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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 13:53:39 GMT -5
... Anyone with a modicum of civic education knows that isn't happening. ... We're in agreement then. ... No, we aren't. If I am following you correctly, you are supporting your claim that it "isn't happening" because it hasn't happened in this country in its past. The problem with that arguement is the Presidency has never held the level of power that it currently holds and President Trump is pushing it to even higher levels. If the American people accept that trend and encourage it by reelecting him, then the result will be a dictatorship at some point in the future, IM(not so)HO of course. I supported my claim, at that time, because you referenced it to Trump, not general history. Going by the whole line I pulled your quote out of, in your post What you are adding now in clarification, I also agree with. We are on the path you describe, much too slowly for me to ever see it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 13:58:38 GMT -5
I have been afraid ever since he got in. It can happen and I think if he gets another 4 years it will happen. This mess he is creating is not sustainable and will crater. Our poor country that so many put so much into and so many died for, may end up another bankrupt casualty of the trump. Not a chance, in four years, for the reasons you state.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 14:07:18 GMT -5
Trump made use of the partisan divide in this country to gain the presidency.
If it wasn't him, it would of been someone else.
Look at Biden's platform so far, he's doing the same thing.
As long as each side mindlessly attacks the other, it will continue.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Jun 5, 2019 14:32:47 GMT -5
He only got in because he and Russian bots villanized Hillary. They made people hate her, she would have been an awesome president. We lost that opportunity.
Biden will make a good stable president, but needs a good VP he is really to old. Maybe he will do for the old white guys, if he is in 8 years, many of the old will die off, the demographics are really going to change in the next few years. I expect to see a lot of change in my life if I can live 10 to 20 more years.
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Post by tbop77 on Jun 5, 2019 14:51:36 GMT -5
Have conservatives had enough? Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) told reporters the party spent “almost our entire lunch” going back and forth with the administration and warned afterward “there is not much support in my conference for tariffs, that's for sure.” Summing up the mood of the lunch, Sen. James Lankford (R-Okla.) said, according to sources familiar with the matter: the administration "is trying to use tariffs to solve every problem but HIV and climate change.”www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republicans-threaten-revolt-may-block-trumps-mexico-tariffs/ar-AACoix1?ocid=spartandhpNope. Looks like conservatives will have to put him back in office in 2020 and remove some Republican in name only assholes at the same time. Your definition of conservative and mine are entirely different. I think you mean you will need to put more "party of Trump" in office and rid Congress of conservatives.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 5, 2019 15:49:46 GMT -5
He only got in because he and Russian bots villanized Hillary. They made people hate her, she would have been an awesome president. We lost that opportunity. Biden will make a good stable president, but needs a good VP he is really to old. Maybe he will do for the old white guys, if he is in 8 years, many of the old will die off, the demographics are really going to change in the next few years. I expect to see a lot of change in my life if I can live 10 to 20 more years. I see you are sticking to the collusion theory. Sad.
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Post by Opti on Jun 5, 2019 15:54:06 GMT -5
He only got in because he and Russian bots villanized Hillary. They made people hate her, she would have been an awesome president. We lost that opportunity. Biden will make a good stable president, but needs a good VP he is really to old. Maybe he will do for the old white guys, if he is in 8 years, many of the old will die off, the demographics are really going to change in the next few years. I expect to see a lot of change in my life if I can live 10 to 20 more years. I see you are sticking to the collusion theory. Sad. WTE? The Russian bots did make a difference. Its stupid to pretend they did not. Saying they and Trump trashed Hillary does not make it collusion. It merely points out both were doing similar things.
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Post by oped on Jun 5, 2019 15:54:49 GMT -5
Whether or not mueller amassed sufficient evidence to charge conspiracy, the evidence that Russia attacked the election and exerted influence is overwhealming and incontrovertible...
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 5, 2019 16:14:30 GMT -5
... We are on the path you describe, much too slowly for me to ever see it. Time will tell.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Jun 5, 2019 16:53:24 GMT -5
I think one day all this stuff will come to a head and it will just implode.
But then it could just meander along for awhile. But no matter what, he is in 4 more years, our America will not be recognizable or desirable.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 5, 2019 17:17:19 GMT -5
I think one day all this stuff will come to a head and it will just implode. But then it could just meander along for awhile. But no matter what, he is in 4 more years, our America will not be recognizable or desirable. Seaskn 3 of Handmaid's Tale tonight. The future may be Gilead. The good news is zero emissions.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Jun 6, 2019 13:43:35 GMT -5
Let's get those tariffs on, let her rip, go to 25% for China and Mexico. Economists are saying by year end if they do we will be in a recession. I saw today on Bloomberg exports are down 50% for the last month, sounds awfully high , but maybe. I would be surprised if it craters by year end but that's a huge price hike for consumers so maybe so.
Anyway, get it done, get it over with so we can get the screwball out of the White House and we can start rebuilding this country. We sure have a lot to do, repair relations with our allies and everyone else.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 6, 2019 13:56:33 GMT -5
Whether or not mueller amassed sufficient evidence to charge conspiracy, the evidence that Russia attacked the election and exerted influence is overwhealming and incontrovertible... Moving the goal posts I see. The inverstigation was about collusion by Trump, his election campaign, and his actual Cabinet members as well as Russian interference. None, not one person connected to Trump was found to have done any collusion, let alone a charge for collusion. This is what the American public as a whole was interested in. As far as possible conspiracy to interfere, with the investigation since there was no collusion America did not give a rat's ass whether there was or not because they recognized it was all smoke and mirrors and a coup attempt.
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Post by oped on Jun 6, 2019 14:21:43 GMT -5
You might have thought that. You seem to think a lot of dubious things...
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Post by phil5185 on Jun 6, 2019 14:30:34 GMT -5
""" the evidence that Russia attacked the election and exerted influence is overwhealming and incontrovertible..."""
I doubt the " incontrovertible" part - but say that it is true. Don't all countries have the right to exert influence on other nations' elections? Aren't we free to campaign, make negative speeches about Canada, EU, UK, etc, as long as we don't do anything illegal? Let Russia 'exert influence', so what?
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Post by dezii on Jun 6, 2019 14:45:28 GMT -5
He only got in because he and Russian bots villanized Hillary. They made people hate her, she would have been an awesome president. We lost that opportunity. Biden will make a good stable president, but needs a good VP he is really to old. Maybe he will do for the old white guys, if he is in 8 years, many of the old will die off, the demographics are really going to change in the next few years. I expect to see a lot of change in my life if I can live 10 to 20 more years. I see you are sticking to the collusion theory. Sad. The only thing and saddest thing is your continue support for the Donald......Really Sad.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 6, 2019 14:50:00 GMT -5
""" the evidence that Russia attacked the election and exerted influence is overwhealming and incontrovertible..."""
I doubt the " incontrovertible" part - but say that it is true. Don't all countries have the right to exert influence on other nations' elections? Aren't we free to campaign, make negative speeches about Canada, EU, UK, etc, as long as we don't do anything illegal? Let Russia 'exert influence', so what?
Here is a link to Russian actions. I suggest those who aren't familiar with the details read it.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 6, 2019 15:55:15 GMT -5
""" the evidence that Russia attacked the election and exerted influence is overwhealming and incontrovertible..."""
I doubt the " incontrovertible" part - but say that it is true. Don't all countries have the right to exert influence on other nations' elections? Aren't we free to campaign, make negative speeches about Canada, EU, UK, etc, as long as we don't do anything illegal? Let Russia 'exert influence', so what?
But Russia did break laws.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 6, 2019 18:53:54 GMT -5
Since everyone is worried about the price they will be paying this summer on tomatoes, I suggest everyone head to Home Depot, Wal Mart, Lowes, etc and buy some tomato plants. Everyone can enjoy theit "freedom tomatoes" later this summer. Easy to grow them anywhere, even in pots on patios! Just planted 12 plants in the back yard. Might have to set up a stand out on the street this summer and cash in!
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 6, 2019 19:22:11 GMT -5
Since everyone is worried about the price they will be paying this summer on tomatoes, I suggest everyone head to Home Depot, Wal Mart, Lowes, etc and buy some tomato plants. Everyone can enjoy theit "freedom tomatoes" later this summer. Easy to grow them anywhere, even in pots on patios! Just planted 12 plants in the back yard. Might have to set up a stand out on the street this summer and cash in! Victory garden
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Post by countrygirl2 on Jun 6, 2019 19:58:03 GMT -5
Mine is already out. Tomatoes, bell peppers, eggplants, jalapeno, cabbage, beets, green beans, onions, okra, and cucumbers. Hubs put out soaker hoses, weed block, and straw, its set up on timers. And hubs fertilized the garden with turkey manure and the plants are looking really good so far. But its much smaller then normal. I really don't need to can much beans this year nor some other items.
We can buy local produce, hopefully this summer, corn, watermelon, cantaloupe, peaches, apples. And we can buy meat local, so should not hurt us. But it will many IF they are implemented.
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Post by tbop77 on Jun 7, 2019 5:06:00 GMT -5
Since everyone is worried about the price they will be paying this summer on tomatoes, I suggest everyone head to Home Depot, Wal Mart, Lowes, etc and buy some tomato plants. Everyone can enjoy theit "freedom tomatoes" later this summer. Easy to grow them anywhere, even in pots on patios! Just planted 12 plants in the back yard. Might have to set up a stand out on the street this summer and cash in! I was thinking that big middle class tax cut he promised before the mid-term elections last year would come in handy to afford tomatoes.....oh wait
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Post by tbop77 on Jun 7, 2019 6:47:40 GMT -5
Better get your cars, appliances and furniture planted too!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 6:57:02 GMT -5
... We are on the path you describe, much too slowly for me to ever see it. Time will tell. It will. I don't know if your noticing, but he backtracks on most of his tariff applications, basically doing nothing. My reason for saying his maneuvers are mediocre at best.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 7:02:48 GMT -5
He only got in because he and Russian bots villanized Hillary. They made people hate her, she would have been an awesome president. We lost that opportunity. Biden will make a good stable president, but needs a good VP he is really to old. Maybe he will do for the old white guys, if he is in 8 years, many of the old will die off, the demographics are really going to change in the next few years. I expect to see a lot of change in my life if I can live 10 to 20 more years. Negative campaigning is part of the game. You seem to be ok with it when it's Biden.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 7, 2019 7:21:08 GMT -5
""" the evidence that Russia attacked the election and exerted influence is overwhealming and incontrovertible..."""
I doubt the " incontrovertible" part - but say that it is true. Don't all countries have the right to exert influence on other nations' elections? Aren't we free to campaign, make negative speeches about Canada, EU, UK, etc, as long as we don't do anything illegal? Let Russia 'exert influence', so what?
Sure you can write an op ed in your Russian newspaper about how horrible liberal democracy is.
Covertly creating fake organizations pretending to be American - like the Tennessee GOP party - and posting fake racist news stories in social media designed to cause civil unrest? Illegal.
If our POTUS really cared about this, we'd be doing something about it, but since Putin's efforts were to try to get Trump elected, Putin is Trump's BFF.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 7:21:10 GMT -5
I think one day all this stuff will come to a head and it will just implode. But then it could just meander along for awhile. But no matter what, he is in 4 more years, our America will not be recognizable or desirable. As in the country was fundamentally changed by Obama, and now it's going back ? I will still desire to live here when Trump gets 4 more. I expect little change, if any.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 7, 2019 7:26:24 GMT -5
Since everyone is worried about the price they will be paying this summer on tomatoes, I suggest everyone head to Home Depot, Wal Mart, Lowes, etc and buy some tomato plants. Everyone can enjoy theit "freedom tomatoes" later this summer. Easy to grow them anywhere, even in pots on patios! Just planted 12 plants in the back yard. Might have to set up a stand out on the street this summer and cash in! I was thinking that big middle class tax cut he promised before the mid-term elections last year would come in handy to afford tomatoes.....oh wait I'm wondering how long it will take the Trumpettes to do the math and figure that out for themselves.
Pretty easy to determine we still don't have cheap and beautiful healthcare insurance for everyone, or a magnificent infrastructure plan, or a Wall.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Jun 7, 2019 9:55:11 GMT -5
jma 23 you are putting words in my mouth. Where did I say its ok for Biden to use negative advertising. Even so there is negative and there is character assassination.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Jun 7, 2019 9:58:49 GMT -5
I saw an article that said the small tax breaks average Americans got have already been undone by his tariffs.
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