Russia not acknowledged , Putin not invited to D Day

[dezii]

remembrance...Putin down plays being not invited but I feel it was a mistake...Soviet Union lost over 20 million in that war...with out their sacrifice and then advance into Germany, I believe it was reported that they lost 81,000 killed and 280,000 wounded  men in their attack of Berlin alone...who knows what the end of the war would have been.

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www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48548200

[tractor]

Jun 6, 2019 16:39:01 GMT -5 dezii said:

remembrance...Putin down plays being not invited but I feel it was a mistake...Soviet Union lost over 20 million in that war...with out their sacrifice and then advance into Germany, I believe it was reported that they lost 81,000 killed and 280,000 wounded  men in their attack of Berlin alone...who knows what the end of the war would have been.

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www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48548200

Valid point, I wonder if they have any annual events commemorating their sacrifices in WW II?

[NastyWoman]

Jun 6, 2019 16:39:01 GMT -5 dezii said:

remembrance...Putin down plays being not invited but I feel it was a mistake...Soviet Union lost over 20 million in that war...with out their sacrifice and then advance into Germany, I believe it was reported that they lost 81,000 killed and 280,000 wounded  men in their attack of Berlin alone...who knows what the end of the war would have been.

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www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48548200

There is that of course and they did suffer tremendously during the war. However how many people actually remember that WWII started when Germany invaded Poland from the west and Russia invaded from the east.

Until Hitler turned on them they were "buddies". And then you might also want to read up on the Warsaw uprising in 1944. The Russians refused to come to the aid of the Poles because the rebels were not the right people they wanted to have in their future area of influence.

Yes they suffered a lot but they also caused a lot of suffering. In the "who knows what" category that should not be ignored.

Is all that reason not to invite the Russians to the D-Day ceremonies? I don't know; I just know that they were not on the side of the angels and at least partially to blame for what happened, suffering or not...

[NoNamePerson]

Who was/is responsible for sending out the invitations?

[Deleted]

I agree it was a mistake not to invite Russia, you would be doing it to honor the millions of Soviet soldiers that gave their life to the effort of beating Nazi Germany, not their murderous leader at the time Stalin. IMO, he was on par with Hitler in his atrocities to his own people, the Baltic states and Germans after the war.

[dezii]

Jun 7, 2019 14:14:21 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Jun 6, 2019 16:39:01 GMT -5 dezii said:

remembrance...Putin down plays being not invited but I feel it was a mistake...Soviet Union lost over 20 million in that war...with out their sacrifice and then advance into Germany, I believe it was reported that they lost 81,000 killed and 280,000 wounded  men in their attack of Berlin alone...who knows what the end of the war would have been.

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www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48548200

There is that of course and they did suffer tremendously during the war. However how many people actually remember that WWII started when Germany invaded Poland from the west and Russia invaded from the east.

Until Hitler turned on them they were "buddies". And then you might also want to read up on the Warsaw uprising in 1944. The Russians refused to come to the aid of the Poles because the rebels were not the right people they wanted to have in their future area of influence.

Yes they suffered a lot but they also caused a lot of suffering. In the "who knows what" category that should not be ignored.

Is all that reason not to invite the Russians to the D-Day ceremonies? I don't know; I just know that they were not on the side of the angels and at least partially to blame for what happened, suffering or not...

I agree with your ideas on the Warsaw uprising and the Soviet forces stayed out of the battle till the Polish resistance was destroyed by the Germans...also the deal with Germany to start the invasion of Poland.

There was also Stalin believing German information that his Generals and Colonials were disloyal...going to replace him and thus he imprisoned or executed them...thus when Germany invaded Soviet Union, his most experienced military leaders were dead or imprisoned, thus hugh loses  initially...

He, Stalin, also  didn't believe Churchill warning of a invasion by Germany ...Brits had broken German code...knew about the German attack on Soviets..."Barbarossa"...yet with all that...they still were instrumental in the defeat of Germany and while there are disagreements with the West now, the cold war is over..

Russians should have been invited and recognized..

[NastyWoman]

dezii I was not referring to the cold war with my hesitation to say whether the Russians should have been invited. That was more as a result of the fact that they were instrumental in starting WWII in the first place.  It was an expansionist decision by the Russian to join up with the Germans, and while the Germans were ultimately defeated with indeed the help of Russia, a quick look at the maps of Europe before and after WWII will tell you that the Russians were succeful in their goal: Poland's borders moved permanently west

[weltschmerz]

Moscow had been fighting German forces in the east for almost three years by the time of the D-Day operations that ultimately led to the liberation of Western Europe from Nazi Germany.



The Soviet Union lost more than 25 million lives in what was called the Great Patriotic War - more than any other nation.

www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48548200

[NastyWoman]

Jun 7, 2019 16:27:51 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Moscow had been fighting German forces in the east for almost three years by the time of the D-Day operations that ultimately led to the liberation of Western Europe from Nazi Germany.



The Soviet Union lost more than 25 million lives in what was called the Great Patriotic War - more than any other nation.

www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48548200

True, with China coming in second at 20M (75% of which were civilian death). But we can only speculate how many lives would not have been lost if Russia had decided to help Poland when Germany attacked in 1939 rather than being the other attacker at the time.  Hitler and Stalin were IMO two rabid dogs who ultimately turned on each other. And millions of people paid for that with their lives.

WAR SUCKS!!!

[weltschmerz]

The American companies, DuPont, IBM, Ford, General Motors, Standard Oil, and many more, all helped the Nazis.

“The alliance between American capitalism and Nazi Germany helped Hitler implement an armaments program that was unprecedented at the time, and to begin the world war in which the Holocaust took place.”

After long efforts to conceal this connection, some of the American corporations themselves are publishing the facts, hiring professional historians.



“It’s doubtful if we’ll ever understand how corporate executives in the United States, some of them symbols of patriotism, could give so much help to such a strong, cruel and fanatic enemy that was willing to start a war against their country, to eliminate entire nations and destroy Western civilization,” he says. “It’s also doubtful whether we’ll be able to understand why every one of them avoided punishment.”

www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-researcher-dupont-helped-nazi-germany-out-of-ideology-1.7186636

[happyhoix]

I'm not sure Putin would have wanted to come.

He put out a statement saying that D Day wasn't the definitive end of the war, or at least, not on the Russian side of the conflict. He doesn't agree that D Day should be the formal day to commemorate the war.

Frankly the US waited a long time to join the war (due to isolationists at home not wanting to repeat WWI) - Europe and Russia had been struggling for a long time before our involvement.

[weltschmerz]

Jun 8, 2019 21:44:46 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I'm not sure Putin would have wanted to come.

He put out a statement saying that D Day wasn't the definitive end of the war, or at least, not on the Russian side of the conflict. He doesn't agree that D Day should be the formal day to commemorate the war.

Frankly the US waited a long time to join the war (due to isolationists at home not wanting to repeat WWI) - Europe and Russia had been struggling for a long time before our involvement.

Canada started fighting Hitler and his Nazis in 1939.

[kadee79]

The Empire of Japan attacked the United States on December 7, 1941, which was the first day of combat by the USA in the Second World War. The United States declared war on the Empire of Japan on December 8, 1941, formally entering the war in the Pacific. The German Reich declared war on the United States on December 11, bringing the USA into the war in Europe. The USA declared war on Germany later on the same day.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_declaration_of_war_against_the_United_States

[Value Buy]

Anyone think the reason Putin was not invited is simple.
Putin (Russia) has been accused of being involved with interferring with elections in Europe as well as military aggression in eastern Europe.
Why would Europe invite Putin under these circumstances.
This would be akin to Trump inviting Putin to D.C. in 2017 to the Inaugueral celebration.

[billisonboard]

Jun 9, 2019 9:02:09 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Anyone think the reason Putin was not invited is simple.
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I was thinking it was even simpler than that. The gathering was about D-Day. The Russians didn't participate in that event. If he were excluded next May 8th, I would consider that significant.

[Value Buy]

Jun 9, 2019 10:10:18 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jun 9, 2019 9:02:09 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Anyone think the reason Putin was not invited is simple.
...

I was thinking it was even simpler than that. The gathering was about D-Day. The Russians didn't participate in that event. If he were excluded next May 8th, I would consider that significant.

Good catch......sometimes the answer is really simple.......

[djAdvocate]

Jun 9, 2019 9:02:09 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Anyone think the reason Putin was not invited is simple.
Putin (Russia) has been accused of being involved with interferring with elections in Europe

and the US.

[dezii]

Jun 8, 2019 22:28:00 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

The Empire of Japan attacked the United States on December 7, 1941, which was the first day of combat by the USA in the Second World War. The United States declared war on the Empire of Japan on December 8, 1941, formally entering the war in the Pacific. The German Reich declared war on the United States on December 11, bringing the USA into the war in Europe. The USA declared war on Germany later on the same day.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_declaration_of_war_against_the_United_States

That declaration of War against USA was just another mistake by Hitler..of many..no need to make that declaration....even though we favored  Britain, there still is a difference between being at war against a country and not liking a country.

Barbarossa, changing bombing of Britains airfields to concentrate on the ciyies  cities, not allowing German commanders to strategic with draw when needed...Battle of the Bulge, giving orders for their new Jet aircraft to be built as bombers instead of fighters, naturally their paranoia on the Jews...lost some great ingenuity...think Einstein and other leading Physicist..possible gotten the bomb first...