"Go Fund Me " funds building Donalds wall...[ok with me]

[dezii]

It seems some of the wall is being built with "Good Fund Me" donations….I have no problem with that as I have no problem of any donations made to the country by individuals or groups...
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www.yahoo.com/news/bannon-built-the-wall-over-the-weekend-140449962.html

[billisonboard]

Interesting. Of course the is going to be in the long term details of having a privately built section of wall along the border.

[Wisconsin Beth]

I didn't read the entire article but I'm assuming that the assorted permits weren't filed since they were doing this as a surprise or whatever. 

[busymom]

Ok, so I'm thinking of a bunch of potential problems here.  Permits.  Safety issues.  If a section of that wall falls, and hurts someone, since it's being privately built, who is liable?  And, what if those building the wall aren't welcome on someone's property, and firearms are used to chase them off of private property?  The options are endless here...  

[Wisconsin Beth]

May 28, 2019 9:23:53 GMT -5 busymom said:

Ok, so I'm thinking of a bunch of potential problems here.  Permits.  Safety issues.  If a section of that wall falls, and hurts someone, since it's being privately built, who is liable?  And, what if those building the wall aren't welcome on someone's property, and firearms are used to chase them off of private property?  The options are endless here...  

Yep.  From Dezi's link:

The group hastily “purchased the rights” to the land and went at it Friday evening. “We had to catch them by surprise,” says Bannon, who predicts residents are “gonna freak out” when they see what was erected over the past two days.

[dezii]

May 28, 2019 9:31:46 GMT -5 Wisconsin Beth said:

May 28, 2019 9:23:53 GMT -5 busymom said:

Ok, so I'm thinking of a bunch of potential problems here.  Permits.  Safety issues.  If a section of that wall falls, and hurts someone, since it's being privately built, who is liable?  And, what if those building the wall aren't welcome on someone's property, and firearms are used to chase them off of private property?  The options are endless here...  

Yep.  From Dezi's link:

The group hastily “purchased the rights” to the land and went at it Friday evening. “We had to catch them by surprise,” says Bannon, who predicts residents are “gonna freak out” when they see what was erected over the past two days.

Believe that is answering concerns on permits and land usage....As far a construction of / quality of...am guessing it was built with accepted specs followed...

[kadee79]

And now this....

The mayor of Sunland Park, New Mexico, has issued a cease-and-desist order to a private group that raised millions to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

The wall is being constructed by We Build The Wall, a private organization which began a GoFundMe fundraiser in December 2018 when President Donald Trump faced opposition from Congress in receiving a proposed $5 billion to construct the barrier.

To date, the group has raised over $22 million of a $1 billion goal, of which the group's leader, Air Force veteran Brian Kolfage, said has been established only because that is the highest monetary allotment that GoFundMe allows for a fundraiser.

The cease-and-desist order was issued on Tuesday after it was determined that the group did not have the proper permits for construction, city spokesperson Peter Ibardo told The Texas Tribune. 


“The city has not provided any permits, it has not approved of the construction that has gone up already. They built the structure without authority or any building permits from the city," Ibardo said.

www.newsweek.com/new-mexico-mayor-orders-group-building-border-wall-private-land-stop-1437760

[laterbloomer]

Out of curiosity is there a lot of illegal crossing where they built the piece of wall.

[thyme4change]

Do you think he checked the legal status of all the crew? How hilarious would it be if he used undocumented labor?

[countrygirl2]

I'm sure they are using undocumented. I read the same article they have issued them a desist order, bet they are ignoring it.  I was going to say what fool would build anything for trump.


One of the rally cities he went to down there he owes over $400k for police, etc and his group hasn't paid it.

[Wisconsin Beth]

May 29, 2019 11:16:20 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Out of curiosity is there a lot of illegal crossing where they built the piece of wall.

Supposedly they asked where the heaviest crossing area was and were directed to this area. 

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

May 29, 2019 12:34:38 GMT -5 Wisconsin Beth said:

May 29, 2019 11:16:20 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Out of curiosity is there a lot of illegal crossing where they built the piece of wall.

Supposedly they asked where the heaviest crossing area was and were directed to this area. 

Wouldn't it be funny if the boarder patrol directed them there just to get them out of their hair and there are zero illegals coming from there?

I know if I was a boarder agent I wouldn't want a bunch of Go Fund me yahoos running around while I am trying to do my job.  I certainly wouldn't direct them to a high traffic area and risk one of them getting attacked or worse then suing my ass.

[thyme4change]

May 29, 2019 12:34:38 GMT -5 Wisconsin Beth said:

May 29, 2019 11:16:20 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Out of curiosity is there a lot of illegal crossing where they built the piece of wall.

Supposedly they asked where the heaviest crossing area was and were directed to this area. 

They probably asked the guy who owned the land, and then paid him for that land. Lol

[Wisconsin Beth]

Per Dezi's article

He says his group asked local authorities what is the most dangerous part of the border with Mexico, and they were pointed to this precarious mountain strip, “where the cartels and asylum seekers are coming in” through a gap between two 21-mile strips of completed wall.

[thyme4change]

May 29, 2019 13:18:48 GMT -5 Wisconsin Beth said:

Per Dezi's article

He says his group asked local authorities what is the most dangerous part of the border with Mexico, and they were pointed to this precarious mountain strip, “where the cartels and asylum seekers are coming in” through a gap between two 21-mile strips of completed wall.

Local authorities, or the militia vigilante group that patrols the area and detains immigrants and put video of it online, and are also affiliated with the group?

[djAdvocate]

May 29, 2019 12:27:42 GMT -5 countrygirl2 said:

I'm sure they are using undocumented. I read the same article they have issued them a desist order, bet they are ignoring it.  I was going to say what fool would build anything for trump.


One of the rally cities he went to down there he owes over $400k for police, etc and his group hasn't paid it.

if they are building without permits, they are going to have to level it.

[dezii]

May 29, 2019 14:05:08 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

(CNN)City officials in Sunland Park, New Mexico, have delivered a "cease and desist" order to the owners of land where a private border wall is being built.

The project doesn't have proper permits to proceed because an application filed was incomplete, Sunland Park spokesman Peter Ibarbo told CNN.

"The rules apply to everyone," Ibarbo said. "That's the process."
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www.cnn.com/2019/05/29/us/private-border-wall-permits/index.html

[countrygirl2]

I don't think they can do that anyway without the Corps of Engineers involved can they?


I mean it won't have all the requirements the rest is supposed to have.  This is an example of putting money down a rathole.


Privately funded border wall built at El Paso: 'Why wouldn't we allow it?' land owner asks



Aaron Martinez, El Paso Times Published 12:39 p.m. MT May 27, 2019 | Updated 5:48 p.m. MT May 27, 2019

The article explains its a half mile segment they built with it going 7 ft deep and 20 ft high with sensors.  It goes up a 300 ft incline, they said hundreds of illegals go across it.  The owner of a brick company there let them do it. $6 to $8 million dollars?  The Fisher guy built it. I guess it attaches 2 other sections, they said this gap was left because it was to rugged to build on.

[thyme4change]

In my town, technically you can't replace an old ceiling fan with a nee ceiling fan without getting a permit. I believe that applies to all political parties. I can't see how building a 10 foot wall would be exempt.

[billisonboard]

May 29, 2019 15:20:55 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

In my town, technically you can't replace an old ceiling fan with a nee ceiling fan without getting a permit. I believe that applies to all political parties. I can't see how building a 10 foot wall would be exempt.

I can if it isn't "in" town" and it is in Texas.

[countrygirl2]

Yeah, not a lot is enforced down there except in HOA's.  That's why they have so many, Houston doesn't even have zoning! Most places had no building codes. 

In this instance I doubt anything can be done.  Let it go, private owners can do whatever, they have enough money sounds like for 3 1/2 mile segments.  That guy said he had been assaulted had issues with his business.  He said that section left out funneled them through his property.  But he owned a 1/2 mile?  Quite a bit of land.

[thyme4change]

May 29, 2019 16:10:55 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

May 29, 2019 15:20:55 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

In my town, technically you can't replace an old ceiling fan with a nee ceiling fan without getting a permit. I believe that applies to all political parties. I can't see how building a 10 foot wall would be exempt.

I can if it isn't "in" town" and it is in Texas.

It isn't in Texas, and the land is part of the city of Sunland Park.

[countrygirl2]

Ok, now that makes a difference I would think.

[Tennesseer]

Don't build where you don't have permission or authority.

Government agency forces open private border wall gate

A federal agency has forced open a gate in the privately funded wallnear the US-Mexico border, saying the group that built it didn't follow proper permitting procedures.

The US section of the International Boundary and Water Commission says the gate was blocking a government-owned levee road, and that the group known as We Build the Wall constructed the gate on federal land without authority.

"It's not the border wall that we have a problem with," spokeswoman Lori Kuczmanski said. "The problem is the gate is on federal property. You just can't come in and build a gate on somebody's property without asking -- especially not giving them the keys and walking away from it. It's not right."

Representatives of the commission locked the gate open Monday afternoon, she said.

Full article here: agency forces open private border wall gate

[thyme4change]

Amazing that something done by amateurs in a hasty fashion is not right.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 11, 2019 21:49:21 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Don't build where you don't have permission or authority.

Government agency forces open private border wall gate

A federal agency has forced open a gate in the privately funded wallnear the US-Mexico border, saying the group that built it didn't follow proper permitting procedures.

The US section of the International Boundary and Water Commission says the gate was blocking a government-owned levee road, and that the group known as We Build the Wall constructed the gate on federal land without authority.

"It's not the border wall that we have a problem with," spokeswoman Lori Kuczmanski said. "The problem is the gate is on federal property. You just can't come in and build a gate on somebody's property without asking -- especially not giving them the keys and walking away from it. It's not right."

Representatives of the commission locked the gate open Monday afternoon, she said.

Full article here: agency forces open private border wall gate

so, the gate is on federal land, but the wall is not.

the STATE should have trouble with the unpermitted wall on private land.

I can't even build a fence without a permit.