Ah ha...this may be why Shanahan....

[kadee79]

withdrew from the nomination....

The FBI has been examining a violent domestic dispute from nine years ago between acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan and his then-wife as part of a background investigation ahead of his possible confirmation hearing to be President Trump’s permanent defense chief. 


Tuesday afternoon, Trump said he would replace Shanahan as acting secretary. 


The incident, in which Shanahan and his then-wife Kimberley both claimed to the police that they had been punched by the other, did not surface when Trump nominated Shanahan to be the Pentagon’s second-in-command two years ago, or when he was selected to be the interim defense chief this year.



Shanahan said he "never laid a hand on" his former wife. His former wife, who now goes by the name Kimberley Jordinson, said she stands by her account.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fbi-examining-2010-domestic-fight-involving-acting-defense-secretary-shanahan-accounts-differ-on-aggressor/ar-AAD4dg4?li=BBnbcA1 

And then add this one....WOW, what a family!


www.rawstory.com/2019/06/trumps-failed-defense-secretary-pick-defended-his-son-after-he-brutally-beat-his-own-mother-with-a-baseball-bat/

[NastyWoman]

OMG! The guy would have fit right in with the "Famiglia" that currently rules the country. Ruthless, vile, self-serving, and a liar. What more can you want.  <♫ music from the Godfather♫ > 

[happyhoix]

The 17 year old son hits his mom on the head (twice) with a baseball bat, pulls the telephone out of the wall so the younger son can't call 911 after the 17 year old leaves, and the dad claims it was the mom's fault because she was saying mean things to the kid, and whines about how the kid might lose his stellar baseball future if he has to do time in jail.

Toxic masculinity spoils the party again.

[happyhoix]

Jun 19, 2019 8:39:45 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Trump said that sometimes bad things happen to good families.


We are currently wrapping up the Bloodline Netflix series.  I'll be damned if that wasn't the exact same thing John Rayburn intoned about his family's descent into murder and depravity.  

Bloodline was a great show...

[bean29]

The family is messed up. The woman still had issues with the police after her divorce, so Shanahan could be speaking the truth. Unfortunately, I have a brother-in-law who has an ex that made stuff up about other family members to bolster her custody suit.

I have two nephews that are drug addicts.  Various family members had had Alcoholism problems and my Dad was bi-polar. 

His kid could also have substance abuse problems, or it could be a hereditary mental illness. 

I guess it is not of concern anymore as he resigned.

[happyhoix]

Jun 19, 2019 11:10:37 GMT -5 bean29 said:

The family is messed up. The woman still had issues with the police after her divorce, so Shanahan could be speaking the truth. Unfortunately, I have a brother-in-law who has an ex that made stuff up about other family members to bolster her custody suit.

I have two nephews that are drug addicts.  Various family members had had Alcoholism problems and my Dad was bi-polar. 

His kid could also have substance abuse problems, or it could be a hereditary mental illness. 

I guess it is not of concern anymore as he resigned.

I have messed up family members as well, but if one of them hit an unarmed person with a baseball bat, that crosses a line.

I think the reason this is important is that Trump and his WH pals knew about this for months and did nothing.  If the Trump WH did their due diligence checks, they never would have put this guy in as the acting Sec of Defense in the first place, but once they discovered it, if they'd allowed him to step down gracefully, rather than letting it become public knowledge, that would have been better off for Shanahan's family.

[Deleted]

Jun 19, 2019 7:16:40 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

The 17 year old son hits his mom on the head (twice) with a baseball bat, pulls the telephone out of the wall so the younger son can't call 911 after the 17 year old leaves, and the dad claims it was the mom's fault because she was saying mean things to the kid, and whines about how the kid might lose his stellar baseball future if he has to do time in jail.

Toxic masculinity spoils the party again.

Depends where you start the story...

The first thing that popped into my head was why did the story start (in your post) with him hitting her with the bat.

Do these things happen for no reason ?

[swamp]

Jun 19, 2019 12:39:08 GMT -5 @x said:

Jun 19, 2019 7:16:40 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

The 17 year old son hits his mom on the head (twice) with a baseball bat, pulls the telephone out of the wall so the younger son can't call 911 after the 17 year old leaves, and the dad claims it was the mom's fault because she was saying mean things to the kid, and whines about how the kid might lose his stellar baseball future if he has to do time in jail.

Toxic masculinity spoils the party again.

Depends where you start the story...

The first thing that popped into my head was why did the story start (in your post) with him hitting her with the bat.

Do these things happen for no reason ?

When is it OK to hit your mom twice in the head with a bat?    There is no indication this was self defense, which is the only reason I can think of.   

[justme]

And if he he truly had a possibility at a stellar baseball career, he likely packed a wallop with that bat. 

[djAdvocate]

Jun 19, 2019 13:04:05 GMT -5 justme said:

And if he he truly had a possibility at a stellar baseball career, he likely packed a wallop with that bat. 

Trump hires only the best.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Jun 19, 2019 13:00:56 GMT -5 swamp said:

Jun 19, 2019 12:39:08 GMT -5 @x said:

Depends where you start the story...

The first thing that popped into my head was why did the story start (in your post) with him hitting her with the bat.

Do these things happen for no reason ?

When is it OK to hit your mom twice in the head with a bat?    There is no indication this was self defense, which is the only reason I can think of.   

When she deserves it of course.    Stop being so judgmental of a young man and trying to ruin his life!  

[bean29]

What give me pause though is the indication that the police where she is currently living have had numerous dealing with her. Her mental stability does not seem to be there. They are divorced, he is not in the picture anymore, but she still has dealings with the police. 

I am not one to excuse violence, but he has withdrawn from consideration for Defense Secretary, so it is no longer of concern to me.

I have to say though, Trump and company seem to nominate more people with Ugly backgrounds and just roll over any objections so that they can confirm their "Men".

I look forward to a day when people are actually vetted before they are put into cabinet positions.

[billisonboard]

Jun 19, 2019 14:24:23 GMT -5 bean29 said:

... I look forward to a day when people are actually vetted before they are put into cabinet positions.

I look forward to a day when people are actually nominated for cabinet positions so that they can be approved or not by the Senate. Shanahan served as "acting" for over six months without ever being nominated for the position. That is what needs to stop.

[jelloshots4all]

Jun 19, 2019 12:18:10 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jun 19, 2019 11:10:37 GMT -5 bean29 said:

The family is messed up. The woman still had issues with the police after her divorce, so Shanahan could be speaking the truth. Unfortunately, I have a brother-in-law who has an ex that made stuff up about other family members to bolster her custody suit.

I have two nephews that are drug addicts.  Various family members had had Alcoholism problems and my Dad was bi-polar. 

His kid could also have substance abuse problems, or it could be a hereditary mental illness. 

I guess it is not of concern anymore as he resigned.

I have messed up family members as well, but if one of them hit an unarmed person with a baseball bat, that crosses a line.

I think the reason this is important is that Trump and his WH pals knew about this for months and did nothing.  If the Trump WH did their due diligence checks, they never would have put this guy in as the acting Sec of Defense in the first place, but once they discovered it, if they'd allowed him to step down gracefully, rather than letting it become public knowledge, that would have been better off for Shanahan's family.

Trump doesn't do any checks, let alone due diligence checks??  If he likes them they must be "the best picks and greatest people in the history of the US!!"

That's what we have for idiots electing an even bigger idiot!!

[Tennesseer]

Jun 19, 2019 19:24:17 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jun 19, 2019 14:24:23 GMT -5 bean29 said:

... I look forward to a day when people are actually vetted before they are put into cabinet positions.

I look forward to a day when people are actually nominated for cabinet positions so that they can be approved or not by the Senate. Shanahan served as "acting" for over six months without ever being nominated for the position. That is what needs to stop.

Trump’s UN ambassador pick Kelly Craft grilled on her 300 absences as Canada envoy

United Nations ambassador nominee Kelly Craft appeared before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee for her confirmation hearing Wednesday, and while she praised the UN as a “vital institution,” much of the hearing was spent examining her record as the US’s top diplomat in Canada.

Craft has served as the US ambassador to Canada since September 2017. But Politico reported Monday that she was “frequently absent” from her diplomatic post in Ottawa. Flight records obtained by Politico showed Craft took 128 flights between the US and Canada in a 15-month period, which comes out to about a flight per week.

Democrats pressed Craft on her absences, with Senate Foreign Relations ranking member Sen. Bob Menendez (D-NJ), saying State Department records show Craft had been absent for more than 300 days between October 23, 2017, and June 19, 2019.

The concern over Craft’s absences in Ottawa was legitimate, as she’s being nominated to the US’s top diplomatic post and the bulk of her foreign policy experience comes from her nearly two-year stint in Canada. Craft is married to a Kentucky coal magnate, who also happens to be a major GOP donor. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has backed Craft’s nomination for the UN post, and he testified on her behalf on Wednesday — a reason her nomination likely will won’t face any real opposition.

link

[bean29]

Actually, I think the ex wife is mentally ill, or has some kind of substance abuse problem, the son probably also has a substance abuse problem/mental illness but the drigs he is addicted to are hard core.

[happyhoix]

Apparently the wife was 'difficult to live with' and had been yelling at her 17 year old because he was dating a 36 year old woman. Shanahan claimed she had anger issues, was violent and drank. So it sounds like it was a really fun household.



Shanahan knew this about his wife and yet left his three kids with her. If DH was an alcoholic who became belligerent towards our son when he drank, DH would have been living alone in a shitty apartment out by the airport a long time ago.



The whole family sounds messed up - and the criminal activity was part of the public record, so any reporter could find it. . Shanahan knew it would embarrass his oldest son if the sordid story surfaced again, so Shanahan should never have allowed his name to be put into the running for such a high profile position - if he was any kind of father, which we've already established, he isn't.



And if Trump bothered to vet his candidates at all, none of this would happen, but we know what kind of a POTUS Trump is, too.

[Wisconsin Beth]

Jun 19, 2019 19:24:17 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jun 19, 2019 14:24:23 GMT -5 bean29 said:

... I look forward to a day when people are actually vetted before they are put into cabinet positions.

I look forward to a day when people are actually nominated for cabinet positions so that they can be approved or not by the Senate. Shanahan served as "acting" for over six months without ever being nominated for the position. That is what needs to stop.

I read somewhere, a while back, that trump likes the churn of the acting positions. 

[happyhoix]

Jun 20, 2019 7:06:57 GMT -5 Wisconsin Beth said:

Jun 19, 2019 19:24:17 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I look forward to a day when people are actually nominated for cabinet positions so that they can be approved or not by the Senate. Shanahan served as "acting" for over six months without ever being nominated for the position. That is what needs to stop.

I read somewhere, a while back, that trump likes the churn of the acting positions. 

I read that he prefers 'acting' positions because they are more subject to his whims. They jump higher when he says jump. He likes that.

[Deleted]

Jun 19, 2019 13:00:56 GMT -5 swamp said:

Jun 19, 2019 12:39:08 GMT -5 @x said:

Depends where you start the story...

The first thing that popped into my head was why did the story start (in your post) with him hitting her with the bat.

Do these things happen for no reason ?

When is it OK to hit your mom twice in the head with a bat?    There is no indication this was self defense, which is the only reason I can think of.   

I was thinking along the lines of verbally agitating a immature male, who might be bigger than you and doesn't have the self control that an adult would have.

I never thought for an instant that it was an ok thing to do.

[NastyWoman]

Jun 19, 2019 14:24:23 GMT -5 bean29 said:

What give me pause though is the indication that the police where she is currently living have had numerous dealing with her. Her mental stability does not seem to be there. They are divorced, he is not in the picture anymore, but she still has dealings with the police. 

...

But we don't know what happened before their separation. Also I am not so certain that being beaten on the head with a baseball bat by my son and having him defended by his father would not permanently damage my mental stability. Just saying that we see a little moment in time. as she actually unstable before? What happened before this time? Was this the first attack by her son → in other words did he just go from nothing in the past to picking up a baseball bat?

I don't think we have enough information to judge her by. Shananhan's reaction after the beating tells us a lot though. As bean29 said: if she was that unstable prior to their spearation why did Shanahan leave his kids with her? If she wasn't why jump straight to the son's defense to "protect his future as a baseball player". Did he originally write this up to boys being boys? (Of course NOW he claims to be sorry to ever have defended his son the way he did, but whatever...)

[bean29]

Jun 20, 2019 12:59:10 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Jun 19, 2019 14:24:23 GMT -5 bean29 said:

What give me pause though is the indication that the police where she is currently living have had numerous dealing with her. Her mental stability does not seem to be there. They are divorced, he is not in the picture anymore, but she still has dealings with the police. 

...

But we don't know what happened before their separation. Also I am not so certain that being beaten on the head with a baseball bat by my son and having him defended by his father would not permanently damage my mental stability. Just saying that we see a little moment in time. as she actually unstable before? What happened before this time? Was this the first attack by her son → in other words did he just go from nothing in the past to picking up a baseball bat?

I don't think we have enough information to judge her by. Shananhan's reaction after the beating tells us a lot though. As bean29 said: if she was that unstable prior to their spearation why did Shanahan leave his kids with her? If she wasn't why jump straight to the son's defense to "protect his future as a baseball player". Did he originally write this up to boys being boys? (Of course NOW he claims to be sorry to ever have defended his son the way he did, but whatever...)

Custody was not necessarily up to Mr. Shanahan, it may have been up to the court, and at the time of that incident, the son in question was 17, I think at 13/14 the kids have some say in which parent they want to live with.  Maybe he thought she had stabilized, and it would not be an issue for her to have custody - my thinking is just that I don't need to spend a lot of time thinking about it because he has stepped down from his position.

I can't imagine a child hitting their parent with a baseball bat.  My one DN that has a drug problem, no one in his family will have anything to do with him anymore, and I don't think he has ever been violent towards them.  I think if that happened to me, I would react like my BIL's family.

[billisonboard]

Jun 20, 2019 12:44:32 GMT -5 @x said:

Jun 19, 2019 13:00:56 GMT -5 swamp said:

When is it OK to hit your mom twice in the head with a bat?    There is no indication this was self defense, which is the only reason I can think of.   

I was thinking along the lines of verbally agitating a immature male, who might be bigger than you and doesn't have the self control that an adult would have.

I never thought for an instant that it was an ok thing to do.

I remember the last time my mother slapped me in the face. I was about 16. I caught her arm by the wrist and we locked eyes. We reached the non-verbal agreement that I would let go and allow her to slap me one last time but that would be it.

[Deleted]

Jun 20, 2019 17:43:53 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jun 20, 2019 12:44:32 GMT -5 @x said:

I was thinking along the lines of verbally agitating a immature male, who might be bigger than you and doesn't have the self control that an adult would have.

I never thought for an instant that it was an ok thing to do.

I remember the last time my mother slapped me in the face. I was about 16. I caught her arm by the wrist and we locked eyes. We reached the non-verbal agreement that I would let go and allow her to slap me one last time but that would be it.

Had a similar incident with my dad, probably about the same age.

Don't remember the details, as there was little of that in our house when I was a kid.

I suppose that mutual respect threshold is crossed between every parent/child at some point in some way.  

The baseball bat tells me there is more to the story than is being reported.

[happyhoix]

Jun 21, 2019 6:50:01 GMT -5 @x said:

Jun 20, 2019 17:43:53 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I remember the last time my mother slapped me in the face. I was about 16. I caught her arm by the wrist and we locked eyes. We reached the non-verbal agreement that I would let go and allow her to slap me one last time but that would be it.

Had a similar incident with my dad, probably about the same age.

Don't remember the details, as there was little of that in our house when I was a kid.

I suppose that mutual respect threshold is crossed between every parent/child at some point in some way.  

The baseball bat tells me there is more to the story than is being reported.

The only time striking someone with a baseball bat is acceptable is if the other person also has a baseball bat, or a weapon of greater intensity, and is attempting to assault you with it.

I grew up with a verbally and physically abuse mom. Think 'mommy dearest' with the wire hangers type abusive. I learned to read her moods and steer clear of her when she was having a 'bad day.' That meant I spent a lot of time hiding in my room waiting for dad to come home, counting the days until I was off to college. Picking up a poker or golf club never crossed my mind, because that would have made me as violent and crazy and abusive as Mom was.

[Deleted]

Jun 21, 2019 7:10:29 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jun 21, 2019 6:50:01 GMT -5 @x said:

Had a similar incident with my dad, probably about the same age.

Don't remember the details, as there was little of that in our house when I was a kid.

I suppose that mutual respect threshold is crossed between every parent/child at some point in some way.  

The baseball bat tells me there is more to the story than is being reported.

The only time striking someone with a baseball bat is acceptable is if the other person also has a baseball bat, or a weapon of greater intensity, and is attempting to assault you with it.

I grew up with a verbally and physically abuse mom. Think 'mommy dearest' with the wire hangers type abusive. I learned to read her moods and steer clear of her when she was having a 'bad day.' That meant I spent a lot of time hiding in my room waiting for dad to come home, counting the days until I was off to college. Picking up a poker or golf club never crossed my mind, because that would have made me as violent and crazy and abusive as Mom was.

I already stated in reply #20 that it's not ok, don't know if you have seen it or not.

With out being condescending, I'm sorry you had to go through that as a kid.

I've seen plenty of households when i was a kid, where friends had similar situations.

It's not a way someone should have to go through/remember their childhood.

[happyhoix]

Jun 21, 2019 7:26:47 GMT -5 @x said:

Jun 21, 2019 7:10:29 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

The only time striking someone with a baseball bat is acceptable is if the other person also has a baseball bat, or a weapon of greater intensity, and is attempting to assault you with it.

I grew up with a verbally and physically abuse mom. Think 'mommy dearest' with the wire hangers type abusive. I learned to read her moods and steer clear of her when she was having a 'bad day.' That meant I spent a lot of time hiding in my room waiting for dad to come home, counting the days until I was off to college. Picking up a poker or golf club never crossed my mind, because that would have made me as violent and crazy and abusive as Mom was.

I already stated in reply #20 that it's not ok, don't know if you have seen it or not.

With out being condescending, I'm sorry you had to go through that as a kid.

I've seen plenty of households when i was a kid, where friends had similar situations.

It's not a way someone should have to go through/remember their childhood.

What I was questioning was your statement that the baseball bat meant there was more to the story.

When someone picks up a weapon to use against an unarmed person, they are wrong, and that's the end of the story.  This kid should have done jail time, but his dad got him a crack lawyer, pleaded with the court that the mom was a bitch and the kid had a stellar baseball career in front of him, and the kid got off with a few months in some kid camp.

Can you imagine what would have happened if the kid was black? He'd be tried as an adult and would have done years in prison. Instead, stellar baseball kid got to walk away nearly scot free thanks to daddy's money and connections. No wonder Shanahan quickly resigned.

[Deleted]

Jun 21, 2019 10:47:53 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jun 21, 2019 7:26:47 GMT -5 @x said:

I already stated in reply #20 that it's not ok, don't know if you have seen it or not.

With out being condescending, I'm sorry you had to go through that as a kid.

I've seen plenty of households when i was a kid, where friends had similar situations.

It's not a way someone should have to go through/remember their childhood.

What I was questioning was your statement that the baseball bat meant there was more to the story.

When someone picks up a weapon to use against an unarmed person, they are wrong...

So he walked up to his mom and hit her with the bat for no reason ?

We're already in agreement that it's wrong, why keep bringing it up ?

I question the start point of the story, not that there was a bat in it.

You used the term toxic masculinity, why not toxic femininity for starting the confrontation ?

Adults should know better when dealing with children.