Interesting article on California solar capacity

[Value Buy]

in regards to needs by the state.

www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/california-has-too-much-solar-power-that-might-be-good-for-ratepayers/ar-AACuqFf

[Deleted]

Jun 6, 2019 18:49:08 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

in regards to needs by the state.

www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/california-has-too-much-solar-power-that-might-be-good-for-ratepayers/ar-AACuqFf

I didn't see any references as to what they pay for kw/hr.  

Just a lot of wonderfulness of solar power.

I pay $.10 to $.08 per kw/hr, for a diversified source of electric that includes solar.

[Value Buy]

Jun 7, 2019 7:42:11 GMT -5 @x said:

Jun 6, 2019 18:49:08 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

in regards to needs by the state.

www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/california-has-too-much-solar-power-that-might-be-good-for-ratepayers/ar-AACuqFf

I didn't see any references as to what they pay for kw/hr.  

Just a lot of wonderfulness of solar power.

I pay $.08 per kw/hr for a diversified source of electric that includes solar.

I noticed that too. There was a sentence explaining they pay a very high rate, and yet somehow the bill is low, as if consumers do not use a lot of electricity. Just thought it interesting two different train of thought on the issue.
1. Build an over supply of solar panels.
2, do not build an over supply of solar panels.

[Value Buy]

We spend fall and winter in Florida.
Electricity production in Florida is moving to solar at a very fast pace.
There is a development north of Fort Myers, called Babcock Ranch that will have a population of over 100,000 when built out. Totally solar powered electricity, with ng available for cooking and hot water.
We see new solar panel fields going up throughout the state covering large acreage.
I wonder how many acres are taken out of the undeveloped land across the state to produce this electricity denying wildlife of habitat.

[tractor]

Jun 7, 2019 10:58:06 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

We spend fall and winter in Florida.
Electricity production in Florida is moving to solar at a very fast pace.
There is a development north of Fort Myers, called Babcock Ranch that will have a population of over 100,000 when built out. Totally solar powered electricity, with ng available for cooking and hot water.
We see new solar panel fields going up throughout the state covering large acreage.
I wonder how many acres are taken out of the undeveloped land across the state to produce this electricity denying wildlife of habitat.

Actually, solar and wildlife habitat are not mutually exclusive (depending upon what type of wildlife you prefer). Overall, there is no one answer, and diversity of electric generation will benefit the greatest number of people. Cost will always be a factor, with more generation types, there is hope that a medium, equalized price can be obtained across all methods.

[NastyWoman]

Jun 7, 2019 7:56:44 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Jun 7, 2019 7:42:11 GMT -5 @x said:

I didn't see any references as to what they pay for kw/hr.  

Just a lot of wonderfulness of solar power.

I pay $.08 per kw/hr for a diversified source of electric that includes solar.

I noticed that too. There was a sentence explaining they pay a very high rate, and yet somehow the bill is low, as if consumers do not use a lot of electricity. Just thought it interesting two different train of thought on the issue.
1. Build an over supply of solar panels.
2, do not build an over supply of solar panels.

Use of energy efficient appliances maybe and certain  highly populated areas, with very mild climate?  For reference, I pay $0.10/kwh yet my electric bill (old, all-electric, 1300sg ft condo)) is only ~$25/month. That number is an average since I pay more in winter time to heat my condo and less in summer time (no need for airco).

My total bill also has an approximately $6/month charge for certain garbage related issues but I have subtracted that part out.

[kadee79]

What is expensive in Ca. is the water bills! 

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Our electric co-op has its first solar array complete and online starting this month.

We're just a few thousand people that belong to it, and the array can only power a couple hundred homes, but it's cost efficient.

It's a first for us to have our own source, as our co-op always bought on the general market.

Being Arkansas, we have a decent yearly average sun angle, for irradiating the panels.

[Value Buy]

Jun 7, 2019 14:23:25 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Jun 7, 2019 7:56:44 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I noticed that too. There was a sentence explaining they pay a very high rate, and yet somehow the bill is low, as if consumers do not use a lot of electricity. Just thought it interesting two different train of thought on the issue.
1. Build an over supply of solar panels.
2, do not build an over supply of solar panels.

Use of energy efficient appliances maybe and certain  highly populatedareas, with very mild climate?  For reference, I pay $0.10/kwh yet my electric bill (old, all-electric, 1300sg ft condo)) is only ~$25/month. That number is an average since I pay more in winter time to heat my condo and less in summer time (no need for airco).

My total bill also has an approximately $6/month charge for certain garbage related issues but I have subtracted that part out.

Wow. We belong to an electric cooperative, pay well less than ten cents a killowatt, but between the base minimum, and other charges, sales tax, rounding up for the poor, average about $95 a month all year. I will have to check, but the minimum base is just under $20 or so. We do use central air for a few months quite a bit.

That is with ng for hot water and heating being a separate bill from another utility

[❤ mollymouser ❤]

Californian here. Our electricity is priced in tiers. The first so many KwHs are .22 per Kwh. Then tier two prices are .28 per KwH. For consumers who use more than the Tier 2 allotment, there's a high usage surcharge penalty that's about .44 per KwH.

As to a surplus of solar lowering our bills, I doubt it. Our bills are going up because PG&E lines caused some major fires and they've filed bankruptcy.

[❤ mollymouser ❤]

Jun 8, 2019 22:33:39 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

What is expensive in Ca. is the water bills! 

I am convinced that almost everything is expensive in California

[NastyWoman]

Jun 11, 2019 22:46:10 GMT -5 ❤ mollymouser ❤ said:

Californian here. Our electricity is priced in tiers. The first so many KwHs are .22 per Kwh. Then tier two prices are .28 per KwH. For consumers who use more than the Tier 2 allotment, there's a high usage surcharge penalty that's about .44 per KwH.

As to a surplus of solar lowering our bills, I doubt it. Our bills are going up because PG&E lines caused some major fires and they've filed bankruptcy.

I was wondering what PG&E was charging nowadays. All I can say is OUCH! That and thank you to my city for having its own utility. I have always known it was  much cheaper here than just a block over (I'm barely within this district) but did not realize the difference was that large.

[Deleted]

Our Co-op in North Central Arkansas charges $.10 for the first 500 kw/hr.

Then $.08 for anything over the 500 kw/hr.


Since the Co-op is owned by the members and not a public company, we get a check in the mail, or applied to your last bill, in December, for any excess margins that the Co-op takes in from billing.

It's always from the year before as they have to figure in all expense to the last day of the year.



I have an all electric house, as most in the area.

Electric rates are my only energy cost for the house.


Being rural, we don't have Natural Gas.

[djAdvocate]

wait, you get a DISCOUNT for higher use?

dayum.

i get crucified for it.

[weltschmerz]

Jun 7, 2019 10:58:06 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

We spend fall and winter in Florida.
Electricity production in Florida is moving to solar at a very fast pace.
There is a development north of Fort Myers, called Babcock Ranch that will have a population of over 100,000 when built out. Totally solar powered electricity, with ng available for cooking and hot water.
We see new solar panel fields going up throughout the state covering large acreage.
I wonder how many acres are taken out of the undeveloped land across the state to produce this electricity denying wildlife of habitat.

Let's not pretend you're  concerned about wildlife.  You're for Trump, correct?You're for the Wall, correct?


The Trump administration’s policies are leading to wholesale destruction of certain birds and other wildlife. This fact has escaped most public notice amid the broader damage the Cabinet is causing to the environment. Among other measures, regulatory agencies have been working to lift protections on endangered animals, open up vast animal habitats for drilling, encourage more trophy hunting, and repress treatment standards for farm animals.

nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/12/trumps-war-on-wildlife-should-be-a-scandal.html

[weltschmerz]

Trump's wildlife thrill-killers are at it again. This week they launched a new effort to end Obama-era rules in Alaska that banned trophy hunters from gunning down wolf pups in their dens and baiting bears so they can be shot.



The new rule will turn places like Denali National Park and Preserve into a killing field. It's an awful expansion of the kind of trophy hunts Trump implemented in Alaska a few days after he took office. Once again the Center for Biological Diversity will fight back.

www.biologicaldiversity.org/publications/earthonline/endangered-earth-online-no933.html

[weltschmerz]

Pull my other leg, VB.  The Drill, Baby, Drill contingent and Trumpers don't give a fuck about wildlife.

[weltschmerz]

Trump's wall poses serious threat to endangered wildlife

Donald Trump's plans for a "big, beautiful wall" on the US-Mexico border to allegedly stop criminals, rapists, terrorists and drugs pose a serious threat to endangered wildlife.

www.dw.com/en/trumps-wall-poses-serious-threat-to-endangered-wildlife/a-47040909

[Value Buy]

Jun 12, 2019 18:04:07 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Pull my other leg, VB.  The Drill, Baby, Drill contingent and Trumpers don't give a fuck about wildlife.

Evidently you really do not know that much about me. 
I gave up hunting and fishing at the age of 26 due to what I was doing to innocent creatures for what I called "recreation".
As to politicians, or Presidents there is not one politician who fulfills anyone's entire desires or wants. Not one.
Everyone has to make a personal decision on how far we will stay with any particular politican due to their leadership outside of your entire core Value requirements.

[Value Buy]

Jun 12, 2019 18:01:27 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Jun 7, 2019 10:58:06 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

We spend fall and winter in Florida.
Electricity production in Florida is moving to solar at a very fast pace.
There is a development north of Fort Myers, called Babcock Ranch that will have a population of over 100,000 when built out. Totally solar powered electricity, with ng available for cooking and hot water.
We see new solar panel fields going up throughout the state covering large acreage.
I wonder how many acres are taken out of the undeveloped land across the state to produce this electricity denying wildlife of habitat.

Let's not pretend you're  concerned about wildlife.  You're for Trump, correct?You're for the Wall, correct?


The Trump administration’s policies are leading to wholesale destruction of certain birds and other wildlife. This fact has escaped most public notice amid the broader damage the Cabinet is causing to the environment. Among other measures, regulatory agencies have been working to lift protections on endangered animals, open up vast animal habitats for drilling, encourage more trophy hunting, and repress treatment standards for farm animals.

nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/12/trumps-war-on-wildlife-should-be-a-scandal.html

Please try to stay on topic. This thread is about solar power and what it may or may not accomplish. It is not about me.

[weltschmerz]

Jun 14, 2019 6:55:40 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Jun 12, 2019 18:01:27 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Let's not pretend you're  concerned about wildlife.  You're for Trump, correct?You're for the Wall, correct?


The Trump administration’s policies are leading to wholesale destruction of certain birds and other wildlife. This fact has escaped most public notice amid the broader damage the Cabinet is causing to the environment. Among other measures, regulatory agencies have been working to lift protections on endangered animals, open up vast animal habitats for drilling, encourage more trophy hunting, and repress treatment standards for farm animals.

nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/12/trumps-war-on-wildlife-should-be-a-scandal.html

Please try to stay on topic. This thread is about solar power and what it may or may not accomplish. It is not about me.

If you're a Trumper who is anti-solar and pro-fossil fuels, just be honest and say so, instead of pretending you care about wildlife habitat. It doesn't pass the smell test.

[Deleted]

Jun 12, 2019 17:53:49 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

wait, you get a DISCOUNT for higher use?

dayum.

i get crucified for it.

The Co-op charges just a slight bit more per kw/hr than they pay for it.

Out of that margin, comes the money for infrastructure maintenance, employees, etc.

If you're a bigger user, you are supplying more $ to infrastructure costs, than the next customer down the line who uses less.

To compensate this, bigger users get a lower rate after a certain point. (residential, kw/hrs)

Commercial users get an even lower rate, as they use even more, with less structure to maintain.

The amount you use, is also reflected in the margins returned to you at the end of the year. 

[djAdvocate]

Jun 18, 2019 11:41:51 GMT -5 @x said:

Jun 12, 2019 17:53:49 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

wait, you get a DISCOUNT for higher use?

dayum.

i get crucified for it.

The Co-op charges just a slight bit more per kw/hr than they pay for it.

Out of that margin, comes the money for infrastructure maintenance, employees, etc.

If you're a bigger user, you are supplying more $ to infrastructure costs, than the next customer down the line who uses less.

To compensate this, bigger users get a lower rate after a certain point. (residential, kw/hrs)

Commercial users get an even lower rate, as they use even more, with less structure to maintain.

The amount you use, is also reflected in the margins returned to you at the end of the year. 

that is precisely how it should be.

every entity has fixed costs.  the coop should have a minimum requirement to cover those costs.

every dollar above that should be given a discount based on variable costs (not fixed overhead).

very sensible and businesslike.

[phil5185]

www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3

The article is a thinly disguised ad for solar panels.  Note that solar provides about 1.6%% of  electricity in the United States. And California isn't too far above it (altho they bury their solar numbers with wind, hydro, geo group to avoid providing a 'clean' number).   The article mentions such goals as 60% renewable in 12 years, etc.  Actually, we could/should do better than that with clean power - but solar isn't the answer, in fact, the national love affair with solar is holding us back.

""If you're a Trumper who is anti-solar and pro-fossil fuels, just be honest and say so, instead of pretending you care about wildlife habitat. It doesn't pass the smell test.""

You are correct on 2 out of 3  - I'm a Trumper and I am anti solar. But I am definitely not pro-fossil, quite the opposite, I think we should STOP the use of fossil fuels in power plants and in cars. And continue to use fuel only for airplanes and heavy equipment - that would eliminate 90% of our fossil usage.