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Post by hurley1980 on Jun 10, 2019 17:09:48 GMT -5
But with the anti-abortion laws put in place lately, you have just converted females from equal to males to prey for male hunters. You like a female and she wants nothing to do with you? No problem → get her pregnant against her will and she will have to deal with you forever after. That'll teach the b*tch!
They are making females the place to "plant your flag" as they do in the little boys game.
Isn't that inline with what females can do? I would never consider abortion so if my boyfriend had gotten me pregnant, he would have had no say in the matter. I could have just poked holes in his condoms and he would have been none the wiser. I wouldn't have done that because I'm not a freaking psycho but I've ready stories about that being done. So, in reality, when it comes to being stuck with a child you do not want, it actually is more equal. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but did you just compare poking holes in condoms, to being friggin preyed upon and raped??!?!
Also, if that guy doesn't really want to have a kid with you....he could just not have sex with you. The female rape victim doesn't get that option.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 10, 2019 18:21:24 GMT -5
Isn't that inline with what females can do? I would never consider abortion so if my boyfriend had gotten me pregnant, he would have had no say in the matter. I could have just poked holes in his condoms and he would have been none the wiser. I wouldn't have done that because I'm not a freaking psycho but I've ready stories about that being done. So, in reality, when it comes to being stuck with a child you do not want, it actually is more equal. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but did you just compare poking holes in condoms, to being friggin preyed upon and raped??!?!
Also, if that guy doesn't really want to have a kid with you....he could just not have sex with you. The female rape victim doesn't get that option.
There is more than one way to have an unwanted child. In the end, it is still an unwanted child that one person could be stuck supporting for 18 years with zero say. Admittedly, I didn’t read the post I was replying to closely enough to realize she was talking about rape. But in the end, I stand by my statement that if a man doesn’t want a child a woman can find ways to trap him, even if he tries to protect himself. I find that unfair but I know it’s only a man so who cares
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 10, 2019 20:00:34 GMT -5
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but did you just compare poking holes in condoms, to being friggin preyed upon and raped??!?!
Also, if that guy doesn't really want to have a kid with you....he could just not have sex with you. The female rape victim doesn't get that option.
There is more than one way to have an unwanted child. In the end, it is still an unwanted child that one person could be stuck supporting for 18 years with zero say. Admittedly, I didn’t read the post I was replying to closely enough to realize she was talking about rape. But in the end, I stand by my statement that if a man doesn’t want a child a woman can find ways to trap him, even if he tries to protect himself. I find that unfair but I know it’s only a man so who cares With these new laws, the other one has a 18 year plus 9 month obligation with zero say.
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Post by kadee79 on Jun 11, 2019 11:43:20 GMT -5
If a man doesn't want a child, he needs to learn to keep his penis in his pants or learn how to take precautions on his own. And as I told my son years ago...NEVER trust a woman's word that she is on birth control. You do the prevention yourself or you don't have intercourse....oral sex will work.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 11, 2019 13:44:15 GMT -5
If a man doesn't want a child, he needs to learn to keep his penis in his pants or learn how to take precautions on his own. And as I told my son years ago... NEVER trust a woman's word that she is on birth control. You do the prevention yourself or you don't have intercourse....oral sex will work. That's why I don't trust male birth control pills. "Trust me baby, we don't need condoms! I'm on the pill!"
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 11, 2019 15:09:21 GMT -5
If a man doesn't want a child, he needs to learn to keep his penis in his pants or learn how to take precautions on his own. And as I told my son years ago... NEVER trust a woman's word that she is on birth control. You do the prevention yourself or you don't have intercourse....oral sex will work. That's why I don't trust male birth control pills. "Trust me baby, we don't need condoms! I'm on the pill!" I told DH to never rely on the woman - she might think she's infertile (or say she is) or that she's on the pill (and isn't, or didn't take it correctly).
Double protection is required, I told him, or else he had to be prepared to drop out of school and get a job so he could support his kid. And I bought a mega sized box of condoms to send with him to college.
I embarrassed the crap out of him, so clearly I did my job as mom.
Still not a grandma, so apparently the message took.
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Post by justme on Jun 11, 2019 15:25:02 GMT -5
That's why I don't trust male birth control pills. "Trust me baby, we don't need condoms! I'm on the pill!" I told DH to never rely on the woman - she might think she's infertile (or say she is) or that she's on the pill (and isn't, or didn't take it correctly).
Double protection is required, I told him, or else he had to be prepared to drop out of school and get a job so he could support his kid. And I bought a mega sized box of condoms to send with him to college.
I embarrassed the crap out of him, so clearly I did my job as mom.
Still not a grandma, so apparently the message took.
Snort. I know what your saying, but your typo makes it sound like you're also your DH's mom.
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Post by kadee79 on Jun 11, 2019 16:00:45 GMT -5
That's why I don't trust male birth control pills. "Trust me baby, we don't need condoms! I'm on the pill!" I told DH to never rely on the woman - she might think she's infertile (or say she is) or that she's on the pill (and isn't, or didn't take it correctly).
Double protection is required, I told him, or else he had to be prepared to drop out of school and get a job so he could support his kid. And I bought a mega sized box of condoms to send with him to college.
I embarrassed the crap out of him, so clearly I did my job as mom.
Still not a grandma, so apparently the message took.
I didn't send my son with a large box of condoms, but I did buy him his first ones & made him replace the one in his wallet every 2 wks. to month...in case it had gotten worn in any spots by being in that wallet. He joined the military so he was on his own then. I have embarrassed him though with different things I sent him over the years. But I didn't get any grand kids until after he had been married for 2 yrs. I did get a call on his wedding night asking if a woman could get pregnant at "that time of the month"...to which my reply was..."Son, that's how I got you!" Then he said it was too late & I wanted to know why he had bothered to call me then? He was in Hawaii & I was in Ga., it was the middle of the night here when he called.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 11, 2019 16:23:09 GMT -5
I told DH to never rely on the woman - she might think she's infertile (or say she is) or that she's on the pill (and isn't, or didn't take it correctly).
Double protection is required, I told him, or else he had to be prepared to drop out of school and get a job so he could support his kid. And I bought a mega sized box of condoms to send with him to college.
I embarrassed the crap out of him, so clearly I did my job as mom.
Still not a grandma, so apparently the message took.
Snort. I know what your saying, but your typo makes it sound like you're also your DH's mom. Oops - DS not DH!
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Post by justme on Jun 11, 2019 16:27:03 GMT -5
I told DH to never rely on the woman - she might think she's infertile (or say she is) or that she's on the pill (and isn't, or didn't take it correctly).
Double protection is required, I told him, or else he had to be prepared to drop out of school and get a job so he could support his kid. And I bought a mega sized box of condoms to send with him to college.
I embarrassed the crap out of him, so clearly I did my job as mom.
Still not a grandma, so apparently the message took.
I didn't send my son with a large box of condoms, but I did buy him his first ones & made him replace the one in his wallet every 2 wks. to month...in case it had gotten worn in any spots by being in that wallet. He joined the military so he was on his own then. I have embarrassed him though with different things I sent him over the years. But I didn't get any grand kids until after he had been married for 2 yrs. I did get a call on his wedding night asking if a woman could get pregnant at "that time of the month"...to which my reply was..."Son, that's how I got you!" Then he said it was too late & I wanted to know why he had bothered to call me then? He was in Hawaii & I was in Ga., it was the middle of the night here when he called.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jun 11, 2019 16:27:23 GMT -5
Well good thing everyone is on board with lecturing young men on how much women can't be trusted.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 11, 2019 16:56:45 GMT -5
If a man doesn't want a child, he needs to learn to keep his penis in his pants or learn how to take precautions on his own. And as I told my son years ago... NEVER trust a woman's word that she is on birth control. You do the prevention yourself or you don't have intercourse....oral sex will work. That's why I don't trust male birth control pills. "Trust me baby, we don't need condoms! I'm on the pill!" That's why we need mandatory vasectomies or to get Vasagel working (which will come with a mark, like a tattoo at the injection site).
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 11, 2019 20:24:40 GMT -5
Well good thing everyone is on board with lecturing young men on how much women can't be trusted. Yet these are the same people insisting women absolutely must be believed when they accuse a man of something. We can’t trust a women not to lie about birth control but suddenly when she lobs an accusation she is to believed?!?!lol
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Post by steff on Jun 11, 2019 21:52:33 GMT -5
Well good thing everyone is on board with lecturing young men on how much women can't be trusted. I didn't tell my son women couldn't be trusted, but I did tell him that HE was responsible for anything (pardon the TMI) coming from him. He shouldn't and can't expect someone else to carry the burden of protection if he's not willing to do the same. I did however stress that any girl who encourages him to not use protection shouldn't really be on his list of things to "do" & that it's a recipe for disaster.
I did buy him his first box of condoms, made sure he knew where we kept "extras" as a backup & I still to this day (he just turned 25) give him a box of condoms in his Christmas stocking. I will add that he has already asked me if I'm okay with never being a grandma and I'm perfectly fine with that. He already sees both of my brothers with no kids. He's the only child/grandchild on my side. I wouldn't be surprised if he never has children.
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Post by kadee79 on Jun 12, 2019 0:04:31 GMT -5
Well good thing everyone is on board with lecturing young men on how much women can't be trusted. Yet these are the same people insisting women absolutely must be believed when they accuse a man of something. We can’t trust a women not to lie about birth control but suddenly when she lobs an accusation she is to believed?!?!lol Birth control & rape/sexual assault are 2 entirely different subjects.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 12, 2019 3:34:53 GMT -5
Yet these are the same people insisting women absolutely must be believed when they accuse a man of something. We can’t trust a women not to lie about birth control but suddenly when she lobs an accusation she is to believed?!?!lol Birth control & rape/sexual assault are 2 entirely different subjects. A person is either honest and believable or they are not. Honesty isn’t subject based
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 12, 2019 8:44:22 GMT -5
As usual, you are twisting what I said. I believe my daughter because she is my daughter. I do not believe other people without evidence. and that goes for no matter what the crime is. that is the basis of our justice system. Innocent until proven guilty. Is it not like that in your country? Are people assumed guilty until proven innocent? But what happens if the rapist's lawyer gets the attacker off? Do you still believe your daughter? Or is she now a liar since he was "proven not-guilty"? And if there is a child would you be ok with forcing her to co-parent with this "not-guilty" male?
Will you welcome him into your home for Xmas celebrations to make sue he can assert his full parental "rights"?
Really, you don't get to pick and chose when you get to decide other people's lives. My daughter → the scumbag, no way. Someone else → well she what exactly
Never in anything I posted did I say I would expect different treatment for my daughter. I was saying that I would always believe my daughter because I know and love her. That isn’t the same as a jury believing her. i would be furious if he was found not guilty. I would also be furious is someone stole money from my daughter but was found not guilt. So I’m not sure what your point is But short of fleeing in the middle of the night with my grandchild, we would have to share custody. I’m divorced and I’ve never opened my home to my ex for the holidays. I’ve never heard of any judge mandating that in a custody dispute.
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Post by hurley1980 on Jun 12, 2019 11:34:53 GMT -5
Well good thing everyone is on board with lecturing young men on how much women can't be trusted. Yet these are the same people insisting women absolutely must be believed when they accuse a man of something. We can’t trust a women not to lie about birth control but suddenly when she lobs an accusation she is to believed?!?!lol Maybe I'm wrong, because its hard to tell through text, but you seem to really dislike women.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 12, 2019 16:37:24 GMT -5
Well good thing everyone is on board with lecturing young men on how much women can't be trusted. Not that young women can't be trusted. My point to DS was that BC fails, so always use two types. Even if the girl says she's on BC, she could still get pregnant. She might forget a dose. (I had a friend who would forget for a week, then take a whole week's worth of pills in one day ) After three invitro fertilization attempts my little sister was told she couldn't get pregnant. Now I have a nephew who shouldn't exist (and no IVF involved, either - totally natural). Accidents happen with the best intentions. Double bag it.
I also had a friend (a male) who thought a woman couldn't get pregnant if she had sex standing up. Another one who thought women were only fertile 3 days a month, and that everyone lied about that to try to keep girls from having sex. Then there was the guy who thought women peed from their vaginas. Lots of misinformation about sex and fertility out there - also lots of accidental babies.
But the main thing was that I wanted DS to understand if he fathered a baby, he wasn't walking away from it. I wasn't raising it for him. He was dropping out of school and raising it himself, unless he and the young lady agreed to give it up for adoption. He was not going to litter the SE with little Happys that other people had to raise.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 12, 2019 16:45:27 GMT -5
Well good thing everyone is on board with lecturing young men on how much women can't be trusted. Yet these are the same people insisting women absolutely must be believed when they accuse a man of something. We can’t trust a women not to lie about birth control but suddenly when she lobs an accusation she is to believed?!?!lol A woman can be misinformed about BC or fertility and believe she can't get pregnant (or can be taking the BC pill and still get pregnant anyway).
This is not in any way the same as a woman testifying about being raped.
One is a belief. The other is an event.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 12, 2019 17:51:58 GMT -5
Yet these are the same people insisting women absolutely must be believed when they accuse a man of something. We can’t trust a women not to lie about birth control but suddenly when she lobs an accusation she is to believed?!?!lol Maybe I'm wrong, because its hard to tell through text, but you seem to really dislike women. Lol! I really don’t dislike women at all. I do think that the pendulum has swung too far the other way and now the woman is to always be believed or you are accused disliking women. Both sexes lie. I never, ever want to be sent to jail when the only evidence is the word of someone else. I would be just as vehemently opposed if it was a woman being charged I was honestl horrors reading the words of some of the woman on here and on Facebook when the kabanaugh investigation was going on. More than one woman said “I knew men like him, of course he is guilty”. And these are not uneducated women. As a society that should horrify us but it doesn’t because we are talking abut white males. I totally get that it is hard to prove rape. But that doesn’t mean we should lower our standards of how to convict.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 12, 2019 19:03:38 GMT -5
That's why I don't trust male birth control pills. "Trust me baby, we don't need condoms! I'm on the pill!" I told DH to never rely on the woman - she might think she's infertile (or say she is) or that she's on the pill (and isn't, or didn't take it correctly).
Double protection is required, I told him, or else he had to be prepared to drop out of school and get a job so he could support his kid. And I bought a mega sized box of condoms to send with him to college.
I embarrassed the crap out of him, so clearly I did my job as mom.
Still not a grandma, so apparently the message took.
Please tell me how a women saying she is on the pill but isn't (bolded above) could be anything other than you saying a woman would be lying about being on birth control. Yes, your next comment was that she might not take it correctly but that first statement is saying that a woman might lie about being on the pill. Or do you honestly believe a woman might think she is on the pill when she actually isn't??
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 12, 2019 19:06:54 GMT -5
Yet these are the same people insisting women absolutely must be believed when they accuse a man of something. We can’t trust a women not to lie about birth control but suddenly when she lobs an accusation she is to believed?!?!lol A woman can be misinformed about BC or fertility and believe she can't get pregnant (or can be taking the BC pill and still get pregnant anyway).
This is not in any way the same as a woman testifying about being raped.
One is a belief. The other is an event.
See below regarding a belief that one is on the pill when they aren't...as opposed to just outright lying about it
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 13, 2019 8:46:49 GMT -5
Maybe I'm wrong, because its hard to tell through text, but you seem to really dislike women. Lol! I really don’t dislike women at all. I do think that the pendulum has swung too far the other way and now the woman is to always be believed or you are accused disliking women. Both sexes lie. I never, ever want to be sent to jail when the only evidence is the word of someone else. I would be just as vehemently opposed if it was a woman being charged I was honestl horrors reading the words of some of the woman on here and on Facebook when the kabanaugh investigation was going on. More than one woman said “I knew men like him, of course he is guilty”. And these are not uneducated women. As a society that should horrify us but it doesn’t because we are talking abut white males. I totally get that it is hard to prove rape. But that doesn’t mean we should lower our standards of how to convict. He wasn't being convicted. He was being given a job. If he didn't get that job, he would still have his old job, that pays $300k plus, and he would get his retirement package of his salary for the rest of his life. He was acting like he was owed that job, but he was not. His actions during his hearings were obnoxious.
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Post by hurley1980 on Jun 13, 2019 11:33:46 GMT -5
Maybe I'm wrong, because its hard to tell through text, but you seem to really dislike women. Lol! I really don’t dislike women at all. I do think that the pendulum has swung too far the other way and now the woman is to always be believed or you are accused disliking women. Both sexes lie. I never, ever want to be sent to jail when the only evidence is the word of someone else. I would be just as vehemently opposed if it was a woman being charged I was honestl horrors reading the words of some of the woman on here and on Facebook when the kabanaugh investigation was going on. More than one woman said “I knew men like him, of course he is guilty”. And these are not uneducated women. As a society that should horrify us but it doesn’t because we are talking abut white males. I totally get that it is hard to prove rape. But that doesn’t mean we should lower our standards of how to convict. I find this terribly sad. In a world where Brock Turner's get off with very little time, even with witnesses and evidence, you still think the pendulum has swung too far the other way. I think a very small percentage of rapes reported are actually false, but because we hear about those on the news, we think its a bigger deal. What the real bigger deal is, is the amount of rapes that go unreported by women, because they are afraid people like you won't believe them.
I'm done with this discussion because it is literally making me sick to my stomach.
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