Don't call it a burger

[djAdvocate]

Jul 9, 2019 14:14:23 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Jul 9, 2019 12:30:16 GMT -5 @x said:

What would you call a regular meat burger with a lot of veggies on it ?

Not trying to be smart ass, but a local family restaurant by me has a meat hamburger loaded with veggies, and they call it a veggie burger.

That description would be the most indicative of what it is. 

Veggies + Burger ?

I would call that a burger with veggies, but I see where you are coming from, as a bacon burger is a burger with bacon, and a cheeseburger is a burger with cheese. But, the term veggie burger, meaning a vegetarian patty on a hamburger bun, has been around for a long, long time. More than 25 years ago, I would go to many different places that had it as an option, including some chain restaurants. I think the common usage will steamroll that one little mom and pop shop, unless the government puts a bunch of regulations on which phrases can be used and how. I thought we were doing away with regulations, but whatever.

moreover, it didn't create confusion 25 years ago, except maybe for an instant. 

[Tiny]

Hmmm.  How come the dairy lobby hasn't shut down all the non-diary milks from using "milk"   you know coconut milk, almond milk,rice milk, oatmeal milk and soy milk..      I would think there's a lot of consumer confusion with those products   Heck my box of Jello Pudding specifically states not to use soy milk.   And then there's the potential for confusion if you are trying to get calcium and vitamin D everyday from the "milk" you are splashing on your cereal and into your coffee (or tea).    


So, what does one call a "Salmon burger" or a "Tuna Burger" or a "Chicken burger"  or a "Turkey Burger" if you can't use "burger" cause it's not cow (or pork or lamb)?     (Italian sausage (which might have pork in it) de-cased and formed into a burger is pretty damn tasty on a bun.   Is it now an Italian Pattie?   Seasoned ground beef and lamb combined  and made into a burger is pretty damn tasty too.... (think gyro "meat" in the form of a burger...)   Is my homemade "Chi Wapi" Burger gonna have to be called a "Chi Wapi" pattie?    

What am I gonna have to call my favorite store bought or butcher bought  Chicken Sausages?    

And if it's ok to prefacing the "burger" part with WHAT it's made of anyway (chickian, italian sausage, "chi wapi" ) - how is it confusing to use "Veggie" infront of burger     Do people not understand what "veggie" might mean when served as a "burger" 

 

[djAdvocate]

Jul 9, 2019 15:18:23 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Hmmm.  How come the dairy lobby hasn't shut down all the non-diary milks from using "milk"   you know coconut milk, almond milk,rice milk, oatmeal milk and soy milk..      

 

oh, trust me. they absolutely did TRY to do that.

and candidly, they had a better case.

milk is something mammals produce.

but burgers?  they are produced by the residents of Hamburg.

it is not really a thing.  it has no OTHER meaning.

therefore, fighting for this euphemism is just...well, silly.

[Tiny]

And don't "burgers" of anysort usually come with what they are made out of?  Like 100% beef or  100% venison 'burger"?  or made with ground Turkey and whatever else is added to it?   

Maybe I'm a bit of a burger connoisseur -   unless I'm eating at Wendy's (I loathe McDonalds) I don't really wonder exactly what's in the burger I'm eating (I assume there's something that came off a cow (or pig) carcass  and who knows what else in the fast food chain burgers).    If I'm dining Fast Casual - I'd expect the menu to tell me what's in the Burger I'm ordering since I'm sitting down and/or seeing a menu with alot of verbage on it.  So a 100% Angus Beef Burger   or a Turkey with a blend of spices (and probably some "filler" egg? grain?  to hold it together)  or Bean Burger (with a list of spices and beans/binders that were used).     

I don't get what the big deal is - 'burger' just means a "pattie" shaped something served on a round split bun.   The menu (or name of the entree)  usually tells you what's in the 'burger' part of the meal. 

[djAdvocate]

Jul 9, 2019 15:31:47 GMT -5 Tiny said:

And don't "burgers" of anysort usually come with what they are made out of?  Like 100% beef or  100% venison 'burger"?  or made with ground Turkey and whatever else is added to it?   

I think Turkey Burger is your best case, honestly.

does ANYONE think that Turkey Burger means "a burger with Turkey on it"?

how is that LESS confusing than Veggie Burger?

they are going to lose this, if it goes to court.

and it probably will.

[Tiny]

Jul 9, 2019 15:33:08 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jul 9, 2019 15:31:47 GMT -5 Tiny said:

And don't "burgers" of anysort usually come with what they are made out of?  Like 100% beef or  100% venison 'burger"?  or made with ground Turkey and whatever else is added to it?   

I think Turkey Burger is your best case, honestly.

does ANYONE think that Turkey Burger means "a burger with Turkey on it"?

how is that LESS confusing than Veggie Burger?

they are going to lose this, if it goes to court.

and it probably will.

Yeah, when Venison burgers were a thing, we were calling them Bambi Burgers (because no one used the word venison - it was deer.... ). Some of the local restaurants still offer Buffalo Burgers. That's confusing since there are Buffalo Wings... not sure if a Buffalo Burger would be made out of Buffalo OR just be meat with that twangy hot "buffalo sauce"....

[kadee79]

Well, they are all patties no matter what they are called! 

[weltschmerz]

Jul 9, 2019 15:36:40 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Jul 9, 2019 15:33:08 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

I think Turkey Burger is your best case, honestly.

does ANYONE think that Turkey Burger means "a burger with Turkey on it"?

how is that LESS confusing than Veggie Burger?

they are going to lose this, if it goes to court.

and it probably will.

Yeah, when Venison burgers were a thing, we were calling them Bambi Burgers (because no one used the word venison - it was deer.... ). Some of the local restaurants still offer Buffalo Burgers. That's confusing since there are Buffalo Wings... not sure if a Buffalo Burger would be made out of Buffalo OR just be meat with that twangy hot "buffalo sauce"....

I've seen Buffalo burgers, Ostrich burgers and even Camel burgers in the grocery stores.

[NastyWoman]

Next question: if people in Mississippi get confused by using the words veggie burger, do they understand that the meat in the form of a tube is not really dog meat (be it hot or cold)? 

[thyme4change]

All this talk, we went out for burgers tonight. I had my choice of ground beef, ground chicken, ground turkey or veggie. I could apply that to any of the burgers on the menu, with the variety of cheeses and toppings. This is a sports bar - not some new age feel goodiery restaurant.

[NoNamePerson]

Jul 9, 2019 17:56:16 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Jul 9, 2019 15:36:40 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Yeah, when Venison burgers were a thing, we were calling them Bambi Burgers (because no one used the word venison - it was deer.... ). Some of the local restaurants still offer Buffalo Burgers. That's confusing since there are Buffalo Wings... not sure if a Buffalo Burger would be made out of Buffalo OR just be meat with that twangy hot "buffalo sauce"....

I've seen Buffalo burgers, Ostrich burgers and even Camel burgers in the grocery stores.

We have buffalo meat sold in meat department packaged just like ground beef. not in burger form tho - just ground up buffalo meat. It may come in burger form in freezer section like those jennie somebody turkey burgers maybe? Not a meat eater so this may have changed since I don't check out that department anymore.

[Deleted]

Jul 9, 2019 14:14:23 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Jul 9, 2019 12:30:16 GMT -5 @x said:

What would you call a regular meat burger with a lot of veggies on it ?

Not trying to be smart ass, but a local family restaurant by me has a meat hamburger loaded with veggies, and they call it a veggie burger.

That description would be the most indicative of what it is. 

Veggies + Burger ?

I would call that a burger with veggies, but I see where you are coming from, as a bacon burger is a burger with bacon, and a cheeseburger is a burger with cheese. But, the term veggie burger, meaning a vegetarian patty on a hamburger bun, has been around for a long, long time. More than 25 years ago, I would go to many different places that had it as an option, including some chain restaurants. I think the common usage will steamroll that one little mom and pop shop, unless the government puts a bunch of regulations on which phrases can be used and how. I thought we were doing away with regulations, I agree but whatever.

That's exactly what I was thinking in regards to cheeseburger, baconburger, etc.

I think that those kind of regulations are somewhat idiotic, with all the real problems that need taking care of. 

I mean really, a regulation on what to name food ?

[Deleted]

Jul 9, 2019 17:56:52 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Next question: if people in Mississippi get confused by using the words veggie burger, do they understand that the meat in the form of a tube is not really dog meat (be it hot or cold)? 

That would of been hugely funny if you didn't have to slam somebody. 

[Deleted]

Jul 9, 2019 14:19:21 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jul 9, 2019 12:30:16 GMT -5 @x said:

What would you call a regular meat burger with a lot of veggies on it ?

a burger with the works.

anticipating your next question- a veggie burger with a lot of veggies on it would be "a veggie burger with the works".

Ok, that's funny too ! 

This is one of those conversations that can go on forever, lol. 

[Deleted]

What about 100% pure beef hamburgers ?

I live down south and I'm confused by this. 

I actually do live down south so I can do this.

[chiver78]

Jul 8, 2019 16:09:14 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Jul 8, 2019 16:03:08 GMT -5 @aj said:

Well yeah, and the veggie burger option contributes to exactly that.

Fine, if you like eating all those chemicals...I don't!
As I said before, I'm not a big meat eater anyway...but I'm not going to fill my body with glyphosate when I can avoid it.

there are ways to make veggie burgers that don't involve chemicals.....it involves actual vegetables. 

[thyme4change]

Jul 10, 2019 7:26:34 GMT -5 NoNamePerson said:

Jul 9, 2019 17:56:16 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

I've seen Buffalo burgers, Ostrich burgers and even Camel burgers in the grocery stores.

We have buffalo meat sold in meat department packaged just like ground beef. not in burger form tho - just ground up buffalo meat. It may come in burger form in freezer section like those jennie somebody turkey burgers maybe? Not a meat eater so this may have changed since I don't check out that department anymore.

I have a pound of ground buffalo meat in my freezer because I grabbed it instead of beef. So, confusion happens.

The reality is, nut and soy milks have taken a big bite out of the cow milk business. The beef council is lobbying hard to make meat substitutes as hard to market as possible. This isn't about confusion, or the consumer. It is about maintaining market share.

[NoNamePerson]

Jul 10, 2019 9:25:32 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Jul 10, 2019 7:26:34 GMT -5 NoNamePerson said:

We have buffalo meat sold in meat department packaged just like ground beef. not in burger form tho - just ground up buffalo meat. It may come in burger form in freezer section like those jennie somebody turkey burgers maybe? Not a meat eater so this may have changed since I don't check out that department anymore.

I have a pound of ground buffalo meat in my freezer because I grabbed it instead of beef. So, confusion happens.

The reality is, nut and soy milks have taken a big bite out of the cow milk business. The beef council is lobbying hard to make meat substitutes as hard to market as possible. This isn't about confusion, or the consumer. It is about maintaining market share.

I can see where that could happen. The store here that carries it has it in what I would call a "small end" cooler separate from regular meat section. I think that might help cut down on confusion but if in a hurry I see where someone could pick it up. 

I misspoke when I said it was in the meat department. The small end cooler seemed to carry "specialty items" but I agree with your quote. 

[djAdvocate]

Jul 10, 2019 8:39:21 GMT -5 @x said:

What about 100% pure beef hamburgers ?

I live down south and I'm confused by this. 

I actually do live down south so I can do this.

it's just gilding the lily, imo

[ArchietheDragon]

Earlier this summer I asked my 5 year old son if he wanted a cheeseburger and he said, No.  He just wanted the regular one made out of ham. 

[thyme4change]

Jul 10, 2019 10:47:08 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

Earlier this summer I asked my 5 year old son if he wanted a cheeseburger and he said, No.  He just wanted the regular one made out of ham. 

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I once asked my son if he wanted a grilled cheese sandwich and he replied that because he was a boy he needed a boy'd cheese sandwich. That was like 12 years ago and we still call them boy'd cheese sandwiches.

[Deleted]

Jul 10, 2019 9:25:32 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Jul 10, 2019 7:26:34 GMT -5 NoNamePerson said:

We have buffalo meat sold in meat department packaged just like ground beef. not in burger form tho - just ground up buffalo meat. It may come in burger form in freezer section like those jennie somebody turkey burgers maybe? Not a meat eater so this may have changed since I don't check out that department anymore.

I have a pound of ground buffalo meat in my freezer because I grabbed it instead of beef. So, confusion happens.

The reality is, nut and soy milks have taken a big bite out of the cow milk business. The beef council is lobbying hard to make meat substitutes as hard to market as possible. This isn't about confusion, or the consumer. It is about maintaining market share.

Agreed.

I would think they are trying to stop other products from using the longtime base description of their product. (milk)

Not really that unreasonable when you think about it.  

The nut and soy drinks are actually quite good, I've tried them since I'm lactose intolerant. 

A lot of marketing firms will try to create market share, through shortcutting on another description, instead of starting from scratch.

Hence the 'burger thing'. 


Also my ignoring of the 'dumb people in Mississippi' approach, of the OP.

[weltschmerz]

Jul 9, 2019 15:31:47 GMT -5 Tiny said:

And don't "burgers" of anysort usually come with what they are made out of?  Like 100% beef or  100% venison 'burger"?  or made with ground Turkey and whatever else is added to it?   

Maybe I'm a bit of a burger connoisseur -   unless I'm eating at Wendy's (I loathe McDonalds) I don't really wonder exactly what's in the burger I'm eating (I assume there's something that came off a cow (or pig) carcass  and who knows what else in the fast food chain burgers).    If I'm dining Fast Casual - I'd expect the menu to tell me what's in the Burger I'm ordering since I'm sitting down and/or seeing a menu with alot of verbage on it.  So a 100% Angus Beef Burger   or a Turkey with a blend of spices (and probably some "filler" egg? grain?  to hold it together)  or Bean Burger (with a list of spices and beans/binders that were used).     

I don't get what the big deal is - 'burger' just means a "pattie" shaped something served on a round split bun.   The menu (or name of the entree)  usually tells you what's in the 'burger' part of the meal. 

I saw Kangaroo Burgers the other day....

[NoNamePerson]

Jul 11, 2019 12:42:54 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Jul 9, 2019 15:31:47 GMT -5 Tiny said:

And don't "burgers" of anysort usually come with what they are made out of?  Like 100% beef or  100% venison 'burger"?  or made with ground Turkey and whatever else is added to it?   

Maybe I'm a bit of a burger connoisseur -   unless I'm eating at Wendy's (I loathe McDonalds) I don't really wonder exactly what's in the burger I'm eating (I assume there's something that came off a cow (or pig) carcass  and who knows what else in the fast food chain burgers).    If I'm dining Fast Casual - I'd expect the menu to tell me what's in the Burger I'm ordering since I'm sitting down and/or seeing a menu with alot of verbage on it.  So a 100% Angus Beef Burger   or a Turkey with a blend of spices (and probably some "filler" egg? grain?  to hold it together)  or Bean Burger (with a list of spices and beans/binders that were used).     

I don't get what the big deal is - 'burger' just means a "pattie" shaped something served on a round split bun.   The menu (or name of the entree)  usually tells you what's in the 'burger' part of the meal. 

I saw Kangaroo Burgers the other day....

Did it come packaged in a "pouch" - OK I just couldn't resist - carry on with this highly charged intellectual topic.  

[weltschmerz]

Jul 11, 2019 12:55:54 GMT -5 NoNamePerson said:

Jul 11, 2019 12:42:54 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

I saw Kangaroo Burgers the other day....

Did it come packaged in a "pouch" - OK I just couldn't resist - carry on with this highly charged intellectual topic.  

It did! And according to some, it should have been in the kangaroo section of the store, and not the burger section.