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Post by dezii on Aug 14, 2019 17:51:06 GMT -5
He WAS your front runner , your only hope last and final hope the win over Trump ,, Now that vision is shattered!! Poor old Joe ,, yea, he was the only hope. After the Donald loses in 2020, are u going to stick around for the "Yoo Hoos" , change your Nic or just fade into the wood work....just wondering....?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 14, 2019 18:12:05 GMT -5
when Trump loses, I promise not to rub it in the face of anyone.
I will be happy just to see him go.
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Post by tallguy on Aug 14, 2019 18:22:06 GMT -5
Yeah, okay, but do you reserve the right to rub it in people's faces if he gets indicted?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 14, 2019 18:28:48 GMT -5
Yeah, okay, but do you reserve the right to rub it in people's faces if he gets indicted? yep.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 14, 2019 19:17:09 GMT -5
He WAS your front runner , your only hope last and final hope the win over Trump ,, Now that vision is shattered!! Poor old Joe ,, yea, he was the only hope. After the Donald loses in 2020, are u going to stick around for the "Yoo Hoos" , change your Nic or just fade into the wood work....just wondering....? Yes, if Trump loses, who ever win besides Trump , every misspoken word, any slight trip, Any touching, Any, any any, thing will be Wooooo Hooooooed And pages and pages posted pointing it out! Pretty much the same way you do Trump now.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 14, 2019 19:21:47 GMT -5
I have never once WhooHooed a Trump misstep.
in fact, I have exactly the opposite reaction: a deep sense of national shame.
I look forward to having a president that does not engender that feeling.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 14, 2019 19:58:12 GMT -5
After the Donald loses in 2020, are u going to stick around for the "Yoo Hoos" , change your Nic or just fade into the wood work....just wondering....? Yes, if Trump loses, who ever win besides Trump , every misspoken word, any slight trip, Any touching, Any, any any, thing will be Wooooo Hooooooed And pages and pages posted pointing it out! Pretty much the same way you do Trump now.
I doubt whoever wins the 2020 election if it isn't trump has a video recording of him/her bragging about grabbing p$ssy or d#ck just because they can. Won't have told more than 12,000 misleading claims or outright lies during their 31 months in office. Most likely not having been married three times nor cheated on all of their spouses, including their current one. I could go on.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 14, 2019 20:00:37 GMT -5
Of course you could, but nobody cares.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 14, 2019 21:03:15 GMT -5
Edgy.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Aug 15, 2019 8:02:35 GMT -5
AP source: John Hickenlooper to end 2020 presidential bid DENVER (AP) — John Hickenlooper will drop out of the Democratic presidential primary on Thursday, according to a Democrat close to him.
The former two-term Colorado governor, who ran as a moderate warning of the perils of extreme partisanship, struggled with fundraising and low polling numbers. His planned departure from the 2020 race was confirmed Wednesday night by a Democrat who wasn’t authorized to speak publicly before the announcement and spoke to The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity.
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Post by dezii on Aug 15, 2019 8:08:23 GMT -5
Of course you could, but nobody cares. Wrong....
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 18, 2019 10:09:20 GMT -5
d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/mujbtdyiti/econTabReport.pdfvery interesting poll from the Economist. worst poll result for Biden in 6 weeks. the following candidates GAINED ground: Warren, Sanders, O'Rourke, Gillibrand. the following candidates LOST ground: Biden, Gabbard Warren and Sanders are showing a bit of momentum. Warren is at her best polling level of the campaign. Sanders is at his best polling level since JUNE. Biden is still leading by 13. his lead has been between 11 and 18 points since JUNE. there are still (3) clear tiers- with Biden all alone at 30%, Warren and Sanders at 17-18%, and Buttigeig and Harris in the upper single digits. nobody ELSE has been in the upper single digits since APRIL. what we have generally seen in the last month is the top three candidates rising at the expense of Harris. the gap is not closing. it is hard to imagine a "game changer" before the first primary. I am wondering if Bernie and Warren stay in to the end. Right now they look to be long term players in the race. I think if one of them drop out by April in 2020 the one left standing takes Biden out, if he is still around. Sanders and Warren backers will back the remaining candidate unlike with Clinton and Sanders in 2016
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 18, 2019 11:47:41 GMT -5
d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/mujbtdyiti/econTabReport.pdfvery interesting poll from the Economist. worst poll result for Biden in 6 weeks. the following candidates GAINED ground: Warren, Sanders, O'Rourke, Gillibrand. the following candidates LOST ground: Biden, Gabbard Warren and Sanders are showing a bit of momentum. Warren is at her best polling level of the campaign. Sanders is at his best polling level since JUNE. Biden is still leading by 13. his lead has been between 11 and 18 points since JUNE. there are still (3) clear tiers- with Biden all alone at 30%, Warren and Sanders at 17-18%, and Buttigeig and Harris in the upper single digits. nobody ELSE has been in the upper single digits since APRIL. what we have generally seen in the last month is the top three candidates rising at the expense of Harris. the gap is not closing. it is hard to imagine a "game changer" before the first primary. I am wondering if Bernie and Warren stay in to the end. Right now they look to be long term players in the race. I think if one of them drop out by April in 2020 the one left standing takes Biden out, if he is still around. Sanders and Warren backers will back the remaining candidate unlike with Clinton and Sanders in 2016 I agree completely with this assessment, VB. however, I would precaution you in saying that one will take up ALL of the other's vote. and I would use as an example, the GOP race in 2015.
I kept thinking "if only X would drop out, then Y would have enough votes to beat Trump", but every time X dropped out, Y got SOME of the votes, but Trump got SOME of the votes, too, and the result was that Trump kept inching toward 50% of the vote in the primaries.
if I am using my gut on this, I don't think Sanders has any real chance of winning this time. he has no momentum, and losers rarely (if ever) get a second chance in presidential politics. so, I think this is Warren's year. Sanders would be doing her a favor by dropping out- but so would Harris.
it is impossible to predict who will win the primary. but interestingly, Stossel is predicting that WARREN will win the primary right now.
electionbettingodds.com/DemPrimary2020.html#chart
of course, Stossel was betting that Harris would win the primary a month ago (and Biden 2 months ago, and Sanders 4 months ago), so who knows?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 18, 2019 11:50:08 GMT -5
I think the most interesting result in this poll is that the women in the race are up about 10% from a month ago, and on par with the old white guys (and having their best showing in the FOX poll).
it is very encouraging for them.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 18, 2019 15:01:58 GMT -5
I think the most interesting result in this poll is that the women in the race are up about 10% from a month ago, and on par with the old white guys (and having their best showing in the FOX poll).
it is very encouraging for them.
I'm worried about a female Dem candidate because I cynically think there is a segment of the male population who would refuse to vote for a female of any political party. Dem males who might have voted against Trump either wouldn't vote at all or would vote third party rather than vote for a woman.
Note that I said a 'segment' of male voters - maybe I'm wrong, maybe that segment is so small it doesn't matter, and maybe it doesn't exist at all, but the cynical part of me thinks there are some - and I don't want to lose any possible Dem votes.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 18, 2019 15:15:55 GMT -5
I think the most interesting result in this poll is that the women in the race are up about 10% from a month ago, and on par with the old white guys (and having their best showing in the FOX poll).
it is very encouraging for them.
I'm worried about a female Dem candidate because I cynically think there is a segment of the male population who would refuse to vote for a female of any political party. Dem males who might have voted against Trump either wouldn't vote at all or would vote third party rather than vote for a woman.
Note that I said a 'segment' of male voters - maybe I'm wrong, maybe that segment is so small it doesn't matter, and maybe it doesn't exist at all, but the cynical part of me thinks there are some - and I don't want to lose any possible Dem votes.
Not just men. There are many women out there that believe a woman will not be a good President. The ones who admit it are probably conservatives, but I bet there are a bunch of women who think it quietly and vote accordingly. Plus, each woman seems to have a fatal flaw. Probably every candidate does, but we have gotten used to the fatal flaws of men. But Warren has an annoying voice, Gabbard is a Krishna who hates gays, Gillibrand is running on white priviledge feminism, Klobachar beats her employees and only has 3 talking points, Harris was too tough on criminals, or not tough enough - depending on where you sit, and Williamson is bat shit crazy.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 18, 2019 15:16:26 GMT -5
I think the most interesting result in this poll is that the women in the race are up about 10% from a month ago, and on par with the old white guys (and having their best showing in the FOX poll).
it is very encouraging for them.
I'm worried about a female Dem candidate because I cynically think there is a segment of the male population who would refuse to vote for a female of any political party. Dem males who might have voted against Trump either wouldn't vote at all or would vote third party rather than vote for a woman.
Note that I said a 'segment' of male voters - maybe I'm wrong, maybe that segment is so small it doesn't matter, and maybe it doesn't exist at all, but the cynical part of me thinks there are some - and I don't want to lose any possible Dem votes.
I appreciate that, but remember that there are more women than men, so theoretically, you could do it without us.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 18, 2019 15:17:54 GMT -5
I'm worried about a female Dem candidate because I cynically think there is a segment of the male population who would refuse to vote for a female of any political party. Dem males who might have voted against Trump either wouldn't vote at all or would vote third party rather than vote for a woman.
Note that I said a 'segment' of male voters - maybe I'm wrong, maybe that segment is so small it doesn't matter, and maybe it doesn't exist at all, but the cynical part of me thinks there are some - and I don't want to lose any possible Dem votes.
Not just men. There are many women out there that believe a woman will not be a good President. The ones who admit it are probably conservatives, but I bet there are a bunch of women who think it quietly and vote accordingly. Plus, each woman seems to have a fatal flaw. Probably every candidate does, but we have gotten used to the fatal flaws of men. But Warren has an annoying voice, Gabbard is a Krishna who hates gays, Gillibrand is running on white priviledge feminism, Klobachar beats her employees and only has 3 talking points, Harris was too tough on criminals, or not tough enough - depending on where you sit, and Williamson is bat shit crazy. Trump's voice is horribly annoying, as well. I think that Warren has a legitimate shot at winning. I am not so sure about the other women running, however.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 18, 2019 15:25:42 GMT -5
I'm worried about a female Dem candidate because I cynically think there is a segment of the male population who would refuse to vote for a female of any political party. Dem males who might have voted against Trump either wouldn't vote at all or would vote third party rather than vote for a woman.
Note that I said a 'segment' of male voters - maybe I'm wrong, maybe that segment is so small it doesn't matter, and maybe it doesn't exist at all, but the cynical part of me thinks there are some - and I don't want to lose any possible Dem votes.
I appreciate that, but remember that there are more women than men, so theoretically, you could do it without us. Thyme is right, it's not just some men who would refuse to vote for a women, there are women who wouldn't vote for a woman.
My SIL for one - she has previously stated that women's primary focus should be taking care of her kids/grandkids and her home, so work outside the home should be limited to a low level 'job' and not a career. I suspect she'd be one of the women who would never vote for a female POTUS.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 18, 2019 15:26:08 GMT -5
Not just men. There are many women out there that believe a woman will not be a good President. The ones who admit it are probably conservatives, but I bet there are a bunch of women who think it quietly and vote accordingly. Plus, each woman seems to have a fatal flaw. Probably every candidate does, but we have gotten used to the fatal flaws of men. But Warren has an annoying voice, Gabbard is a Krishna who hates gays, Gillibrand is running on white priviledge feminism, Klobachar beats her employees and only has 3 talking points, Harris was too tough on criminals, or not tough enough - depending on where you sit, and Williamson is bat shit crazy. Trump's voice is horribly annoying, as well. I think that Warren has a legitimate shot at winning. I am not so sure about the other women running, however.
True - I thought Trump had several fatal flaws, but I guess not fatal enough. At least Warren understands policy.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 18, 2019 15:27:55 GMT -5
I appreciate that, but remember that there are more women than men, so theoretically, you could do it without us. Thyme is right, it's not just some men who would refuse to vote for a women, there are women who wouldn't vote for a woman.
My SIL for one - she has previously stated that women's primary focus should be taking care of her kids/grandkids and her home, so work outside the home should be limited to a low level 'job' and not a career. I suspect she'd be one of the women who would never vote for a female POTUS.
oh, I know. look at all the GOP women that voted for the cat grabber. I was shocked by it. traditional roles are seen by some women as beneficial to women. and from a certain perspective, they are. if you believe in traditional roles! haha. this is such a broad topic that it deserves it's own thread, but I have no patience for it, today.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 18, 2019 15:30:50 GMT -5
Trump's voice is horribly annoying, as well. I think that Warren has a legitimate shot at winning. I am not so sure about the other women running, however.
True - I thought Trump had several fatal flaws, but I guess not fatal enough. At least Warren understands policy. she not only understands policy, she has detailed proposals.
in a sense, she is a throwback candidate. candidates don't really campaign that way any more. they campaign on sound bites and emotion. that has been the case since Nixon ran with Checkers (1952). the only policy oriented candidate I can think of off hand is Perot.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 18, 2019 15:54:49 GMT -5
I appreciate that, but remember that there are more women than men, so theoretically, you could do it without us. Thyme is right, it's not just some men who would refuse to vote for a women, there are women who wouldn't vote for a woman.
My SIL for one - she has previously stated that women's primary focus should be taking care of her kids/grandkids and her home, so work outside the home should be limited to a low level 'job' and not a career. I suspect she'd be one of the women who would never vote for a female POTUS.
Would you SIL vote Democrat under any circumstances? My sister probably won't, so her attitude on women as leaders is somewhat irrelevant. It is the people who are somewhat liberal, probably work, maybe highly educated, yet don't believe a woman should be POTUS - those are the people that Democrats need to win, but Warren won't do it for them.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 18, 2019 18:50:18 GMT -5
My beyond Liberal Grandsons love Sanders, and Warren.. Free, Free,, Free,, free and more free.
Some one else besides them will pay for it,, The Rich are going to pay for it!!
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 18, 2019 18:56:16 GMT -5
My beyond Liberal Grandsons love Sanders, and Warren.. Free, Free,, Free,, free and more free.
Some one else besides them will pay for it,, The Rich are going to pay for it!!
what do you think of Trump's soon-to-be-trillion-dollar deficits, OC?
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 18, 2019 19:01:00 GMT -5
About the same as every one that backed Obama, worried about it then. Didn't matter then doesn't matter now..
It is going to fix it's self,, like Sanders and Warren free stuff.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 18, 2019 19:03:37 GMT -5
About the same as every one that backed Obama, worried about it then. Didn't matter then doesn't matter now..
It is going to fix it's self,, like Sanders and Warren free stuff.
wow.
I think it will be our undoing, OC.
in other words, I think it is precisely the opposite: it mattered then, and it matters now.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 3, 2019 21:43:42 GMT -5
momentum for Sanders and Biden is dead. Warren has moved into 2nd place again. interestingly, Stossel now has Warren at 34% to win, which is the highest odds of any candidate so far. this is up from 6.6% just three months ago.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 17, 2019 13:44:56 GMT -5
momentum for Sanders and Biden is dead. Warren has moved into 2nd place again. interestingly, Stossel now has Warren at 34% to win, which is the highest odds of any candidate so far. this is up from 6.6% just three months ago. Warren is up to 36% to win the primary, now. she continues to climb on the betting forum.
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