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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 30, 2019 20:09:05 GMT -5
It's absolutely f***ing amazing how this president orchestrates things. So Kim sees US bring Panda back to the negotiating table and Trump throws out (what appears) a "hey, I'm in the neighborhood, we should get together," and Kim Jong is like, "yeah dude, we're the two best friends that anyone could ever have!" I've never in my lifetime watched a sitting President orchestrate the way in which Trump orchestrates. Strikes when the iron is hot, always pushing the deal forward, constantly moving the ball down the field, constantly leveraging and even more refreshing? Actually having the BALLS to utilize the power that he has. Obviously China's move back to the negotiating table means they believe Trump is a wringer in 2020. Xi is not stupid. theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/06/30/incredible-president-donald-trump-historic-visit-to-north-korea/At 3:46pm, President Trump crossed the demarcation line, becoming the first sitting US president to ever step into North Korea. President Trump then walked a few meters into the North together with Kim. “Good progress, good progress”, he said as the two leaders crossed back to the South. Asked to recount the moment and first words with Kim when they approached the North-South line of demarcation, President Trump later said he asked Kim: “would you like me to come across. Kim said he would be honored. It was my honor to do it,” said Pres Trump. Sidebar. Why isn't John Kerry in prison for treason?"
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Post by laterbloomer on Jun 30, 2019 23:13:28 GMT -5
Definitely not duplicate threads. I don't think they are even talking about the same event lol Any President could have visited North Korea, Trump is the only one that wanted to. Why? North Korea is still developing nuclear weapons and now they are recognised as a world power. What was accomplished?
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Post by steff on Jul 1, 2019 0:13:46 GMT -5
Definitely not duplicate threads. I don't think they are even talking about the same event lol Any President could have visited North Korea, Trump is the only one that wanted to. Why? North Korea is still developing nuclear weapons and now they are recognised as a world power. What was accomplished? Nothing. It was a reality show photo op. He gave Kim more legitimacy and got absolutely nothing in return for it. 1st daughter barbie & Tucker fucking Carlson attended the meeting. Not any diplomats, secretary of state, or anyone of any actual knowledge or importance. It was nothing more than a cheap photo op.
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Post by tbop77 on Jul 1, 2019 6:24:37 GMT -5
And you know what is really funny to me? If President Obama had done the same thing....conservatives heads would be exploding!
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 1, 2019 6:52:52 GMT -5
There's a fucking reason none of the previous presidents dignified NK with a presidential visit. Thanks, Trump, for further smearing the status of the POTUS.
Someone should ask Eric Warmbier's parents what they think of Trumps new best friend.
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Post by swamp on Jul 1, 2019 11:20:52 GMT -5
Definitely not duplicate threads. I don't think they are even talking about the same event lol Any President could have visited North Korea, Trump is the only one that wanted to. Why? North Korea is still developing nuclear weapons and now they are recognised as a world power. What was accomplished? Nothing. It was a reality show photo op. He gave Kim more legitimacy and got absolutely nothing in return for it. 1st daughter barbie & Tucker fucking Carlson attended the meeting. Not any diplomats, secretary of state, or anyone of any actual knowledge or importance. It was nothing more than a cheap photo op. Wait? Tucker Carlson was there? Why? I'm pretty sure I know what the response would be if Obama brought along Rachel Maddow.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 1, 2019 11:36:03 GMT -5
It's absolutely f***ing amazing how this president orchestrates things. So Kim sees US bring Panda back to the negotiating table and Trump throws out (what appears) a "hey, I'm in the neighborhood, we should get together," and Kim Jong is like, "yeah dude, we're the two best friends that anyone could ever have!" Anyone else now singing this over and over?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 11:48:39 GMT -5
Definitely not duplicate threads. I don't think they are even talking about the same event lol Any President could have visited North Korea, Trump is the only one that wanted to. Why? North Korea is still developing nuclear weapons and now they are recognised as a world power. What was accomplished?The left howling what a bonehead move it was, while Trump continues to deregulate and gut the EPA ? While simultaneously pulling out of Obama's United Nations Arms treaty ?
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 1, 2019 13:33:47 GMT -5
Nothing. It was a reality show photo op. He gave Kim more legitimacy and got absolutely nothing in return for it. 1st daughter barbie & Tucker fucking Carlson attended the meeting. Not any diplomats, secretary of state, or anyone of any actual knowledge or importance. It was nothing more than a cheap photo op. Wait? Tucker Carlson was there? Why?I'm pretty sure I know what the response would be if Obama brought along Rachel Maddow. For some reason, Trump is currently soliciting Tucker for advice in running the country.
I have no idea why.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 1, 2019 13:35:01 GMT -5
Wait? Tucker Carlson was there? Why?I'm pretty sure I know what the response would be if Obama brought along Rachel Maddow. For some reason, Trump is currently soliciting Tucker for advice in running the country.
I have no idea why.
because he is one of the few pols that still seems to think Trump is perfection incarnate.
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 1, 2019 13:37:41 GMT -5
For some reason, Trump is currently soliciting Tucker for advice in running the country.
I have no idea why.
because he is one of the few pols that still seems to think Trump is perfection incarnate. I have no idea about why that is, either.
more and more, politics flummoxes me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 14:44:45 GMT -5
Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, HW, Clinton, W and Obama have pretty much tried the same thing with North Korea and look where we are at. I’m fine with a fresh approach. It may not work, but at least it’s trying something different.
And for the record I approved when Obama said he would talk to these regimes and I thought opening up Cuba was the right call.
We need to get out of automatically condemning and rooting against efforts just because they don’t come from someones party.
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Post by swamp on Jul 1, 2019 14:48:41 GMT -5
Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, HW, Clinton, W and Obama have pretty much tried the same thing with North Korea and look where we are at. I’m fine with a fresh approach. It may not work, but at least it’s trying something different. And for the record I approved when Obama said he would talk to these regimes and I thought opening up Cuba was the right call. We need to get out of automatically condemning and rooting against efforts just because they don’t come from someones party. I agree with that. But Korea has been dicking Trump around for 2 years.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 14:53:28 GMT -5
Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, HW, Clinton, W and Obama have pretty much tried the same thing with North Korea and look where we are at. I’m fine with a fresh approach. It may not work, but at least it’s trying something different. And for the record I approved when Obama said he would talk to these regimes and I thought opening up Cuba was the right call. We need to get out of automatically condemning and rooting against efforts just because they don’t come from someones party. I agree with that. But Korea has been dicking Trump around for 2 years. I’ll give it some more time, we tried the other approach for over 60 years.
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Post by spartyparty on Jul 1, 2019 15:04:40 GMT -5
I'd give more credit to Dennis Rodman...
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 1, 2019 15:24:13 GMT -5
Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, HW, Clinton, W and Obama have pretty much tried the same thing with North Korea and look where we are at. I’m fine with a fresh approach. It may not work, but at least it’s trying something different. And for the record I approved when Obama said he would talk to these regimes and I thought opening up Cuba was the right call. We need to get out of automatically condemning and rooting against efforts just because they don’t come from someones party. I agree with that. But Korea has been dicking Trump around for 2 years. Other leaders knew damn well that NK would NEVER give up its nukes. Not Trump. All Little Kimmy had to do was write him a love letter, and NK had him by the short hairs. Gullible Trump will fall for flattery every time.
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Post by dondub on Jul 1, 2019 15:34:49 GMT -5
Its absolutely f***** amazing how Trump orchestrated his short and curlies right into Kim’s tight little fist.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 1, 2019 15:55:45 GMT -5
SATIRE Trump Praises Kim on Immigration: “No One Is Trying to Get Into Your Country”By Andy Borowitz NORTH KOREA (The Borowitz Report)—Setting foot in North Korea for the first time, on Sunday, President Donald Trump praised that nation’s dictator, Kim Jong Un, for his efforts on immigration, telling Kim, “No one is trying to get into your country.” After crossing into North Korea from the Demilitarized Zone, Trump remarked to the North Korean leader, “Your border is amazing! There are no people whatsoever trying to get in. You should see our border—it’s a complete mess.” Surveying the border admiringly, Trump bemoaned the brevity of his impromptu visit with Kim. “I have so much to learn from you,” Trump said. “You must be doing something right.” Complete article here: Trump Praises Kim on Immigration: “No One Is Trying to Get Into Your Country”
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 15:56:07 GMT -5
Kind of case and point, one side has an idea, then the other gets their digs and teehees in and we sink ever deeper down the toilet bowl of partisan politics. Both sides are guilty, I don’t know how as a country we climb out of the sewer.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 1, 2019 16:54:15 GMT -5
I agree with that. But Korea has been dicking Trump around for 2 years. Other leaders knew damn well that NK would NEVER give up its nukes. Not Trump. All Little Kimmy had to do was write him a love letter, and NK had him by the short hairs. Gullible Trump will fall for flattery every time. From June of last year: Trump says accused human rights abuser Kim Jong Un 'loves his people'"He's got a great personality. He's a funny guy, he's very smart, he's a great negotiator. He loves his people, not that I'm surprised by that," Trump said. "I think that we have the start of an amazing deal. We're going to denuke North Korea." Trump says accused human rights abuser Kim Jong Un 'loves his people'Starving and murdering your own people is true love at its purest.
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Post by laterbloomer on Jul 1, 2019 17:07:19 GMT -5
Definitely not duplicate threads. I don't think they are even talking about the same event lol Any President could have visited North Korea, Trump is the only one that wanted to. Why? North Korea is still developing nuclear weapons and now they are recognised as a world power. What was accomplished?The left howling what a bonehead move it was, while Trump continues to deregulate and gut the EPA ? While simultaneously pulling out of Obama's United Nations Arms treaty ? I hate that you're right.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 1, 2019 17:10:50 GMT -5
Its absolutely f***** amazing how Trump orchestrated his short and curlies right into Kim’s tight little fist. their hands fit nicely together.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 1, 2019 17:13:41 GMT -5
Other leaders knew damn well that NK would NEVER give up its nukes. Not Trump. All Little Kimmy had to do was write him a love letter, and NK had him by the short hairs. Gullible Trump will fall for flattery every time. From June of last year: Trump says accused human rights abuser Kim Jong Un 'loves his people'"He's got a great personality. He's a funny guy, he's very smart, he's a great negotiator. He loves his people, not that I'm surprised by that," Trump said. "I think that we have the start of an amazing deal. We're going to denuke North Korea." Trump says accused human rights abuser Kim Jong Un 'loves his people'Starving and murdering your own people is true love at its purest. Well, yes. If this doesn't say love, then nothing does..... "Conditions are horrific. People are worked for 14, 15 or 16 hours every day with just a handful of corn to live on and they are intentionally starved and worked to death," said Suzanne Scholte, chairman of the North Korea freedom coalition, a group of organizations based in Washington DC assisting defectors and campaigning for improved human rights. "Torture is common, there is no medical aid and the sanitation is horrible. They wear the torn uniforms of old prisoners and sleep crammed together in a room." North Korea denies the existence of vast political prison camps, but according to a 2014 UN special commission report, a combination of satellite imagery and extensive human testimony proves they are still in operation and are used to perpetrate "unspeakable atrocities" on hapless citizens, who simply disappear with no word to their families even if they subsequently die in detention. The UN reported systematic starvation, torture, rape and many executions at such camps, which hold an estimated total of 80,000 to 120,000 prisoners in the most wretched conditions. www.businessinsider.com/they-are-intentionally-starved-and-worked-to-death-the-horrific-conditions-in-north-korean-labor-camps-2016-3This is where Otto Warmbier ended up, for taking a poster.
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Post by Opti on Jul 1, 2019 19:41:46 GMT -5
I haven't either, but we are probably noticing and scoring things differently.
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Post by busymom on Jul 1, 2019 20:12:39 GMT -5
Do you realize he owns properties in South Korea? If the leader of North Korea had bailed on meeting with him, he probably would've just visited his own real estate. Not that I'd doubt for a moment that he paid a quick visit there anyway...at taxpayer expense.
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 2, 2019 7:24:42 GMT -5
Kind of case and point, one side has an idea, then the other gets their digs and teehees in and we sink ever deeper down the toilet bowl of partisan politics. Both sides are guilty, I don’t know how as a country we climb out of the sewer. I don't think it's the GOP side and the Dem side on this one.
I'm not anti-Trump on this, but I'm 100% anti-Kim, and I think the best thing that can happen to NK is for Kim and the military to be wiped out (but not by us, by an internal revolt). I think any attempts on Trump's part to somehow normalize Kim's behavior only serves to cement Kim's standing within his country, and ultimately, Kim will flagrantly violate any new treaties in the same way he's always violated them in the past.
NK TV is now reporting, on their propaganda channel, that Trump agreed that NK can keep the nukes they have, if they promise not to make any more. Bolton is strongly insisting that will not happen. NK experts think NK can't be trusted to keep their nukes. Did Trump actually promise that, and will Trump push to create a new treaty that lets NK keep their nukes? We'll have to see. But it won't just be the Dems who oppose it, if he does.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 11:00:53 GMT -5
Kind of case and point, one side has an idea, then the other gets their digs and teehees in and we sink ever deeper down the toilet bowl of partisan politics. Both sides are guilty, I don’t know how as a country we climb out of the sewer. I don't think it's the GOP side and the Dem side on this one.
I'm not anti-Trump on this, but I'm 100% anti-Kim, and I think the best thing that can happen to NK is for Kim and the military to be wiped out (but not by us, by an internal revolt). I think any attempts on Trump's part to somehow normalize Kim's behavior only serves to cement Kim's standing within his country, and ultimately, Kim will flagrantly violate any new treaties in the same way he's always violated them in the past.
NK TV is now reporting, on their propaganda channel, that Trump agreed that NK can keep the nukes they have, if they promise not to make any more. Bolton is strongly insisting that will not happen. NK experts think NK can't be trusted to keep their nukes. Did Trump actually promise that, and will Trump push to create a new treaty that lets NK keep their nukes? We'll have to see. But it won't just be the Dems who oppose it, if he does.
I hope I’m wrong but I don’t see an internal revolt there anytime soon regardless of what the US does outside of a full scale invasion which I am definitely not for. I would like to see the Korean War officially ended, our troops removed, and we can continue selling arms to South Korea who already has a potent military to deter Kim from even thinking about an invasion. So yes, I’m for ending this without having them give up their nukes. It isn’t because I like a nuclear armed NK, it’s because I won’t stomach the cost it would take to remove them by force.
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