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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 21, 2019 16:26:43 GMT -5
For some reason, the thread title reminded me of this poster:
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 21, 2019 16:29:52 GMT -5
For some reason, the thread title reminded me of this poster:
That's the first thing I thought of, too.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 21, 2019 16:35:10 GMT -5
... We were cocked & loaded to retaliate last night on 3 different sights when I asked, how many will die. 150 people, sir, was the answer from a General. 10 minutes before the strike I stopped it, ... Okay, so the President of the United States authorized an attack, our military took the steps to launch the attack, started the process of carrying out the attack, and THEN the President of the United States thought to ask "how many will die"? Do I have that correct? and BTW Mr. President you were going to hit 3 different "sites", not "sights".
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 21, 2019 17:00:58 GMT -5
Fail Safe 2019
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 21, 2019 17:36:27 GMT -5
... We were cocked & loaded to retaliate last night on 3 different sights when I asked, how many will die. 150 people, sir, was the answer from a General. 10 minutes before the strike I stopped it, ... Okay, so the President of the United States authorized an attack, our military took the steps to launch the attack, started the process of carrying out the attack, and THEN the President of the United States thought to ask "how many will die"? Do I have that correct? and BTW Mr. President you were going to hit 3 different "sites", not "sights". Well, I'm not a military professional, but I understand from those who are that one of the first things discussed when military targets are being suggested is the potential damage to both humans and property.
Of course, Trump is neither military nor a professional. He's a toadstool being kept in the dark by Bolton and his neocons who can't wait to start another useless and extremely expensive (in a variety of ways) ME war. I'm willing to bet those 150 people estimates were on the light side, in hopes of getting Trump to go ahead and pull the trigger.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 21, 2019 17:40:36 GMT -5
Does everyone remember how Bush Jr was able to get an international coalition together to fight against Osama and his militant terrorists? All our allies, and even some not so close friends, lined up to join the fight.
If Trump starts something now, we'll do it alone. I doubt even our usual good buddies the Canadians will help us out. Trump has so completely shit on our EU allies, they'll turn a blind eye.
Maybe the Saudis will help - although Congress stopped the sale of military weapons to them recently, so maybe they'll be pissed, too.
All because Trump made a serious of bumbling diplomatic errors, backed himself into a corner and is now standing there, all alone, so befuddled all he can think to do is send out planes with bombs and then bring them back again.
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Post by mollyanna58 on Jun 21, 2019 18:20:26 GMT -5
I am just happy that it was called off.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 21, 2019 18:32:20 GMT -5
I am just happy that it was called off. While I am also happy it was called off, I am not satisfied to leave it as just that. The process is something that citizens should be concerned with as well.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 21, 2019 18:46:56 GMT -5
So now: “I thought about it for a second and I said, you know what, they shot down an unmanned drone, plane, whatever you want to call it, and here we are sitting with a 150 dead people that would have taken place probably within a half an hour after I said go ahead," Trump said. link after tweeting "10 minutes before the strike I stopped it". Obviously he realized the dramatic claim of a last second halt didn't play out well so he offered a new scenario. Concept: tell the story as it actually happened.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 21, 2019 19:55:56 GMT -5
Does everyone remember how Bush Jr was able to get an international coalition together to fight against Osama and his militant terrorists? All our allies, and even some not so close friends, lined up to join the fight.
If Trump starts something now, we'll do it alone. I doubt even our usual good buddies the Canadians will help us out. Trump has so completely shit on our EU allies, they'll turn a blind eye.
Maybe the Saudis will help - although Congress stopped the sale of military weapons to them recently, so maybe they'll be pissed, too.
All because Trump made a serious of bumbling diplomatic errors, backed himself into a corner and is now standing there, all alone, so befuddled all he can think to do is send out planes with bombs and then bring them back again. Not all your allies. Canada refused to get involved in Iraq, because that was stupid and uncalled-for, but we did go to Afghanistan. In any case, why would Canada help you out? We're a "national security threat" and not an ally. The Trump Administration Is Officially Calling Canada A "National Security Threat" www.mtlblog.com/news/the-trump-administration-is-officially-calling-canada-a-national-security-threat
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Post by kadee79 on Jun 21, 2019 20:05:06 GMT -5
And all reports I've seen...there was nothing in the air, so no strike was imminent at that point any way. They may have been getting some pilots & planes ready...but nothing in the air and from what I've read...nothing close to taking off either. So another one of his "emergencies" that he 'fixed'!...all by himself with no help from anyone!
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 22, 2019 12:04:05 GMT -5
... We were cocked & loaded to retaliate last night on 3 different sights when I asked, how many will die. 150 people, sir, was the answer from a General. 10 minutes before the strike I stopped it, ... Okay, so the President of the United States authorized an attack, our military took the steps to launch the attack, started the process of carrying out the attack, and THEN the President of the United States thought to ask "how many will die"? Do I have that correct? and BTW Mr. President you were going to hit 3 different "sites", not "sights".
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 23, 2019 13:36:44 GMT -5
I heard someone this AM describe it as a guy setting a trash can on fire, putting it out and then bragging about how he kept the building from burning down.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 23, 2019 13:44:27 GMT -5
I am just happy that it was called off. While I am also happy it was called off, I am not satisfied to leave it as just that. The process is something that citizens should be concerned with as well. Only Congress can start a war. POTUS is only supposed to respond defensibly, after we've suffered a significant attack.
Having one of our drones shot down is not a significant attack, and the fact that Trump contemplated an air attack, which is clearly an act of war, without waiting for Congress to weigh in, is yet another instance of Trump believing he's the all powerful king and Congress exists only to carry water for him.
Which should be very concerning for every American. If Tucker Carlton hadn't weighed in at the last minute (and Trump's lawyers hadn't suggested that attacking Iran might not be a good re-election strategy) we'd be at war now.
(Americans should also be very concerned that the POTUS takes military advice from a bow tie wearing journalist and a military hawk that's urged us into a couple very costly ME wars already.) www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-tucker-carlson-privately-advises-trump-against-iran-war
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 23, 2019 13:58:11 GMT -5
While I am also happy it was called off, I am not satisfied to leave it as just that. The process is something that citizens should be concerned with as well. Only Congress can start a war. POTUS is only supposed to respond defensibly, after we've suffered a significant attack. ... Unfortunately that line has been blurred way too much. Congress needs to act to defend its turf in this area. Until they are willing, President s, of which the current one is just the latest, will push it.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 23, 2019 15:08:32 GMT -5
... We were cocked & loaded to retaliate last night on 3 different sights when I asked, how many will die. 150 people, sir, was the answer from a General. 10 minutes before the strike I stopped it, ... Okay, so the President of the United States authorized an attack, our military took the steps to launch the attack, started the process of carrying out the attack, and THEN the President of the United States thought to ask "how many will die"? Do I have that correct? and BTW Mr. President you were going to hit 3 different "sites", not "sights". I was reading an ultra-right-wing board, and they all say Trump should get a Nobel Peace prize for calling off the military strike. Isn't that much like a guy kidnapping a woman, later letting her go, and expecting a Good Citizenship award?
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 23, 2019 17:43:35 GMT -5
#MIGA!
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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 23, 2019 17:50:33 GMT -5
Do I see the score right here? If Trump had retaliated against Iran,, He would be starting war!!! If Trump did not retaliate against Iran, He is Showing great weakness. Is that the score?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 18:08:22 GMT -5
It sure was a peaceful month.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 23, 2019 18:23:32 GMT -5
Do I see the score right here? If Trump had retaliated against Iran,, He would be starting war!!! If Trump did not retaliate against Iran, He is Showing great weakness. Is that the score?
No.
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Post by tbop77 on Jun 24, 2019 6:00:57 GMT -5
Do I see the score right here? If Trump had retaliated against Iran,, He would be starting war!!! If Trump did not retaliate against Iran, He is Showing great weakness. Is that the score?
No, hopefully, you will see that we have a president that did not keep an agreement that was signed by 6 nations. In 2015, Iran agreed a long-term deal on its nuclear programme with a group of world powers known as the P5+1 - the US, UK, France, China, Russia and Germany. www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33521655And he has filled your head by saying: "The past administration made a horrible deal giving $150 billion," Trump said April 26 on the Fox News morning show. "Giving $1.8 billion in cash — in actual cash carried out in barrels and in boxes from airplanes."www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/apr/27/donald-trump/donald-trump-iran-150-billion-and-18-billion-c/And now, you know what? He has gotten himself into a situation that is going to cause a war. But hey, #MAGA who-hoo, right?
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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 24, 2019 7:37:38 GMT -5
Do I see the score right here? If Trump had retaliated against Iran,, He would be starting war!!! If Trump did not retaliate against Iran, He is Showing great weakness. Is that the score?
No, hopefully, you will see that we have a president that did not keep an agreement that was signed by 6 nations. In 2015, Iran agreed a long-term deal on its nuclear programme with a group of world powers known as the P5+1 - the US, UK, France, China, Russia and Germany. www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33521655And he has filled your head by saying: "The past administration made a horrible deal giving $150 billion," Trump said April 26 on the Fox News morning show. "Giving $1.8 billion in cash — in actual cash carried out in barrels and in boxes from airplanes."www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/apr/27/donald-trump/donald-trump-iran-150-billion-and-18-billion-c/And now, you know what? He has gotten himself into a situation that is going to cause a war. But hey, #MAGA who-hoo, right? Is this going to be the same war as that North Korean war, that was being pushed by the liberals a little ways back.. Where Trump was going to get all of us killed by the NK?
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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 24, 2019 7:41:07 GMT -5
In almost every deal that Obama did , he was out maneuvered in almost every case,
Giving away most of the farm only leaving a couple of lame horses,,
Declaring victory. Look at the great deal I just did,,,, I gave away the farm!!!
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Post by tallguy on Jun 24, 2019 7:43:55 GMT -5
In almost every deal that Obama Trump did , he was out maneuvered in almost every case,
Giving away most of the farm only leaving a couple of lame horses,,
Declaring victory. Look at the great deal I just did,,,, I gave away the farm!!!
Fixed that for you. You're welcome.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 24, 2019 7:44:41 GMT -5
So what has Trump given away?
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 24, 2019 7:45:52 GMT -5
In almost every deal that Obama did , he was out maneuvered in almost every case,
Giving away most of the farm only leaving a couple of lame horses,,
Declaring victory. Look at the great deal I just did,,,, I gave away the farm!!!
How would you solve the middle east? They have been fighting since the beginning of time, so I suspect your answer is as useless as mine. We have tried war over and over, and we have failed every time. Diplomacy being less than ideal, but providing progress was a good change. Maybe long run or would have failed. But the agreement was working.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 24, 2019 7:50:13 GMT -5
In almost every deal that Obama did , he was out maneuvered in almost every case,
Giving away most of the farm only leaving a couple of lame horses,,
Declaring victory. Look at the great deal I just did,,,, I gave away the farm!!!
How would you solve the middle east? They have been fighting since the beginning of time, so I suspect your answer is as useless as mine. We have tried war over and over, and we have failed every time. Diplomacy being less than ideal, but providing progress was a good change. Maybe long run or would have failed. But the agreement was working. But the agreement was working
In the end , it will work better with the agreement trump makes. Why does diplomacy, always mean, the U.S.A giving money?
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Post by tbop77 on Jun 24, 2019 8:01:38 GMT -5
In almost every deal that Obama did , he was out maneuvered in almost every case,
Giving away most of the farm only leaving a couple of lame horses,,
Declaring victory. Look at the great deal I just did,,,, I gave away the farm!!!
Could you just let me know how many times this has to be posted? IT WASN'T JUST AN OBAMA DEAL! In 2015, Iran agreed a long-term deal on its nuclear programme with a group of world powers known as the P5+1 - the US, UK, France, China, Russia and Germany.www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33521655
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Post by tbop77 on Jun 24, 2019 8:06:08 GMT -5
No, hopefully, you will see that we have a president that did not keep an agreement that was signed by 6 nations. In 2015, Iran agreed a long-term deal on its nuclear programme with a group of world powers known as the P5+1 - the US, UK, France, China, Russia and Germany. www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33521655And he has filled your head by saying: "The past administration made a horrible deal giving $150 billion," Trump said April 26 on the Fox News morning show. "Giving $1.8 billion in cash — in actual cash carried out in barrels and in boxes from airplanes."www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/apr/27/donald-trump/donald-trump-iran-150-billion-and-18-billion-c/And now, you know what? He has gotten himself into a situation that is going to cause a war. But hey, #MAGA who-hoo, right? Is this going to be the same war as that North Korean war, that was being pushed by the liberals a little ways back.. Where Trump was going to get all of us killed by the NK?
Nah, he's proven to the world he is all tough talk!
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