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Post by billisonboard on Jun 9, 2019 8:22:08 GMT -5
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Post by oped on Jun 9, 2019 9:02:13 GMT -5
Initial thoughts.
There are so many cool things to do and games to play. Why this one?
Yeah I am called in to do things I don’t always like, but not to subject myself to physical assault and pain. School is compulsory. The standard has to be set higher. Mandatory games that aim for hitting someone does not pass this bar for me.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 9, 2019 9:10:29 GMT -5
Cultural appropriation: bring back playing with rocks and cow manure.
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Post by oped on Jun 9, 2019 9:18:38 GMT -5
Well then. When you support corporal punishment this isn’t as far of a stretch I guess...
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 9, 2019 9:31:24 GMT -5
From the OP link: Like dodgeball, we’re also called to protect other people in our care or on our team, blocking and shielding them from the “slings and arrows” of everyday life. It was long ago I played but I recall it as every person for themselves.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 9, 2019 10:59:35 GMT -5
I had the opportunity to observe junior high students playing dodgeball as a special education teacher. I was responsible for a high functioning autistic student and visited his PE class one day. First off I was impressed by his fellow students. Chris had picked out two lines on the gym floor and just paced back and forth touching those lines with his foot. It would have been simple for someone from the other side to just measure his constant pace and nail him. They never did. He would be "put out" when a stray ball happened to bounce into him.
I did watch others as well. I watched students stand still at the start of the round so the other team could hit them quickly, at times actually working to be hit, and allowing them to just sit out, talking with friends on the sidelines of the game. I watched students move as far back as possible and work to draw no attention to themselves in an attempt to stay in the game as long as possible. They would never pick up a ball and throw it. I watched a small handful of students working to be the last person in the game.
I do agree with the author of the article in the OP that dodgeball does teach lessons. We just don't agree on what those lessons teach.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 9, 2019 12:15:37 GMT -5
From the OP link: Like dodgeball, we’re also called to protect other people in our care or on our team, blocking and shielding them from the “slings and arrows” of everyday life. It was long ago I played but I recall it as every person for themselves. I would expect no less from you, Focus on the Family. Very Christian of you.
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Post by busymom on Jun 9, 2019 13:26:24 GMT -5
I don't think a game that humiliates students who don't have athletic ability is useful. JMHO. We had dodgeball when I was in PE, and it was always the least athletic, and the heavier kids that were taken down first. It wasn't a "team" sport, as everyone was out to save themselves. Sort of a selfish sport for the most agile, don't you think? If a group of kids want to set up a dodgeball league as an after-school activity, go for it. But then, it'll at least be voluntary. BTW, as the parent of a child on the autism spectrum, my own kid doesn't have good reflexes, as in knowing when to duck. Which, since I was athletic, was difficult for me to comprehend, at first. In fact, one day when I was assisting at a softball game on the last day of school, my poor kid actually got hit by a batted ball because he can't get out of the way in time. It is what it is, but it takes different skills to be good at different sports. My kid just happens to be good at bowling.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2019 14:22:33 GMT -5
The movie is pretty awesome.
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Post by sesfw on Jun 9, 2019 20:26:08 GMT -5
I was/am a total klutz at athletics and dancing.
In school I was always the last kid picked for anything. I'm not real good at anything except being a good audience member for others. And I excel at that …….. being there for others to stand on my shoulders.
Only time I remember playing dodgeball was about 4th grade and I did my best to stay out of the center. Can't say my esteem was damaged, guess it wasn't the 'in' thing to be concerned about.
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Post by kadee79 on Jun 9, 2019 22:11:14 GMT -5
I only remember dodge ball in the 6th grade. I had it in for a few of the boys in my class cause they didn't want to let me play baseball with them...I was better than most of them. I did my darnedest to hit them & hoped it hurt!
I don't think it affected me in any way...it was just a game we all played back then. No, none of us picked on the kids who weren't good at it. If they wanted out of the game we would hit them softly.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 18, 2019 12:09:00 GMT -5
Last night on The Late Late Show with James Corden: USA v. UK Dodgeball.
Team USA: Michelle Obama, Kate Hudson, Mila Kunis, Melissa McCarthy, Lena Waithe and Allison Janney.
Team UK: James Corden, Reggie Watts, Harry Styles, Benedict Cumberbatch and John Bradley.
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Post by swamp on Jun 18, 2019 12:25:04 GMT -5
I had the opportunity to observe junior high students playing dodgeball as a special education teacher. I was responsible for a high functioning autistic student and visited his PE class one day. First off I was impressed by his fellow students. Chris had picked out two lines on the gym floor and just paced back and forth touching those lines with his foot. It would have been simple for someone from the other side to just measure his constant pace and nail him. They never did. He would be "put out" when a stray ball happened to bounce into him. I did watch others as well. I watched students stand still at the start of the round so the other team could hit them quickly, at times actually working to be hit, and allowing them to just sit out, talking with friends on the sidelines of the game. I watched students move as far back as possible and work to draw no attention to themselves in an attempt to stay in the game as long as possible. They would never pick up a ball and throw it. I watched a small handful of students working to be the last person in the game. I do agree with the author of the article in the OP that dodgeball does teach lessons. We just don't agree on what those lessons teach. I learned to stay back and not make myself a target. I also learned that if you hang out quietly in the back biding your time, you can nail the bully in the face when s/he comes up to the line to pelt someone. S/he is so focused on their target they aren't paying attention to the quiet ones in the back. I think that was a very useful life lesson.
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Post by Tiny on Jun 18, 2019 17:17:49 GMT -5
Hmm. We played dodgeball in PE - I think it was 6th thru 8th grade. I actually learned alot about the unfairness of life. And how if you were on the bottom of the social ladder, the People In Power would give those who were on the top of the social ladder permission to beat you into the ground and approve of it. The People In Power would then say "well, you wouldn't get beaten into the ground - if you tried harder". Yep, the best way to win the respect of the "top of the food chain" kids was to beat them at dodge ball. You'd win their admiration and support and they'd suddenly treat you better outside of the gym! Totally the way the world works... NOT. Beat the "in group" in gym and suffer even more out side it. That's what I learned from dodgeball. I learned when the odds are totally against you and there's a time limit...it's best to just cut your losses and get out quick - and wait for it to be over. Totally a valuable lesson. That's right up there with the lesson that if I just tried harder to get along - every one would like me and treat me better and I'd have friends! So valuable. TBH: I think it all comes down to the dynamics of the group of kids playing dodgeball as to the "lessons" learned. FWIW: when the PE teaching nun was away for a month - we had substitute PE teacher. She was young and not a nun and tried to work in some new excersize routines we started out with dodgeball. The substitute quickly figured out the dynamics and tried to change it up. She selected team "captains" instead of letting the Clique kids decide who was "captain". The S-PE picked two not clique kids to be captain - but that just resulted in one of the captains selecting all the "right" kids while the "wrong" kids got the other team (the clique team made sure their captain got battered and knocked down... and eliminated quickly). The S-PE was unhappy so she tried some random numbering schemes to get a mix of kids on each team... the Clique thwarted her. When she finally got 2 mixed teams the Clique revolted took out their anger on the not-clique kids and then refused to play. This all took place over a couple of weeks of gym (we only had it twice a week.) The Clique kids thwarted the S-PE teacher at every turn -and still picked on/humiliated/whatever they could do to the non-clique kids. It was bad. The best example of the dynamics of my class - was music class. We all liked music class - it was always on Friday afternoons and the Nun always had the class sing fun songs. We didn't really learn anything in this class. Then the Nun had this brilliant idea to have us for a "choir". She explained she wanted to hear each of us sing so she could evaluate our voice and put us in the right section of the "choir". The Nun foolishly choose the one of the lowest on the totem pool girls to come up to the front of the class and sing. The girl barely made it to the front of the class - she was white as a sheet. When the Nun asked her to sing a phrase - the girl couldn't even get a whisper out. The Nun was confused and selected another of the non-clique girls with the same result. The Clique girls were pissed that they weren't going first. It was ugly. The Nun had 4 girls at the front of the class - all of whom could barely sing more than a whisper. The Nun gave up at that point. She couldn't figure out what was wrong with us. the best and brightest in the class behaving so badly. We never did get into a "choir" and the rest of the year music class wasn't as fun as it use to be. I am forever thankful that I was not chosen for the humiliation of having to sing in front of the class.... even though I think the choir thing would have been enormously fun. The thing that baffles me to this day was that the Nun's either couldn't see the bullying and how it effected EVERY class or that they thought it was OK. And yes, I was told if I just worked harder at getting along with the other kids (aka the Clique girls) I wouldn't have so many problems. How simple it was. NOT. (I also learned that if you were going to physically hit someone - you hit them as hard as you can and in a body part that would put them on the ground. You only get one hit and you better make damn well sure your opponent isn't gonna get up. So, if you are gonna pick on me - you best do it verbally. If you think you are gonna bump me, or pinch me, or my books or spill something on me... you better be damn well be ready to kiss the floor. I have "died" on this hill (gotten in trouble for fighting) and I will do it again in a heatbeat. Do NOT touch me if you are going to pick on me. )
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Post by Tiny on Jun 18, 2019 17:20:37 GMT -5
I had the opportunity to observe junior high students playing dodgeball as a special education teacher. I was responsible for a high functioning autistic student and visited his PE class one day. First off I was impressed by his fellow students. Chris had picked out two lines on the gym floor and just paced back and forth touching those lines with his foot. It would have been simple for someone from the other side to just measure his constant pace and nail him. They never did. He would be "put out" when a stray ball happened to bounce into him. I did watch others as well. I watched students stand still at the start of the round so the other team could hit them quickly, at times actually working to be hit, and allowing them to just sit out, talking with friends on the sidelines of the game. I watched students move as far back as possible and work to draw no attention to themselves in an attempt to stay in the game as long as possible. They would never pick up a ball and throw it. I watched a small handful of students working to be the last person in the game. I do agree with the author of the article in the OP that dodgeball does teach lessons. We just don't agree on what those lessons teach. I learned to stay back and not make myself a target. I also learned that if you hang out quietly in the back biding your time, you can nail the bully in the face when s/he comes up to the line to pelt someone. S/he is so focused on their target they aren't paying attention to the quiet ones in the back. I think that was a very useful life lesson. And the bully and their cronies wouldn't take it out on you later? Why would you want to put yourself front and center for the bully's attention? Maybe my class was different - there were 7 Clique girls and 5 Clique boys - and the other 16 kids in the class took their abuse. The Clique kids would generally go after the 5 lowest kids - but the 11 kids in the middle were fair game... if one of their favorite targets wasn't around or if you did something to get their attention.
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Post by wyouser on Jun 19, 2019 6:22:43 GMT -5
Cultural appropriation: bring back playing with rocks and cow manure. Also Playing with rocks? Hey, I was a "collector" ……..Those were treasures! You did not throw one at anyone......you might lose it!!!! NOW, on the other hand...….."COWPIES"! (the original frisbee )
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 19, 2019 8:22:34 GMT -5
Cultural appropriation: bring back playing with rocks and cow manure. Also one at anyone......you might lose it!!!! NOW, on the other hand...….."COWPIES"! (the original frisbee ) "COWPIES" aka meadow muffins.
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