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Post by TheOtherMe on Jun 6, 2019 17:51:44 GMT -5
My nephew transferred from one state college to a different state college when he finally figured out he wanted to be a teacher and the 2nd school was much better for education degrees. All of his credits didn't transfer because they didn't fit in to his program--and because he partied at the first school. He passed all of his courses but not with high enough grades for them to transfer.
He has graduated and will finish his 3rd year of teaching tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 19:18:02 GMT -5
Sorrry. I had trouble with the quotes so I will put my comment in bold.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jun 6, 2019 20:30:35 GMT -5
I decided to finally finish my Associates degree Science at a local CC this fall. I'm only 20 credits shy. Or so I thought. Over the years life has got in the way of finishing. I've gone to 3 different CC's so I contacted them and got my transcripts so I could take them in to admissions and show them I have prior credits. Imagine my surprise when they said my credits were "too old". Non transferable. 30+yrs too old. Ripoff. . What's the logic behind that? I'll bet it's just a way for them to money grab. Anyone else run into this? Every single person I know who went back to school to finish a degree program years later. I myself was had only one or two classes left to finish all course requirements for a phd. 15 years later I started over. I got 1.5 years of credit for my masters. But is this post serious or tongue in cheek? Rip van winkle, 30+ years...
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Post by ripvanwinkle on Jun 6, 2019 21:03:37 GMT -5
Ok, I'll concede a few things but really, has algebra math methods changed. Is there a "new math" way to do algebra equations? How about Art studies? What about biology? Does the human body have new organs I don't know about? Chemistry? English, writing and a few others I took that were "non technical" but were a credit course. Really stupid I think. Pure money grab.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 7:27:55 GMT -5
The stuff may not have changed, but do you actually remember any of it?
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Post by NastyWoman on Jun 7, 2019 10:04:50 GMT -5
Ok, I'll concede a few things but really, has algebra math methods changed. Is there a "new math" way to do algebra equations? How about Art studies? What about biology? Does the human body have new organs I don't know about? Chemistry? English, writing and a few others I took that were "non technical" but were a credit course. Really stupid I think. Pure money grab.
You really should have left biology off your list. I am quite sure a lot more has changed in that field than say, algebra, even though the human body did not grow new organs. Think about it...
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Post by phil5185 on Jun 7, 2019 13:26:57 GMT -5
Algebra hasn't changed in decades, I took algebra in the 1950s, the book was decades old at the time. Took lots more math in college (engineering), no changes. What has happened is that Lib Arts educators have added their spin to 'modern' math - taxi math, shanghi math, etc. Sorry, Lib Arts and math are different languages, when you mix them you get the worst of both. (Over my decades of engineering, I have taught my kids, kids friends, graankids, nephews, neices. I can see why kids have such low math scores in recent decades. Chemistry changes, several new elements - biology changes as our understanding grows. Pure calculus doesn't change but computers, writing code, etc, requires a new understanding of how to utilize derivatives, integrals, optimization analyses, etc. Ops Analysis, with today's granularity, changed drastically just during my 35 year engineering career. (when I worked on Apollo, we used slide rules, now spell-check doesn't even recognize sliderule, lol)
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Post by oped on Jun 7, 2019 13:35:13 GMT -5
Algebra is incorporated into a good mathematics program these days in early elementary. It is integral to mathematical understanding, not ‘a textbook’....
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Post by hoops902 on Jun 7, 2019 13:46:18 GMT -5
Ok so algebra hasn't changed in decades...are people actually getting college credit for taking an algebra class these days? It's been 20 years since I was starting college, but if you didn't know algebra back then you had to go to a remedial math class that was no credit just to get you ready for the math classes that offered college credit.
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Post by giramomma on Jun 7, 2019 14:01:07 GMT -5
Ok so algebra hasn't changed in decades...are people actually getting college credit for taking an algebra class these days? It's been 20 years since I was starting college, but if you didn't know algebra back then you had to go to a remedial math class that was no credit just to get you ready for the math classes that offered college credit. Define the level of algebra you are talking about...
Here's the topics from a 200 level algebra class at my alma mater.. Logic, sets, partial order and other relations, and functions. Concepts of mathematics (definitions, proofs, sets, functions, and relations) with a focus on discrete structures: integers, bits, strings, trees, and graphs. Propositional logic, Boolean algebra, and predicate logic. Mathematical induction and recursion. Invariants and algorithmic correctness. Recurrences and asymptotic growth analysis.
I don't know about you, but I didn't study this in high school. But I didn't do the honors/AP track for math, either.
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Post by Tiny on Jun 7, 2019 14:39:10 GMT -5
At the college level - the type (and difficulty) of the math class might be dictated by the degree. My "liberal arts" themed Information Technology degree requied me to take 2 course of Discrete Math and then a Business Calculus class. I don't do math. Well, ok, I do, but I'm not very good at getting the correct answer (actually I'm REALLY good at getting a different answer anytime I do actual math. I made my HS Algebra teacher almost cry as I could lay out all the correct steps to just about any problem but would screw up an addition (or subtraction) or transpose a number there by getting the wrong answer - on just about EVERY problem. ) That Business Calculus class was the most "remedial" math class I could take to fulfill the "math" requirement for my degree. I am forever thankful that it was a mostly watered down math class. Big illustrations, easy problems, and tests that mirrored the problems in the book. I was so stressed out by it, and it sucked up alot of my time doing homework (I suspect the less math challenged students completed the homework in under an hour...) I've seen actual calculus math books (friends in HS had calculus and AP calculus) and that Business Calculus class looked nothing at all like 'calculus'. I suspect there's different levels of Algebra as well. FWIW: I aced the Discrete Math courses with a moderate amount of time and effort. I got a B- in Business Calculus (even though I spent a lot of time and effort and stress on it).
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Post by hoops902 on Jun 7, 2019 14:44:21 GMT -5
Ok so algebra hasn't changed in decades...are people actually getting college credit for taking an algebra class these days? It's been 20 years since I was starting college, but if you didn't know algebra back then you had to go to a remedial math class that was no credit just to get you ready for the math classes that offered college credit. Define the level of algebra you are talking about...
Here's the topics from a 200 level algebra class at my alma mater.. Logic, sets, partial order and other relations, and functions. Concepts of mathematics (definitions, proofs, sets, functions, and relations) with a focus on discrete structures: integers, bits, strings, trees, and graphs. Propositional logic, Boolean algebra, and predicate logic. Mathematical induction and recursion. Invariants and algorithmic correctness. Recurrences and asymptotic growth analysis.
I don't know about you, but I didn't study this in high school. But I didn't do the honors/AP track for math, either.
Any level of algebra that isn't available only to math majors. They had introductory algebra which was no credit, and they had algebra available only to math majors which were 300+ level classes. I just checked out of curiosity, and it's still that way. We didn't have any AP/honors math at my HS when I was there, but we did cover a majority of that in Algebra 2 in HS. I'm also pretty sure Algebra 2 was probably harder than the remedial algebra in college which I think is probably just super basic to get you a base in the topic.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jun 7, 2019 14:56:54 GMT -5
You could learn that the moon is part of Mars--or is it?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 7, 2019 15:16:34 GMT -5
Ok, I'll concede a few things but really, has algebra math methods changed. Is there a "new math" way to do algebra equations? How about Art studies? What about biology? Does the human body have new organs I don't know about? Chemistry? English, writing and a few others I took that were "non technical" but were a credit course. Really stupid I think. Pure money grab.
Biology has changed quite a bit, so has chemistry. No we did not grow extra organs but our understanding of HOW the body works has increased dramatically over 30 years. While the basic math may not have changed how you calculate it often changes. I took statistics which is mostly done now via software whereas my bosses all learned to do it by hand. The university wants them to know how to use the software, saying "well I took statistics 30 years ago so I know my stuff" would not cut it. Your art classes may not have changed but what is likely is that a good majority of them no longer have an equivalent course to transfer in as. Colleges do not keep the same curriculum forever. The majority of your credits likely no longer meet current graduation requirements and colleges aren't going to take them just because. I'm not saying it isn't partially a money grab but we're talking 30 years here, it's unreasonable to assume that colleges are going to take credits that old. You may however be able to test out of some of those courses if you can prove you still remember what you learned. Did you ask about that possibility? Do you have working experience in the field you are trying to get this associate's in, some colleges offer adult learning programs that will accept work experience in place of college credits so you aren't having to take the same classes over again.
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Post by oped on Jun 7, 2019 15:33:55 GMT -5
My kid is at a tech heavy university. I swear they revamp curriculum constantly. Both his major and minor have shifted in small and large ways, his major twice in the last year! Constantly evolving.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 7, 2019 17:33:45 GMT -5
TD has been tutoring a kid in HS algebra. Now, between the 2 of us, between his chemical engineering degree and my almost PhD in Biostats, neither of us are slouches in the math department.
He called me over after one tutoring session (realize, 10th grade HS algebra) and asked me if I had ever seen any problems like this. I was utterly clueless. So was he, and he has taken a lot of math classes.
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Post by NastyWoman on Jun 7, 2019 17:43:35 GMT -5
TD has been tutoring a kid in HS algebra. Now, between the 2 of us, between his chemical engineering degree and my almost PhD in Biostats, neither of us are slouches in the math department. He called me over after one tutoring session (realize, 10th grade HS algebra) and asked me if I had ever seen any problems like this. I was utterly clueless. So was he, and he has taken a lot of math classes. During my last move (15 years ago now - I dread the idea of doing that again) I found a lot of papers I had written and exams I had taken while getting my degree in Chemistry. What can I say? It looked like I used to be really, really smart → hardly anything made any sense to me anymore. I had forgotten just about everything.
So I chucked the papers and now I am just basking in the "I used to know all that stuff" glory
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Post by Ava on Jun 8, 2019 19:30:09 GMT -5
Credits expiring in 5 years has been around for a very long time. After I graduated I took a year off before starting my MBA. Before I got accepted into the program, I had an interview with the dean and I had to discuss my credits with him. My oldest credits were from the community college where I started studying in 2007, and this was 2012. Those credits barely squeaked by. The dean told me if I had waited an extra semester, the oldest credits wouldn't count.
I think it makes sense to not accept old credits. Things change and even if they don't, you won't remember after such a long time
What was a huge ripoff was me going back for two undergraduate classes I needed to sit for the CPA, after graduating with my MBA. Even though the classes were undergraduate level, my school insisted in charging me graduate tuition, saying after you are a graduate you are always a graduate and we cannot charge you undergraduate tuition. That was in 2015 and I'm still angry. I should have walked away and look for alternative opportunities to fulfill my credits.
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Post by hoops902 on Jun 10, 2019 9:16:28 GMT -5
Credits expiring in 5 years has been around for a very long time. After I graduated I took a year off before starting my MBA. Before I got accepted into the program, I had an interview with the dean and I had to discuss my credits with him. My oldest credits were from the community college where I started studying in 2007, and this was 2012. Those credits barely squeaked by. The dean told me if I had waited an extra semester, the oldest credits wouldn't count. I think it makes sense to not accept old credits. Things change and even if they don't, you won't remember after such a long time What was a huge ripoff was me going back for two undergraduate classes I needed to sit for the CPA, after graduating with my MBA. Even though the classes were undergraduate level, my school insisted in charging me graduate tuition, saying after you are a graduate you are always a graduate and we cannot charge you undergraduate tuition. That was in 2015 and I'm still angry. I should have walked away and look for alternative opportunities to fulfill my credits. So maybe a bit more explanation because I'm not following. What credits wouldn't count? Were you trying to apply community college credits toward your MBA? You said you graduated, took a year off, then started your MBA. Credits expiring is pretty much always about the degree you're currently working on. It wouldn't normally have anything to do with going back for another degree later on. People graduate and go back from an MBA years or decades later, where or how long ago they got credits for their undergraduate degree isn't really relevant. Maybe I'm not following something.
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Post by nidena on Jun 10, 2019 9:39:12 GMT -5
Considering that computers weren't sitting in home offices in developed nations 30 years ago, I don't think it's unreasonable.
I think the only reason that my old and moldy credits kept getting accepted is because I never stopped pursuing undergrad courses for more than a year. Five schools and 25 years later, I graduated a month ago.
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Post by abovewater on Jun 11, 2019 18:40:49 GMT -5
My master's degree took a long time to finish. I was working full time and taking 1 or 2 classes per semester, but the department was in disarray for a couple years due to a large staff shake-up. The class schedule was a mess and there were a few semesters that they didn't offer any courses I needed. And my thesis...yikes. It took almost a year just to find an advisor and finalize the topic. A couple years later I was wrapping everything up, and I found out that the first two classes I had taken in the program were too old to apply to my degree! Thankfully there were some administrative tricks the office was willing to pull, but I almost lost it when I heard that my graduation application was being rejected. (to be fair, I cost myself at least 6 months because I wasn't asking the right questions re: curriculum, filing dates, class schedule etc... )
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Post by Sharon on Jun 11, 2019 21:52:17 GMT -5
DD graduated in the Spring of 2014 with a Bachelors of Science in Rangeland Ecology and Management. In 2016 she decided to go back to school for Nursing. Even though her Biology credits weren't 5 years old she was going to have to retake it because it would over 5 years before she would graduate. Basically she was having to start over with everything, even Writing 121. She went a couple of terms and said screw this and quit.
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Post by oped on Jun 11, 2019 22:03:10 GMT -5
DD graduated in the Spring of 2014 with a Bachelors of Science in Rangeland Ecology and Management. In 2016 she decided to go back to school for Nursing. Even though her Biology credits weren't 5 years old she was going to have to retake it because it would over 5 years before she would graduate. Basically she was having to start over with everything, even Writing 121. She went a couple of terms and said screw this and quit. That seems insane.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 11, 2019 22:12:26 GMT -5
DD graduated in the Spring of 2014 with a Bachelors of Science in Rangeland Ecology and Management. In 2016 she decided to go back to school for Nursing. Even though her Biology credits weren't 5 years old she was going to have to retake it because it would over 5 years before she would graduate. Basically she was having to start over with everything, even Writing 121. She went a couple of terms and said screw this and quit. That seems insane. I ran into something similar, but this was back around the time I started on my MS......in 1987. I figured with my biology and chemistry degree, I could go to pharmacy school, as I had a lot of the prerequisites. I already had a BS. Only problem was that I would need to take 12 credit hours in history along with some other liberal arts classes, which amounted to another 12 credit hours.....IOW, I had to go full time for a full year to only take classes that had nothing to do with a pharmacy degree. Nope, not gonna do that.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 12, 2019 6:43:26 GMT -5
DD graduated in the Spring of 2014 with a Bachelors of Science in Rangeland Ecology and Management. In 2016 she decided to go back to school for Nursing. Even though her Biology credits weren't 5 years old she was going to have to retake it because it would over 5 years before she would graduate. Basically she was having to start over with everything, even Writing 121. She went a couple of terms and said screw this and quit. That seems insane. I had the same thing happen when I looked into nursing school. They would accept most of my credits but I was still missing a ton of pre-reqs. Then they wanted me to retake classes like A&P and Organic Chemistry because while they did not consider the credits too old they told me that they weren't "rigorous" enough since I took them as part of a general biology degree. I had to retake them as "Nursing A&P" and "Nursing O-chem". They never really explained that logic because when I look at undergraduate programs the course numbers for O-chem are the same for all the majors including UNO which funnels most of the students into the programs here. I am guessing it more had to do with my stated major being "biology" instead of "pre-nursing". I'd be close to $70k in the hole by the time I got what amounted to another BS just to get admitted and then complete nursing school. At this stage in my life I was not going to get a good ROI, especially with the fact you are not allowed to work the four years you are in nursing school. No thank you. That's why I roll my eyes at the standard board answer of "have you looked into nursing?" anytime someone posts about going back to school. It isn't that simple.
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Post by resolution on Jun 12, 2019 8:39:36 GMT -5
One thing I was thankful for with my graduate program is that they didn't care that my bachelor's degree was 25 years old. They only cared that I had one from an accredited university and that I could pass an introductory course that tested my ability to write, do analysis, use various software programs, and evaluate situations with critical thinking.
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Post by Ava on Jun 13, 2019 12:04:46 GMT -5
Credits expiring in 5 years has been around for a very long time. After I graduated I took a year off before starting my MBA. Before I got accepted into the program, I had an interview with the dean and I had to discuss my credits with him. My oldest credits were from the community college where I started studying in 2007, and this was 2012. Those credits barely squeaked by. The dean told me if I had waited an extra semester, the oldest credits wouldn't count. I think it makes sense to not accept old credits. Things change and even if they don't, you won't remember after such a long time What was a huge ripoff was me going back for two undergraduate classes I needed to sit for the CPA, after graduating with my MBA. Even though the classes were undergraduate level, my school insisted in charging me graduate tuition, saying after you are a graduate you are always a graduate and we cannot charge you undergraduate tuition. That was in 2015 and I'm still angry. I should have walked away and look for alternative opportunities to fulfill my credits. So maybe a bit more explanation because I'm not following. What credits wouldn't count? Were you trying to apply community college credits toward your MBA? You said you graduated, took a year off, then started your MBA. Credits expiring is pretty much always about the degree you're currently working on. It wouldn't normally have anything to do with going back for another degree later on. People graduate and go back from an MBA years or decades later, where or how long ago they got credits for their undergraduate degree isn't really relevant. Maybe I'm not following something. The dean was auditing my credits to see if he could waive some classes. He said if I had waited another semester he couldn't even consider my oldest credits from 2007.
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