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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 22, 2019 9:29:02 GMT -5
How will We know who the winner is? The one that offers the most free stuff.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 22, 2019 9:48:24 GMT -5
How will We know who the winner is? The one that offers the most free stuff.
The purpose of a candidate debate should be to give voters information to assist them in deciding for whom to vote. Personally, I think they are a poor tool mainly because too many take the view that individual candidates "win" or "lose" based on how they come across in a modern public debate. I don't consider skill in this type of arena as something valuable for governing.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 22, 2019 9:51:06 GMT -5
Unfortunately, That is how We do it.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 22, 2019 10:11:55 GMT -5
Unfortunately, That is how We do it. Agree it is unfortunate. I think it should change. I do my part by not watching them and not putting weight on what happens during them when making voting decisions.
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Post by sesfw on Jun 22, 2019 10:33:42 GMT -5
With this many people in the running, it's as good a way as any to get the field in a manageable number.
Getting rid of the extremes, both directions, is a good thing
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 22, 2019 10:59:41 GMT -5
With this many people in the running, it's as good a way as any to get the field in a manageable number. Getting rid of the extremes, both directions, is a good thing It will be interesting to see if polling results following the debates give a bump to those who are more moderate or those more extreme.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 23, 2019 10:05:11 GMT -5
With this many people in the running, it's as good a way as any to get the field in a manageable number. Getting rid of the extremes, both directions, is a good thing It will be interesting to see if polling results following the debates give a bump to those who are more moderate or those more extreme. Based on what I have read on the format for the candidates, I am not sure anyone will stand out on just about anything they say unless it is a huge gaff on their part. Time is so limited, impossible to sway anyone.......I imagine this hurts the marginal candidates more than the upper tier list.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 23, 2019 13:00:55 GMT -5
... a huge gaff on their part. .. Yes, displaying a gaff (i.e. an item worn as means of concealing male genitals when wearing traditionally female clothing) would make a candidate stand out of the crowd. Okay, I thought it was "gaffe" with an "e" so I double checked it and found the above. But seriously, it will take something major for a lesser known candidate to stand out and I see that as a problem. What will they say to make that happen and is it good that they will be tied to that thing in the long run if it takes hold enough to get them the nomination?
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Post by busymom on Jun 23, 2019 15:09:54 GMT -5
How will We know who the winner is? The one that offers the most free stuff.
The one that offers the most free stuff?!? As opposed to the current GOP's position to tax the middle class and the poor, then give that money to all of your rich friends?
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 23, 2019 15:20:11 GMT -5
... a huge gaff on their part. .. Yes, displaying a gaff (i.e. an item worn as means of concealing male genitals when wearing traditionally female clothing) would make a candidate stand out of the crowd. Okay, I thought it was "gaffe" with an "e" so I double checked it and found the above. But seriously, it will take something major for a lesser known candidate to stand out and I see that as a problem. What will they say to make that happen and is it good that they will be tied to that thing in the long run if it takes hold enough to get them the nomination? I thought gaff was a sailing term.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 23, 2019 15:50:54 GMT -5
Yes, displaying a gaff (i.e. an item worn as means of concealing male genitals when wearing traditionally female clothing) would make a candidate stand out of the crowd. Okay, I thought it was "gaffe" with an "e" so I double checked it and found the above. But seriously, it will take something major for a lesser known candidate to stand out and I see that as a problem. What will they say to make that happen and is it good that they will be tied to that thing in the long run if it takes hold enough to get them the nomination? I thought gaff was a sailing term. There were a number of different ways that it is used but the one I picked was the most fun.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 23, 2019 17:40:03 GMT -5
How will We know who the winner is? The one that offers the most free stuff.
The one that offers the most free stuff?!? As opposed to the current GOP's position to tax the middle class and the poor, then give that money to all of your rich friends? Although I am not "Rich" I most certainly benefited from the tax break.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 24, 2019 8:34:54 GMT -5
How will We know who the winner is? The one that offers the most free stuff.
The purpose of a candidate debate should be to give voters information to assist them in deciding for whom to vote. Personally, I think they are a poor tool mainly because too many take the view that individual candidates "win" or "lose" based on how they come across in a modern public debate. I don't consider skill in this type of arena as something valuable for governing. It does help to see who has the best charisma and can connect with the crowd better. I agree this shouldn't be an important skill, but unfortunately, it does. Clinton, IMHO, was well qualified, technically and through experience, to be a POTUS, but just didn't come off well when speaking to crowds. She wasn't as inspiring as Obama could be - she came off more as a policy wonk.
What we need is a POTUS candidate who can reel in the audience and energize them, but who is smart enough to let the policy wonks make the decisions for him.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 24, 2019 8:40:34 GMT -5
I wonder if they give "Mayor Pete" a question on police relations with the black community in South Bend Indiana to discuss. This would make or break him.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 24, 2019 9:16:08 GMT -5
I wonder if they give "Mayor Pete" a question on police relations with the black community in South Bend Indiana to discuss. This would make or break him. I wonder if they give 'president' trump a question during the presidential debates about the 24 women who claim trump sexually assaulted them to discuss. The debate host(s) should invite the 24 women to all the presidential debates and give them front row seating. This would make or break him.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 24, 2019 10:44:41 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see if polling results following the debates give a bump to those who are more moderate or those more extreme. Based on what I have read on the format for the candidates, I am not sure anyone will stand out on just about anything they say unless it is a huge gaff on their part. Time is so limited, impossible to sway anyone.......I imagine this hurts the marginal candidates more than the upper tier list. there are two remote possibilities as well:
1) that a second tier candidate will pop during the debate with voters. 2) that a third tier candidate will get NOTICED during the debate.
but the most likely outcome is that candidates will solidify their positions.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jun 24, 2019 10:58:36 GMT -5
Based on what I have read on the format for the candidates, I am not sure anyone will stand out on just about anything they say unless it is a huge gaff on their part. Time is so limited, impossible to sway anyone.......I imagine this hurts the marginal candidates more than the upper tier list. there are two remote possibilities as well:
1) that a second tier candidate will pop during the debate with voters. 2) that a third tier candidate will get NOTICED during the debate.
but the most likely outcome is that candidates will solidify their positions.
If someone stands out in the 2nd or 3rd tier, they may get offered VP on someone else's ticket.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 24, 2019 11:43:09 GMT -5
I wonder if they give "Mayor Pete" a question on police relations with the black community in South Bend Indiana to discuss. This would make or break him. I wonder if they give 'president' trump a question during the presidential debates about the 24 women who claim trump sexually assaulted them to discuss. The debate host(s) should invite the 24 women to all the presidential debates and give them front row seating. This would make or break him. Interesting argument by my conservative hero, George Conway, about conservatives who claimed they believed Juanita Broaddrick:
time.com/5612872/george-conway-republicans-broaddrick-carroll-trump/
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Post by busymom on Jun 24, 2019 11:43:43 GMT -5
At least Biden's hair is the real thing. Nothing like this:
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Jun 24, 2019 11:53:43 GMT -5
At least Biden's hair is the real thing. Nothing like this: I do think that is the real thing, just a very carefully crafted comb-over.
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Post by busymom on Jun 24, 2019 11:56:15 GMT -5
I think he's had some really interesting scalp surgeries. Get that man a decent barber, and a "real" haircut!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 12:16:04 GMT -5
Based on what I have read on the format for the candidates, I am not sure anyone will stand out on just about anything they say unless it is a huge gaff on their part. Time is so limited, impossible to sway anyone.......I imagine this hurts the marginal candidates more than the upper tier list. there are two remote possibilities as well:
1) that a second tier candidate will pop during the debate with voters. 2) that a third tier candidate will get NOTICED during the debate.
but the most likely outcome is that candidates will solidify their positions.
99% of the time ? I never watch debates.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 12:18:37 GMT -5
At least Biden's hair is the real thing. Nothing like this: ... As in on topic, for a thread about the debates for the Democrats in the running ? Scalp surgeries fit in well also. What do you think about this ? Quote; Sen. Bernie Sanders’s proposal to make college free in the United States just got bigger: He wants to erase all student debt too. All $1.6 trillion of it.Quote; The proposal would cost $2.2 trillion over 10 yearswww.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/6/23/18714615/bernie-sanders-free-college-for-all-2020-student-loan-debtI think this takes the prize for the OP's free stuff. Unfortunately, this redistribution of wealth, that will cost retirement funds big time, will not be free. Just the right idea, as social security is suffering setbacks. Bernie claims "the right to a free education". I haven't seen that Amendment to the Constitution. Or the free part.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 24, 2019 16:02:42 GMT -5
I wonder if they give 'president' trump a question during the presidential debates about the 24 women who claim trump sexually assaulted them to discuss. The debate host(s) should invite the 24 women to all the presidential debates and give them front row seating. This would make or break him. Interesting argument by my conservative hero, George Conway, about conservatives who claimed they believed Juanita Broaddrick:
time.com/5612872/george-conway-republicans-broaddrick-carroll-trump/
Good luck with that! And the republicans in the U.S. House and Senate will remain pretty much stone cold silent about E. Jean Carroll's allegations of sexual assault out of fear that trump will publicly trash them and they won't get reelected. Pretty friggin' sad.
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Post by sesfw on Jun 24, 2019 18:05:07 GMT -5
Bernie claims "the right to a free education". ….. I haven't seen that Amendment to the Constitution. ………… Or the free part.
Life, liberty, and the PURSUIT of happiness.
What you want out of life ……………. ya gotta get it yourself. And pay for it yourself. No such thing as a free ride, somewhere along the line someone has to pay the bill.
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Post by mroped on Jun 24, 2019 18:21:21 GMT -5
Bernie claims "the right to a free education". ….. I haven't seen that Amendment to the Constitution. ………… Or the free part.
Life, liberty, and the PURSUIT of happiness. What you want out of life ……………. ya gotta get it yourself. And pay for it yourself. No such thing as a free ride, somewhere along the line someone has to pay the bill. I always thought that because in US unlike any other country the higher education is so expensive then one should be determined to get the best out of it. And they do! It’s just that by having so much debt due to education costs, everybody is stressed out of their minds which means reduced productivity and poor results. Moreover, education is being “sold” not “sought” which in turn means that you might end up with a degree that is absolutely useless. Thats how we ended up with college grads asking the most common question :”would you like some fries with that?!” Education on the higher levels(college and above) SHOULD be free but a spot should be gained thru competition and not the kind where you write a nice essay home and email it. For all I care, someone else with the necessary skill set wrote that for you! Free education removes stress, increases productivity etc. ALL education should be better funded. More teachers, better pay for them would be even better! Do that and see the results and then can claim “we are making America great again!”
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 24, 2019 19:37:17 GMT -5
Bernie claims "the right to a free education". ….. I haven't seen that Amendment to the Constitution. ………… Or the free part.
Life, liberty, and the PURSUIT of happiness. What you want out of life ……………. ya gotta get it yourself. And pay for it yourself. No such thing as a free ride, somewhere along the line someone has to pay the bill. bzzzzzzzzt.
live, liberty and PURSUIT of happiness are not in the constitution either, sesfw
but promoting the general welfare is.
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Post by justme on Jun 24, 2019 20:35:25 GMT -5
Sigh. Where do we vote to get rid of this nonsense of a 2 year election period. Like max starting Jan 1 of election year. Including limits on the bs presidential stops that are just freaking rallies. So over this shit dragging on for years.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 24, 2019 22:03:33 GMT -5
Sigh. Where do we vote to get rid of this nonsense of a 2 year election period. Like max starting Jan 1 of election year. Including limits on the bs presidential stops that are just freaking rallies. So over this shit dragging on for years. It seems like you're always in election mode! People here were bitching because an election campaign lasted 78 days, in 2015. The longest federal election campaign since 1872: 78 days in 2015 The average length of election campaigns since 1872, including 2015: 50 days Average length of the past 10 campaigns prior to 2015: 45.8 days ottawacitizen.com/news/politics/two-down-76-to-go-the-longest-election-campaign-since-we-first-re-elected-john-a
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