -5
I would have to go back and look, but my memories of the Clinton era was that he had serial affairs with adult women who consented. Monica Lewinsky wasn't raped, she willingly participated in some WH adultery. I have a dim view of adultery, but when it's between consenting adults, that's between the two spouses. I always thought Hillary should have divorced Clinton over the infidelity, but that was between them. I know there was that one woman who claimed she was raped, but her story changed multiple times - sometimes it was consensual, sometimes she claimed it wasn't. Given his behavior with other 'girlfriends' I thought it was more likely than not that he thought it was consensual, while she maybe felt she was obligated to participate. Sure, slimy behavior, and he did lie about what he did to Congress to try to cover his tracks and not embarrass his wife - but not on the same predatory level as someone like Weinstein, who lured women to his hotel room and launched himself at them when he got them alone, threatening their careers if they were to say anything about it.
The MeToo movement, to me, is all about calling out men who prey on children, or men who rape or grope women and try to blackmail them with threats against their careers or reputations, or try to buy the silence of their victims. Men who thought they were too powerful or too rich to ever get called out on their behavior. Clinton as a serial adulterer isn't quite there - but if there is proof he's Epstein's party buddy, he's fucked. Hopefully there won't be a single person, dem or GOP, who disagrees with that.
Monica's abuse happened after the fact when the Clinton machine went after her to try to cover things up. That was really despicable. it was. but it doesn't fall neatly into the MeToo movement.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 18, 2019 13:16:05 GMT -5
I think that sexuality is a very tricky issue that our society doesn't make any easier for human beings growing up it. Something was said in a recent conversation I was having concerning racial issues that I think is germane to sexuality as well. It was, "You are not responsible for your first thought. You are responsible for your second and for your actions." A personal example: My experience shows me I am not by nature, and/or brain chemistry, and/or social training monogamous. However, I have made an agreement with someone that I will behavior in that manner. So when I attracted and tempted, I just keep it in my head. I might let it play out mentally or just roll my eyes at myself and laugh about it. And I don't beat myself up over it. I do think that it is fair to have some sexual behaviors that we, as a society, rule are not acceptable and for us to punish those who engage in those behaviors.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jul 22, 2019 13:16:24 GMT -5
Yes DJ this reckoning has been a long time coming. People have been fighting for women’s rights since before we were born. What has changed since 2016 is the level of support from both the press and from certain lawmakers. . The same people who kept a serial harasser in the White House in the 90s are out marching today. The same reporters who covered up Bill Clintons past missdeeds are now repeating every rumor they hear. It’s easy to see why. And it isn’t because a lot of people changed their minds. Getting on the “sexual-harassment is bad” bandwagon is politically expedient when the pig in the White House belongs to the other party. This is where a lot of the energy of the Me Too movement is coming from. And you also have the genuine rage that an experienced woman was beat by an inexperienced man. They wouldn’t of had this if Hillary Clinton had gotten in.
I would have to go back and look, but my memories of the Clinton era was that he had serial affairs with adult women who consented. Monica Lewinsky wasn't raped, she willingly participated in some WH adultery. I have a dim view of adultery, but when it's between consenting adults, that's between the two spouses. I always thought Hillary should have divorced Clinton over the infidelity, but that was between them. I know there was that one woman who claimed she was raped, but her story changed multiple times - sometimes it was consensual, sometimes she claimed it wasn't. Given his behavior with other 'girlfriends' I thought it was more likely than not that he thought it was consensual, while she maybe felt she was obligated to participate. Sure, slimy behavior, and he did lie about what he did to Congress to try to cover his tracks and not embarrass his wife - but not on the same predatory level as someone like Weinstein, who lured women to his hotel room and launched himself at them when he got them alone, threatening their careers if they were to say anything about it.
The MeToo movement, to me, is all about calling out men who prey on children, or men who rape or grope women and try to blackmail them with threats against their careers or reputations, or try to buy the silence of their victims. Men who thought they were too powerful or too rich to ever get called out on their behavior. Clinton as a serial adulterer isn't quite there - but if there is proof he's Epstein's party buddy, he's fucked. Hopefully there won't be a single person, dem or GOP, who disagrees with that.
I’m not talking about Monica Lewinsky and you know it. Multiple women have accused Bill Clinton of harassment and rape Many were initially silenced by threats to their careers and reputations. The left didn’t give a shit about these women because Bill Clinton was their guy. And as recently as 2016, their nominee with someone who got where she was by protecting a harasser.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 22, 2019 13:54:23 GMT -5
I think that sexuality is a very tricky issue that our society doesn't make any easier for human beings growing up it. Something was said in a recent conversation I was having concerning racial issues that I think is germane to sexuality as well. It was, "You are not responsible for your first thought. You are responsible for your second and for your actions." A personal example: My experience shows me I am not by nature, and/or brain chemistry, and/or social training monogamous. However, I have made an agreement with someone that I will behavior in that manner. So when I attracted and tempted, I just keep it in my head. I might let it play out mentally or just roll my eyes at myself and laugh about it. And I don't beat myself up over it. I do think that it is fair to have some sexual behaviors that we, as a society, rule are not acceptable and for us to punish those who engage in those behaviors.
I think Americans don't talk enough about this stuff. I also think we are excessively prudish.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 22, 2019 13:56:16 GMT -5
I would have to go back and look, but my memories of the Clinton era was that he had serial affairs with adult women who consented. Monica Lewinsky wasn't raped, she willingly participated in some WH adultery. I have a dim view of adultery, but when it's between consenting adults, that's between the two spouses. I always thought Hillary should have divorced Clinton over the infidelity, but that was between them. I know there was that one woman who claimed she was raped, but her story changed multiple times - sometimes it was consensual, sometimes she claimed it wasn't. Given his behavior with other 'girlfriends' I thought it was more likely than not that he thought it was consensual, while she maybe felt she was obligated to participate. Sure, slimy behavior, and he did lie about what he did to Congress to try to cover his tracks and not embarrass his wife - but not on the same predatory level as someone like Weinstein, who lured women to his hotel room and launched himself at them when he got them alone, threatening their careers if they were to say anything about it.
The MeToo movement, to me, is all about calling out men who prey on children, or men who rape or grope women and try to blackmail them with threats against their careers or reputations, or try to buy the silence of their victims. Men who thought they were too powerful or too rich to ever get called out on their behavior. Clinton as a serial adulterer isn't quite there - but if there is proof he's Epstein's party buddy, he's fucked. Hopefully there won't be a single person, dem or GOP, who disagrees with that.
I’m not talking about Monica Lewinsky and you know it. Multiple women have accused Bill Clinton of harassment and rape Many were initially silenced by threats to their careers and reputations. The left didn’t give a shit about these women because Bill Clinton was their guy. And as recently as 2016, their nominee with someone who got where she was by protecting a harasser. I wouldn't be so quick to say who knows what, frm. ie, I didn't know who you were talking about, and I still don't. it doesn't mean I ignored it. i just was focused on my businesses in the 90's, not Clinton and his antics.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 22, 2019 15:55:17 GMT -5
I think that sexuality is a very tricky issue that our society doesn't make any easier for human beings growing up it. Something was said in a recent conversation I was having concerning racial issues that I think is germane to sexuality as well. It was, "You are not responsible for your first thought. You are responsible for your second and for your actions." A personal example: My experience shows me I am not by nature, and/or brain chemistry, and/or social training monogamous. However, I have made an agreement with someone that I will behavior in that manner. So when I attracted and tempted, I just keep it in my head. I might let it play out mentally or just roll my eyes at myself and laugh about it. And I don't beat myself up over it. I do think that it is fair to have some sexual behaviors that we, as a society, rule are not acceptable and for us to punish those who engage in those behaviors.
I think Americans don't talk enough about this stuff. I also think we are excessively prudish.
#FREETHENIPPLE
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All listed should be invited to the presidential debates. Front row seats.
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 22, 2019 17:58:39 GMT -5
I would have to go back and look, but my memories of the Clinton era was that he had serial affairs with adult women who consented. Monica Lewinsky wasn't raped, she willingly participated in some WH adultery. I have a dim view of adultery, but when it's between consenting adults, that's between the two spouses. I always thought Hillary should have divorced Clinton over the infidelity, but that was between them. I know there was that one woman who claimed she was raped, but her story changed multiple times - sometimes it was consensual, sometimes she claimed it wasn't. Given his behavior with other 'girlfriends' I thought it was more likely than not that he thought it was consensual, while she maybe felt she was obligated to participate. Sure, slimy behavior, and he did lie about what he did to Congress to try to cover his tracks and not embarrass his wife - but not on the same predatory level as someone like Weinstein, who lured women to his hotel room and launched himself at them when he got them alone, threatening their careers if they were to say anything about it.
The MeToo movement, to me, is all about calling out men who prey on children, or men who rape or grope women and try to blackmail them with threats against their careers or reputations, or try to buy the silence of their victims. Men who thought they were too powerful or too rich to ever get called out on their behavior. Clinton as a serial adulterer isn't quite there - but if there is proof he's Epstein's party buddy, he's fucked. Hopefully there won't be a single person, dem or GOP, who disagrees with that.
I’m not talking about Monica Lewinsky and you know it. Multiple women have accused Bill Clinton of harassment and rape Many were initially silenced by threats to their careers and reputations. The left didn’t give a shit about these women because Bill Clinton was their guy. And as recently as 2016, their nominee with someone who got where she was by protecting a harasser. No actually, I thought you were talking about that 'one woman who accused him of rape' - about Juanita Broaddrick (I had to go look her up), who says Clinton raped her during his 1978 campaign for governor. In my memory, all the other allegations against Clinton were that he had consensual sex outside of marriage (like with Monica), and that he was sometimes too handsy, or said sexually harassing things. My memory could be wrong, though.
Broaddrick's story is believable, but she damaged it by first signing an affidavit saying she never had an nonconsensual or unwelcome sexual advance by Mr Clinton. Later on, she filed another affidavit saying the assault DID happen. It's possible she had consensual sex with him, then denied it because she didn't want her boyfriend or his husband to find out about it. It's also possible she was actually raped - there were no witnesses, no one them going in or out of the room, it's just he said/she said, unfortunately.
And I'm not defending Clinton's pervy behavior. It's unfortunate that it wasn't taken more seriously at the time, but lots of women (including Anita Hill) ran into the same problem being believed. Hopefully we're moving into a more enlightened era where women are taken more seriously and men are outed more often.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 10, 2019 9:24:03 GMT -5
Yup. Epstein joins the long list of Clinton killings including, Rasputin, Julius Ceasar, Jeffrey Dahmer, Bonnie and Clyde, and other notables.
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 10, 2019 10:10:53 GMT -5
The issue isn't that Epstein gave money to a political party. ‘I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.’ - Donald Trump, 2002” The quote is from a 2002 New York Magazine profile of Epstein. (emphasis added)
www.haaretz.com/us-news/trump-praised-terrific-guy-epstein-who-likes-women-on-the-younger-side-1.7453257 It is about who enjoyed hanging out with him and why that might have been the case. I'm sure Bill Clinton did not have sex with any underaged girls when he traveled aboard Democrat Pedophile Jeffrey Epstein's private jet dubbed the "Lolita Express" to the private island nicknamed, "Orgy Island" on the 26 occasions he did so. I'm telling you-- this is a VERY big deal- and it is NOT going to end well for Democrats. You can cling to Trump's effusive praise, which he is known for with just about everyone, for a guy he knew on the periphery of New York billionaire circles if it makes you feel better- but Epstein is a Democrat. He donated to Democrats. He was kept out of prison and off sex offender registries by Democrats, and Democrats like Bill Clinton are the ones all up Epstein's ass. I don't care the politics of his cohorts. I want them all convicted and let the chips fall.
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Post by kadee79 on Aug 10, 2019 11:10:09 GMT -5
I'm sure Bill Clinton did not have sex with any underaged girls when he traveled aboard Democrat Pedophile Jeffrey Epstein's private jet dubbed the "Lolita Express" to the private island nicknamed, "Orgy Island" on the 26 occasions he did so. I'm telling you-- this is a VERY big deal- and it is NOT going to end well for Democrats. You can cling to Trump's effusive praise, which he is known for with just about everyone, for a guy he knew on the periphery of New York billionaire circles if it makes you feel better- but Epstein is a Democrat. He donated to Democrats. He was kept out of prison and off sex offender registries by Democrats, and Democrats like Bill Clinton are the ones all up Epstein's ass. Yes, and all of DT's children were registered democrats too....in fact, they forgot to change their registrations in time for the primary so they could vote for dear old dad....who couldn't even find his polling place. And how much did DT donate to the Clintons or democrats over the years....he did INSIST that Bill & Hillary attend his wedding to Melania.
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Post by MN-Investor on Aug 10, 2019 13:05:56 GMT -5
Best tweet of the day: Who gave Jeffrey Epstein video games?
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 10, 2019 20:08:26 GMT -5
Just because Michael Cohen is now in prison doesn't mean trump didn't pay someone to pay someone to kill Epstein in prison. As trump has often said, "I know many people."
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Aug 10, 2019 22:16:13 GMT -5
Someone on FB commented that this had a whiff of Russia’s modus operandi.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 12, 2019 14:13:16 GMT -5
The deflections are entertaining. This alleged suicide will not matter. Rae Chandler is talking, and Maxwell appears ready to sing as well.
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