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Post by busymom on Jun 16, 2019 13:39:21 GMT -5
LOL! The idea that he thinks the American public will demand he stay is hilarious at best, but indeed scary if he actually believes it. What a self-absorbed nutcase!
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 16, 2019 13:50:12 GMT -5
Lol! Isn't he adorable? The man who has racked up over 10,000 lies is calling the media deceitful.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 16, 2019 13:51:01 GMT -5
if that is the case, we are better off finding out in two.
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Post by sesfw on Jun 16, 2019 14:27:37 GMT -5
Had the same laugh when some Dems thought about keeping Obama for more terms
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 16, 2019 14:31:50 GMT -5
Had the same laugh when some Dems thought about keeping Obama for more terms Yes it would be funny-if Obama had said it. The funny is that trump actually said it and not just some Repubs.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 16, 2019 14:37:21 GMT -5
Had the same laugh when some Dems Republicans thought fretted about keeping Obama for more terms doing this /\
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Post by dondub on Jun 16, 2019 14:50:39 GMT -5
carry him out
Drag and roll
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Jun 16, 2019 14:57:44 GMT -5
Had the same laugh when some Dems thought about keeping Obama for more terms
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 16, 2019 15:34:02 GMT -5
Also scary, from the same article listed above, is the fact that the US is engaged in cyber warfare against Russia - but no one has mentioned it to Trump.
Are the security people afraid Trump would spill the beans about what the US is doing to his good friend Putin? Or that he'd make sure the US stopped any cyber warfare against his pals the Russians?
I have a feeling there is a lot of stuff the other agencies and even the WH staff hide from Trump. And that's scary, too - that no one trusts Trump to act in the best interest of the country.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 16, 2019 15:35:52 GMT -5
Had the same laugh when some Dems thought about keeping Obama for more terms Yes it would be funny-if Obama had said it. The funny is that trump actually said it and not just some Repubs. Don't you remember when Obama bragged about how he was the very best president ever, everyone says so, and he passed such amazing laws grown men cried over how holy and beautiful they are? Such fabulous laws!
Yeah, I don't remember that, either.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 16, 2019 16:06:04 GMT -5
Had the same laugh when some Dems thought about keeping Obama for more terms Obama never said anything like this in 2011 (or any time) before the 2012 elections, especially how the markets would crash if he wasn't re-elected: Trump: If I lose in 2020, stock market will crash
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 17, 2019 0:28:49 GMT -5
Yes it would be funny-if Obama had said it. The funny is that trump actually said it and not just some Repubs. Don't you remember when Obama bragged about how he was the very best president ever, everyone says so, and he passed such amazing laws grown men cried over how holy and beautiful they are? Such fabulous laws!
Yeah, I don't remember that, either.
I used to think that Obama was an above average president.
now, he looks like Jefferson to me.
and I don't mean George.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 17, 2019 6:51:14 GMT -5
Had the same laugh when some Dems thought about keeping Obama for more terms Obama never said anything like this in 2011 (or any time) before the 2012 elections, especially how the markets would crash if he wasn't re-elected: Trump: If I lose in 2020, stock market will crashTrump knows campaigning on fear wins. Worked for him last time.
At least it works if your voting block is gullible and fearful, anyway.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 17, 2019 7:49:43 GMT -5
Obama is a very competent and engaging person, as is his partner Michelle. I rather think that after 8 years in the gilded cage of the White House they had plenty and were quite ready to move on. Trump, the classic narcissist, just loves seeing his name in lights, on the news, with the honorific title, etc., etc. I don't think he can get enough of that. I am going out on a limb here- but I am guessing that his personal life is also quite empty. Even his golf score isn't real. Those trappings are very important to him. In trump's twisted mind, bad press is still better than no press.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 17, 2019 9:19:23 GMT -5
Obama is a very competent and engaging person, as is his partner Michelle. I rather think that after 8 years in the gilded cage of the White House they had plenty and were quite ready to move on. Trump, the classic narcissist, just loves seeing his name in lights, on the news, with the honorific title, etc., etc. I don't think he can get enough of that. I am going out on a limb here- but I am guessing that his personal life is also quite empty. Even his golf score isn't real. Those trappings are very important to him. For narcissists, it's all about power. Once they get some power, they want more power. They can never get enough. Should he live long enough to become ex-president Trump, the sudden drop in attention and power he'll experience will be a shock to his system - I imagine he would do almost anything to avoid becoming an ex-president.
Add to that the multiple lawsuits that are being lined up against him and his company that will continue to push forward post-presidency, and he's got very strong motives to never stop being the president.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 17, 2019 11:36:37 GMT -5
I think he will leave. He is a narcissist, but I do believe he knows this isn't a banana Republic where he can just squat. Him refusing to leave would take a lot of guts, and would end up being humiliating to him. He will leave and then spend the rest of his days giving speeches where he claims that "others" were trying to change the laws to let him stay, and they were close, but he told them to stop.
The real question is if he will leave with dignity, like all the other Presidents, by meeting with their successor and having a pleasant conversation, taking some pictures and all that other standard protocol? Or will he slip out the back, giving some lame excuse and send Pence to welcome the new leadership? In 2024, he is likely to do the standard ceremony, but he will stand there and look annoyed the whole time. If he loses in 2020, there is a bigger risk that he will take an untraditional route.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 17, 2019 12:07:53 GMT -5
I am more concerned with the time between Election Night in early November and the Electoral College reveal in early January. There is a lot of time for mischief making there.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jun 17, 2019 12:09:09 GMT -5
I think he will leave. He is a narcissist, but I do believe he knows this isn't a banana Republic where he can just squat. Him refusing to leave would take a lot of guts, and would end up being humiliating to him. He will leave and then spend the rest of his days giving speeches where he claims that "others" were trying to change the laws to let him stay, and they were close, but he told them to stop. The real question is if he will leave with dignity, like all the other Presidents, by meeting with their successor and having a pleasant conversation, taking some pictures and all that other standard protocol? Or will he slip out the back, giving some lame excuse and send Pence to welcome the new leadership? In 2024, he is likely to do the standard ceremony, but he will stand there and look annoyed the whole time. If he loses in 2020, there is a bigger risk that he will take an untraditional route. I don't feel that he has any dignity so that's out already. But I can't see him slipping quietly out the back either.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 17, 2019 13:29:45 GMT -5
I think he will leave. He is a narcissist, but I do believe he knows this isn't a banana Republic where he can just squat. Him refusing to leave would take a lot of guts, and would end up being humiliating to him. He will leave and then spend the rest of his days giving speeches where he claims that "others" were trying to change the laws to let him stay, and they were close, but he told them to stop. The real question is if he will leave with dignity, like all the other Presidents, by meeting with their successor and having a pleasant conversation, taking some pictures and all that other standard protocol? Or will he slip out the back, giving some lame excuse and send Pence to welcome the new leadership? In 2024, he is likely to do the standard ceremony, but he will stand there and look annoyed the whole time. If he loses in 2020, there is a bigger risk that he will take an untraditional route. I think he will leave too. He doesn't have the spine required to attempt a coup. This is all attention grabbing because he needs his adoring fans to cheer for him. If he loses in 2020 I see him going but not without a lot of whining about how the democrats set him to fail and if the winner is either gay or a woman he'll spew a lot about "affirmative action" or something like that. To be totally honest given his health even if he did win another election I don't see him making it another four years. He may go quietly but not the way anyone expects.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 17, 2019 14:49:51 GMT -5
I am more concerned with the time between Election Night in early November and the Electoral College reveal in early January. There is a lot of time for mischief making there. after 2016, I am not "worried" about it.
the EC is a ratification committee. I have stopped hoping for any independence from them.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 17, 2019 15:11:18 GMT -5
I am more concerned with the time between Election Night in early November and the Electoral College reveal in early January. There is a lot of time for mischief making there. after 2016, I am not "worried" about it.
the EC is a ratification committee. I have stopped hoping for any independence from them.
Once the Electoral College is set, yes. But up until their vote is actually publicly revealed in January, there is the possibility that who was actually voted to be a member of that group is open to challenge.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 17, 2019 15:53:27 GMT -5
after 2016, I am not "worried" about it.
the EC is a ratification committee. I have stopped hoping for any independence from them.
Once the Electoral College is set, yes. But up until their vote is actually publicly revealed in January, there is the possibility that who was actually voted to be a member of that group is open to challenge. right. and my point was that there was a concerted lobbying effort in 2016 to get them to shift their votes on the basis of the popular vote outcome. that argument failed.
so, my perception is that there will be virtually no defections.
I might be wrong, bills. it COULD happen. but after the last election, I am utterly cynical about that possibility.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 17, 2019 16:14:00 GMT -5
Once the Electoral College is set, yes. But up until their vote is actually publicly revealed in January, there is the possibility that who was actually voted to be a member of that group is open to challenge. right. and my point was that there was a concerted lobbying effort in 2016 to get them to shift their votes on the basis of the popular vote outcome. that argument failed.
so, my perception is that there will be virtually no defections.
I might be wrong, bills. it COULD happen. but after the last election, I am utterly cynical about that possibility.
The election of people to be members of the Electoral College can be challenged in court. The whole slate clearly and I am not sure that it won't be possible to challenge individual people.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 17, 2019 16:21:51 GMT -5
right. and my point was that there was a concerted lobbying effort in 2016 to get them to shift their votes on the basis of the popular vote outcome. that argument failed.
so, my perception is that there will be virtually no defections.
I might be wrong, bills. it COULD happen. but after the last election, I am utterly cynical about that possibility.
The election of people to be members of the Electoral College can be challenged in court. The whole slate clearly and I am not sure that it won't be possible to challenge individual people. I am kind of dismayed that this particular level of the process does not get more scrutiny. I am imagining that the reason WHY is that they basically rubber stamp their constituencies. if they were indeed more political, this would probably be an issue (the arcane nature of this part of the process).
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Also scary, from the same article listed above, is the fact that the US is engaged in cyber warfare against Russia - but no one has mentioned it to Trump.
Are the security people afraid Trump would spill the beans about what the US is doing to his good friend Putin? Or that he'd make sure the US stopped any cyber warfare against his pals the Russians?
I have a feeling there is a lot of stuff the other agencies and even the WH staff hide from Trump. And that's scary, too - that no one trusts Trump to act in the best interest of the country.
No one ? (Second bolded) Or is it the first bolded.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 11:58:56 GMT -5
Dems seem to be in on this. Doesn't seem to matter which party is in office. Quote; In the several decades since the passage of the 22nd Amendment, various members of Congress have offered proposals for repealing it (all, obviously, without success), twenty-three of them in the last two decades alone. The most recent such proposal is H.J. 15, introduced by Rep. Jose E. Serrano of New York:www.snopes.com/fact-check/term-limits/
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 18, 2019 13:07:03 GMT -5
for the record, I think the 22nd is anti-democratic.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 18, 2019 14:37:29 GMT -5
for the record, I think the 22nd is anti-democratic. Maybe, but I think it lends a lot of strength to our country. Peaceful transition of power is a huge reason why we are consistently stable. Given the propensity for incumbents winning, it would be easy to get in, stay in and turn our system into a dictatorship, which is even more anti-democratic. Dictatorships generally fall apart after a few decades. We have weathered 243 years.
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