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Post by OldCoyote on May 11, 2019 19:58:37 GMT -5
It has been fun But time to go to work, make some money to buy that next wonderful assault shotgun!! Looks identical to an assault rifle,, 12GA shotgun, semi automatic, with removal magazines of 5 rounds, 9 rounds, and 19 rounds,
Rock Island Arms,, model VR-80!!
sounds like a good substitute for my Stoeger. how much $$$? You need to check it out first,, this MAYBE illegal in Cali!
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 8:13:58 GMT -5
so you don't see a problem, but can't be bothered. Pretty much like your position on gun safety. Doesn't affect you, so you have no sympathy.
Last 2 sentences of my original post are for people like you.
Yes, you've stated similar positions in the past. Then you wonder why my response is usually something like "cry me me a river" or "better go sit in your safe place". It really is no big deal. I understand the odds. Or another way to view it is reading nasty woman's #46, and then a year from now when something unpleasant happens to her, and she posts about it, I just won't seem to have a lot of support in me. I'll talk about the subject of the thread, but leave the 'poor babies' for someone else to say. My position on gun safety is I safely handle my guns.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 8:22:56 GMT -5
Quote; A false dilemma is a type of informal fallacy in which something is falsely claimed to be an "either/or" situation, when in fact there is at least one additional option. A false dilemma can arise intentionally, when a fallacy is used in an attempt to force a choice or outcome. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemmaNothing to explain. So then it is the part of my post that you bolded. You have no idea. Gotcha. Nothing to answer. You have me totally flummoxed. You'll have to type in large letters, very slowly, so I can understand. However, not right now. I'm busy hugging my guns and bible and don't have time for all the 'intellectual' stuff you're presenting.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 8:31:30 GMT -5
Not even to show concern for someone you "know"? Seriously, context dude. Compassion. Empathy. Try it sometime. You might be amazed. If you read the last two lines of her OP, let's just say it's not the first time she's said stuff like that. I know her alright. I'll discuss the topic of a thread, but if someone starts out with one like that, the personal support will have to come from someone else. Personally, I think the stereotyping along the lines of "conservative men", and the unpleasant way of posting it, speaks volumes of unresolved issues.
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Post by swamp on May 12, 2019 8:34:28 GMT -5
Not even to show concern for someone you "know"? Seriously, context dude. Compassion. Empathy. Try it sometime. You might be amazed. If you read the last two lines of her OP, let's just say it's not the first time she's said stuff like that. I know her alright. I'll discuss the topic of a thread, but if someone starts out with one like that, the personal support will have to come from someone else. Personally, I think the stereotyping along the lines of "conservative men", and the unpleasant way of posting it, speaks volumes of unresolved issues. Or, you could just be acting like a giant douche.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 8:38:29 GMT -5
If you read the last two lines of her OP, let's just say it's not the first time she's said stuff like that. I know her alright. I'll discuss the topic of a thread, but if someone starts out with one like that, the personal support will have to come from someone else. Personally, I think the stereotyping along the lines of "conservative men", and the unpleasant way of posting it, speaks volumes of unresolved issues. Or, you could just be acting like a giant douche. That can't be right. It would infer that I was actually concerned. I'm only concerned about the topic. I must say that the odds are so slim of being present at a school shooting. That I only half believe it. Wouldn't be the first time someone made up a story, to once again, get a pro gun control discussion going.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 8:47:10 GMT -5
Quote; A false dilemma is a type of informal fallacy in which something is falsely claimed to be an "either/or" situation, when in fact there is at least one additional option. A false dilemma can arise intentionally, when a fallacy is used in an attempt to force a choice or outcome. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemmaNothing to explain. You actually do not articulate well at all.
You do love to try to mansplain, though.
'Mansplaining - the explanation of something by a man, typically to a woman, in a manner regarded as condescending or patronizing.'
You got lot more out of my three words "nothing to explain" than I did. Don't know how to articulate that any more clearly. Issues ? You'll have to let me know how saying that I have nothing to explain, is mansplaing, lol.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 9:24:19 GMT -5
to all the ones saying it's no big deal... first of all, read the last 2 sentences of my original post. And secondly, hope your wives/loved ones would be concerned if you were in the same situation even if you don't care enough to feel the same way about them in the situation.
For me, I actually love my husband enough to have been worried & scared. It's called being FUCKING HUMAN BEING WITH FEELINGS. Instead of being cold ass, don't give a shit, macho, toxic assholes who care more about their guns than their loved ones.
And fuck off while you're at it.
Just seen this now. I'll have to say I care deeply for my loved ones. Way more than my tools. Not so much for people who post in this fashion. My not caring, is my way of "f@#$%& off" as you say.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 9:28:20 GMT -5
The people who work in banking are trained to know there can be problems. I see from time to time where schools are training the students and faculty. It's not just gun nuts. I was in WY when a professor's son went into his class room with class in session with a cross bow. The student's fled when told but the professor died. There are stats out that show knives are worse than guns. I don't have access right now to the stats.
Knives vs. Shotguns only, yes. Hand guns are still far and beyond the big killer. Depends on the length of time you're considering. Firearms are actually a very new type of weapon in comparison to cutting edge weapons. One reason for my stance on guns. It's just another killing tool being used by killers. When it's gone, it'll be something else. I fear for the upcoming time of energy weapons. Silent, no residue/projectiles for tracking. Operating in an invisible spectrum. Scary. They already exist in a size small enough to kill, and hold in one hand. It's the down side of better battery technology, that is being developed for power handtools.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 9:36:37 GMT -5
Such as? You're still not explaining. Or is it perhaps that you have absolutely no idea and just don't want to admit it? This line of questioning is actually making me laugh out loud. I mean, it's incredibly frustrating for poor Andi trying to get a coherent thought out of this guy but honestly, I appreciate the chuckle this has given me. To summarize:
Diogenes: I am extremely articulate.
Andi: Please give me an example of things shooting victims should have done to protect themselves.
Diogenes: All kinds of stuff. Duh.
There actually is all kinds of stuff as you say. Google is her friend, she'll get there. You made me laugh with your post. It's exactly what I wanted to say.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 9:39:21 GMT -5
It's interesting that the conservatives here couldn't even muster up a "thoughts & prayers" for someone they know here. Instead it's all about defending guns. Not even an ounce of care or concern. Just their guns.
Says a lot about the current state of men in the conservative party.
Right! Conservative: No one's taking my guns from me. I have rights! Others: So then everyone should be allowed to walk around with a gun? Conservative: That's not what I said. Others: Not allowing everyone to carry guns is called gun control. You know that, right? Conservative: You're missing the point. Others: Which is? <crickets> The crickets are when I became bored, knowing the endless possibilities that are out there for reducing risk, and you not knowing any of them. Now that you should be concerned about.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 9:41:40 GMT -5
huh? Do you even know what post you're responding to? I'm not hiding. My kids are still going to school. Not that it's my call, but my friends kids will be back in the same building they were bunkered down in come Monday. So no, those of us actually living our lives and not trolling the internet are living our lives and facing the consequences. Here is a real simple solution,, if you don't like my posts, Block me or ignore me. There other here that are far better at insults than your trolling thing,, And they don't bother me,, When they get real insulting, it only means I made a Good point!
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Post by OldCoyote on May 12, 2019 22:08:24 GMT -5
I'm excellent at articulating. I'm excellent at avoiding stereotyping also. ymam.proboards.com/post/3000125I can do this for you. Acceptable Risk definition ; Acceptable risk refers to the level of human and property loss that can be tolerated by an individual, household, group, organization, community, region, state, or nation.definitions.uslegal.com/a/acceptable-risk/I lower my risk by avoiding risky situations. School shootings isn't one I even think about. So how can people who have been a victim of public shootings of any kind lower their risk? Your comment I originally responded to suggested that unarmed people are not minimizing risk. I ask you to explain and you post a link to me question and a definition you found on the internet. You still haven't explained your statement. In fact, you really never do. You throw out baseless or ridiculous statements all the time (just like another YM troll we know) and then when asked to explain said statement or to provide fact, you tell people that they are missing the point or tell them that their opinion is baseless. You never really explain your stance. Just like you're refusing to do now. Police shootings in 2018 998 by their definition of mass shootings. 323 cases. 387 killed. 1274 wounded. So how can people avoid public shootings of any kind to lower their risk?
A quick answer is,, don't belong to a gang, stay out of bars! and don't drink!
A quick count 774 were party, drinking, drug, gang, related!! out of 1661 dead or wounded, If you want avoid more,, stay out of family fights! As far as school shootings. Marshal Co,. High school shooting, 18. Stoneman Douglas High school shooting 34. SanteFe High School Shooting 24. School total dead or wounded 76.
Other Shooting not schools, Jackson Landing 14. Pittsburgh Synagogue shooting 17. Other of note were family or employee related,, in a quick count. This is out of a Country of 300 million + people!
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 14:07:44 GMT -5
So how can people who have been a victim of public shootings of any kind lower their risk? Your comment I originally responded to suggested that unarmed people are not minimizing risk. I ask you to explain and you post a link to me question and a definition you found on the internet. You still haven't explained your statement. In fact, you really never do. You throw out baseless or ridiculous statements all the time (just like another YM troll we know) and then when asked to explain said statement or to provide fact, you tell people that they are missing the point or tell them that their opinion is baseless. You never really explain your stance. Just like you're refusing to do now. Police shootings in 2018 998 by their definition of mass shootings. 323 cases. 387 killed. 1274 wounded. So how can people avoid public shootings of any kind to lower their risk?
A quick answer is,, don't belong to a gang, stay out of bars! and don't drink!
A quick count 774 were party, drinking, drug, gang, related!! out of 1661 dead or wounded, If you want avoid more,, stay out of family fights! As far as school shootings. Marshal Co,. High school shooting, 18. Stoneman Douglas High school shooting 34. SanteFe High School Shooting 24. School total dead or wounded 76.
Other Shooting not schools, Jackson Landing 14. Pittsburgh Synagogue shooting 17. Other of note were family or employee related,, in a quick count. This is out of a Country of 300 million + people!
Exactly why school shootings aren't on the my radar as far as risk is concerned. Even if I had kids or had worked there. Quote; That means the statistical likelihood of any given public school student being killed by a gun, in school, on any given day since 1999 was roughly 1 in 614,000,000. And since the 1990s, shootings at schools have been getting less common. The chance of a child being shot and killed in a public school is extraordinarily low.Quote; The chance of a child being shot and killed in a public school is extraordinarily low. Not zero — no risk is. But it’s far lower than many people assume, especially in the glare of heart-wrenching news coverage after an event like Parkland. And it’s far lower than almost any other mortality risk a kid faces, including traveling to and from school, catching a potentially deadly disease while in school or suffering a life-threatening injury playing interscholastic sports. www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/school-shootings-are-extraordinarily-rare-why-is-fear-of-them-driving-policy/2018/03/08/f4ead9f2-2247-11e8-94da-ebf9d112159c_story.html
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Post by weltschmerz on May 13, 2019 14:16:43 GMT -5
to all the ones saying it's no big deal... first of all, read the last 2 sentences of my original post. And secondly, hope your wives/loved ones would be concerned if you were in the same situation even if you don't care enough to feel the same way about them in the situation.
For me, I actually love my husband enough to have been worried & scared. It's called being FUCKING HUMAN BEING WITH FEELINGS. Instead of being cold ass, don't give a shit, macho, toxic assholes who care more about their guns than their loved ones.
And fuck off while you're at it.
Just seen this now.I'll have to say I care deeply for my loved ones. Way more than my tools. Not so much for people who post in this fashion. My not caring, is my way of "f@#$%& off" as you say. I thought you said you were articulate......
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Post by thyme4change on May 14, 2019 9:12:37 GMT -5
Police shootings in 2018 998 by their definition of mass shootings. 323 cases. 387 killed. 1274 wounded. So how can people avoid public shootings of any kind to lower their risk?
A quick answer is,, don't belong to a gang, stay out of bars! and don't drink!
A quick count 774 were party, drinking, drug, gang, related!! out of 1661 dead or wounded, If you want avoid more,, stay out of family fights! As far as school shootings. Marshal Co,. High school shooting, 18. Stoneman Douglas High school shooting 34. SanteFe High School Shooting 24. School total dead or wounded 76.
Other Shooting not schools, Jackson Landing 14. Pittsburgh Synagogue shooting 17. Other of note were family or employee related,, in a quick count. This is out of a Country of 300 million + people!
Exactly why school shootings aren't on the my radar as far as risk is concerned. Even if I had kids or had worked there. Quote; That means the statistical likelihood of any given public school student being killed by a gun, in school, on any given day since 1999 was roughly 1 in 614,000,000. And since the 1990s, shootings at schools have been getting less common. The chance of a child being shot and killed in a public school is extraordinarily low.Quote; The chance of a child being shot and killed in a public school is extraordinarily low. Not zero — no risk is. But it’s far lower than many people assume, especially in the glare of heart-wrenching news coverage after an event like Parkland. And it’s far lower than almost any other mortality risk a kid faces, including traveling to and from school, catching a potentially deadly disease while in school or suffering a life-threatening injury playing interscholastic sports. www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/school-shootings-are-extraordinarily-rare-why-is-fear-of-them-driving-policy/2018/03/08/f4ead9f2-2247-11e8-94da-ebf9d112159c_story.htmlI agree that we should worry less about these unlikely, but extremely tragic events, like school shootings and terrorist attacks. We should worry more about domestic violence, which rarely makes the news. I was listening to the Fox News Rundown and the commentary was a guy who could solve school shootings by putting in armed guards, K-9 units, swat teams and technology, and (his words) every tax payer would be supportive. Meanwhile, we can't pay teachers enough to keep them off food stamps, nor give them the necessary supplies. We can't get Republican tax payers to support actual education. Our priorities are fucked.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 16:23:14 GMT -5
Exactly why school shootings aren't on the my radar as far as risk is concerned. Even if I had kids or had worked there. Quote; That means the statistical likelihood of any given public school student being killed by a gun, in school, on any given day since 1999 was roughly 1 in 614,000,000. And since the 1990s, shootings at schools have been getting less common. The chance of a child being shot and killed in a public school is extraordinarily low.Quote; The chance of a child being shot and killed in a public school is extraordinarily low. Not zero — no risk is. But it’s far lower than many people assume, especially in the glare of heart-wrenching news coverage after an event like Parkland. And it’s far lower than almost any other mortality risk a kid faces, including traveling to and from school, catching a potentially deadly disease while in school or suffering a life-threatening injury playing interscholastic sports. www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/school-shootings-are-extraordinarily-rare-why-is-fear-of-them-driving-policy/2018/03/08/f4ead9f2-2247-11e8-94da-ebf9d112159c_story.htmlI agree that we should worry less about these unlikely, but extremely tragic events, like school shootings and terrorist attacks. We should worry more about domestic violence, which rarely makes the news. I was listening to the Fox News Rundown and the commentary was a guy who could solve school shootings by putting in armed guards, K-9 units, swat teams and technology, and (his words) every tax payer would be supportive. Meanwhile, we can't pay teachers enough to keep them off food stamps, nor give them the necessary supplies. We can't get Republican tax payers to support actual education. Our priorities are fucked. I rarely watch cable news so I take your word on it that they said that. Cable news has a narrow target focus. I have a niece who graduated with a teaching degree. She teaches 5th grade and her starting salary was $86,000 It was about 12 years ago. Doesn't seem like food stamp territory. Anyway, we can talk about just about anything, as a vehicle, to throw in a few choice comments about politicians we don't like. To get like minded likes, so to speak. However, not for me. It's the "but Obama + Democrats" in reverse from a few years back, now being applied to "Trump + Republicans", very boring. My point was made about risk comparison, believability of 'long odds' stories. I already had it bolded in my previous post.
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Post by thyme4change on May 14, 2019 21:39:47 GMT -5
I agree that we should worry less about these unlikely, but extremely tragic events, like school shootings and terrorist attacks. We should worry more about domestic violence, which rarely makes the news. I was listening to the Fox News Rundown and the commentary was a guy who could solve school shootings by putting in armed guards, K-9 units, swat teams and technology, and (his words) every tax payer would be supportive. Meanwhile, we can't pay teachers enough to keep them off food stamps, nor give them the necessary supplies. We can't get Republican tax payers to support actual education. Our priorities are fucked. I rarely watch cable news so I take your word on it that they said that. Cable news has a narrow target focus. I have a niece who graduated with a teaching degree. She teaches 5th grade and her starting salary was $86,000 It was about 12 years ago. Doesn't seem like food stamp territory. Anyway, we can talk about just about anything, as a vehicle, to throw in a few choice comments about politicians we don't like. To get like minded likes, so to speak. However, not for me. It's the "but Obama + Democrats" in reverse from a few years back, now being applied to "Trump + Republicans", very boring. My point was made about risk comparison, believability of 'long odds' stories. I already had it bolded in my previous post. Is she teaching at a public school or private? Because she seems to be kicking ass! I thought maybe I could narrow down her state, but, she seems to be above average by quite a bit. www.nea.org/home/2017-2018-average-starting-teacher-salary.html
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Post by OldCoyote on May 15, 2019 11:11:29 GMT -5
OK Andi you asked for some numbers here they are,,
Comments?
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2019 12:46:49 GMT -5
I rarely watch cable news so I take your word on it that they said that. Cable news has a narrow target focus. I have a niece who graduated with a teaching degree. She teaches 5th grade and her starting salary was $86,000 It was about 12 years ago. Doesn't seem like food stamp territory. Anyway, we can talk about just about anything, as a vehicle, to throw in a few choice comments about politicians we don't like. To get like minded likes, so to speak. However, not for me. It's the "but Obama + Democrats" in reverse from a few years back, now being applied to "Trump + Republicans", very boring. My point was made about risk comparison, believability of 'long odds' stories. I already had it bolded in my previous post. Is she teaching at a public school or private? Because she seems to be kicking ass! I thought maybe I could narrow down her state, but, she seems to be above average by quite a bit. www.nea.org/home/2017-2018-average-starting-teacher-salary.htmlShe's teaching in one of the suburbs west of Chicago. Haven't been in contact with her for a few years. She was the oldest daughter from my older brothers first marriage. A little bit of hard feelings after that.
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Post by thyme4change on May 15, 2019 12:51:07 GMT -5
She's teaching in one of the suburbs west of Chicago. Haven't been in contact with her for a few years. She was the oldest daughter from my older brothers first marriage. A little bit of hard feelings after that. Chicagoland is an area that funds public works very well. Good for her!
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