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Post by OldCoyote on May 3, 2019 8:56:10 GMT -5
All those jobs, market is booming, business is up a lot, military involvement is way down, Taxes being paid because ,, We are making money,,, Make some cuts to the budget,, money is going to pour in to the coffers,,
Down goes the Debt!!!
If this does start to happen ,,, it is going to be Trump,, Trump,,, Trump!!!
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Post by Value Buy on May 3, 2019 9:08:13 GMT -5
If any posters here still have adult children or relatives claiming there are no jobs for them, please show them this article. The excuses are no longer honest for not working somewhere somehow................
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Post by Value Buy on May 3, 2019 11:15:15 GMT -5
Neither example is a good example of a poor economy masked by an economy performing wery well. Tim Horton is a Canadian company expanding further into the states selling donuts and coffee. I think that part of the economy here has already been pretty much owned by a few American companies. One location does not really perform that well, unless they can spread their store costs against multiple locations. As far as CVS closing stores, I imagine Walgreen's well do it also. Has more to do with both companies building larger new stores in every citiy in the country replacing smaller stores, sometimes multiple small stores, and now with the major internet companies selling drugs onine at cheaper prices, they are hurting in the most profitable section of every store where the help is the highest paid members at each location....... CVS is also having economic problems merging with the health insurance company they merged with......and profit growth is not where they said it would be.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 3, 2019 11:31:29 GMT -5
All those jobs, market is booming, business is up a lot, military involvement is way down, Taxes being paid because ,, We are making money,,, Make some cuts to the budget,, money is going to pour in to the coffers,,
Down goes the Debt!!!
If this does start to happen ,,, it is going to be Trump,, Trump,,, Trump!!!
Are all of these full-time jobs or are many part-time jobs? I would ask VB many times, but he wouldn't answer. Perhaps you will.
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Post by Value Buy on May 3, 2019 11:45:53 GMT -5
All those jobs, market is booming, business is up a lot, military involvement is way down, Taxes being paid because ,, We are making money,,, Make some cuts to the budget,, money is going to pour in to the coffers,,
Down goes the Debt!!!
If this does start to happen ,,, it is going to be Trump,, Trump,,, Trump!!!
Are all of these full-time jobs or are many part-time jobs? I would ask VB many times, but he wouldn't answer. Perhaps you will. When the actual data is posted, it does not specify part time or full time. Based on specific job descriptions, you can decide whether they are part time, but I am saying most are fulltime. landscaping, housekeeping, could be part time but lawyers, accountants and consultants are probably full time. If you opened the link in post two, I cannot copy the graphs, but, you will see this: Job gains in the services sectors continued to rocket higher in April as hiring remained hot for computer system designers, social workers and health-care professionals. Manufacturing, on the other hand, posted a third straight month of lackluster employment figures. CNBC studied the net changes by industry for April jobs based on the data from the Labor Department contained in the jobs report released Friday. The government said the U.S. economy added 263,000 jobs last month, more than the 190,000 increase expected by economists polled by Refinitiv. The business and professional services sector alone added 76,000 jobs, with strong hiring in computer systems design, temporary help services, and building and dwelling services like pest extermination, landscaping and housekeeping. The sector also includes lawyers, accountants and consultants. The health care and education sector — a consistent employment juggernaut — came in at second place with a gain of 62,000 jobs. Health care and social services, including ambulatory outpatient care, hospitals and nursing and resident facilities added 50,000 jobs.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on May 3, 2019 11:59:57 GMT -5
What Value Buy posted is correct, big winners were service industries, but an important sector was last, manufacturing. Here is why we need to be concerned:
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Post by hurley1980 on May 3, 2019 13:29:24 GMT -5
This is great news, but one thing I've notices is how crap the wages are, even for good jobs! I've been with my company for 12 years, hired in 2007. I briefly thought about making a change, and did some job hunting. Most of the jobs in my field are paying 10k+ LESS than I'm making now, some as much as 20k or 30K, and I'm underpaid. They are actually paying less than what I started at in 2007.
Tons of jobs don't help if the wages don't keep up with inflation.
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Post by oped on May 3, 2019 15:47:31 GMT -5
This is great news, but one thing I've notices is how crap the wages are, even for good jobs! I've been with my company for 12 years, hired in 2007. I briefly thought about making a change, and did some job hunting. Most of the jobs in my field are paying 10k+ LESS than I'm making now, some as much as 20k or 30K, and I'm underpaid. They are actually paying less than what I started at in 2007.
Tons of jobs don't help if the wages don't keep up with inflation. You can work two of them and be rolling it.
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Post by Value Buy on May 3, 2019 16:09:29 GMT -5
This is great news, but one thing I've notices is how crap the wages are, even for good jobs! I've been with my company for 12 years, hired in 2007. I briefly thought about making a change, and did some job hunting. Most of the jobs in my field are paying 10k+ LESS than I'm making now, some as much as 20k or 30K, and I'm underpaid. They are actually paying less than what I started at in 2007.
Tons of jobs don't help if the wages don't keep up with inflation. I have to believe you are correct at this point. As the babyboomers continue to retire the market price should start rising for workers with advanced skills, but possibly newly educated workers will not get the big starting raise just yet. Hope it works for you. As I got older I faced the same problem. No one wants to hire someone at a high starting rate of pay for years of service, etc.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 3, 2019 16:34:20 GMT -5
Are all of these full-time jobs or are many part-time jobs? I would ask VB many times, but he wouldn't answer. Perhaps you will. When the actual data is posted, it does not specify part time or full time. Based on specific job descriptions, you can decide whether they are part time, but I am saying most are fulltime. landscaping, housekeeping, could be part time but lawyers, accountants and consultants are probably full time. If you opened the link in post two, I cannot copy the graphs, but, you will see this: Job gains in the services sectors continued to rocket higher in April as hiring remained hot for computer system designers, social workers and health-care professionals. Manufacturing, on the other hand, posted a third straight month of lackluster employment figures. CNBC studied the net changes by industry for April jobs based on the data from the Labor Department contained in the jobs report released Friday. The government said the U.S. economy added 263,000 jobs last month, more than the 190,000 increase expected by economists polled by Refinitiv. The business and professional services sector alone added 76,000 jobs, with strong hiring in computer systems design, temporary help services, and building and dwelling services like pest extermination, landscaping and housekeeping. The sector also includes lawyers, accountants and consultants. The health care and education sector — a consistent employment juggernaut — came in at second place with a gain of 62,000 jobs. Health care and social services, including ambulatory outpatient care, hospitals and nursing and resident facilities added 50,000 jobs. When Obama pulled the economy out of the gutter, I remember the right screaming "Those are mostly part-time jobs! They don't count!" Naturally, now that it's YOUR guy, all of a sudden they count.
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 3, 2019 18:40:54 GMT -5
This is great news, but one thing I've notices is how crap the wages are, even for good jobs! I've been with my company for 12 years, hired in 2007. I briefly thought about making a change, and did some job hunting. Most of the jobs in my field are paying 10k+ LESS than I'm making now, some as much as 20k or 30K, and I'm underpaid. They are actually paying less than what I started at in 2007.
Tons of jobs don't help if the wages don't keep up with inflation. If the market says that comparable jobs are making significantly less than you are making now, why do you think you are underpaid? Salaries are driven by the market I can tell you that accounting salaries have skyrocketed in my area. I’m trying to hide a senior accountant (2-5 years out of school). I can’t get a new senior for less than $60k...and I live in the land of low cost of living!
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Post by teen persuasion on May 3, 2019 21:20:39 GMT -5
Not booming everywhere, or for everyone.
I've got regular patrons coming in to use the public computers frequently to apply for jobs. Lawyers and accountants they will never be - factory work is what they've always done, and they are too long in the tooth to retrain, but too far from SS to retire.
Local rural hospital system just announced they are closing several departments. No more maternity department at one site. No more dialysis or urgent care at another site. Losing money on those departments, so tough for locals - have to drive out of the county to the bigger city medical corridor > an hour away. We're slowly watching our hospitals wither away. The urgent care was the previous ER, reworked. The maternity department was losing patients to the metro area hospitals because there was no NICU - my last OB suggested I use another hospital for this very reason (even though the group has offices here). I foresee even fewer local doctors here - they will relocate closer to the hospitals they can work out of, or just drop their offices here while keeping the suburban offices.
The closure of the maternity department had another unintended consequence - they had to end a family practice residency program because they needed the OB exposure, and it's gone now.
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Post by tbop77 on May 4, 2019 5:25:08 GMT -5
I guess I still see 2 Americas. The economy is doing great for the upper middle class, rich and wealthy. For the lower middle class and poor, there hasn't been much change. Trickle down at it's finest.
It feels like deja vous. I loved my big bonus, the gains in my 401k that I remember from the early 2000's. But I do not see any politician addressing what we have to know is coming. We cannot continue to add a trillion dollars a year to the debt and not have enough sense to know how it is going to end.
Will the next DEM president be able to pull the country out of President Trump's spending spree?
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Post by OldCoyote on May 4, 2019 6:31:22 GMT -5
I guess I still see 2 Americas. The economy is doing great for the upper middle class, rich and wealthy. For the lower middle class and poor, there hasn't been much change. Trickle down at it's finest. It feels like deja vous. I loved my big bonus, the gains in my 401k that I remember from the early 2000's. But I do not see any politician addressing what we have to know is coming. We cannot continue to add a trillion dollars a year to the debt and not have enough sense to know how it is going to end. Will the next DEM president be able to pull the country out of President Trump's spending spree? For the lower middle class and poor, there hasn't been much change.
There are some people that are not going to work, Many that have drug and alcohol problems, Mental problems, uneducateable by their own choice! No matter what you give them. they will not succeed.
Not having much money is not the problem,, not handling the money you make is the problem. That applies to all classes.
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Post by tbop77 on May 4, 2019 7:13:21 GMT -5
I guess I still see 2 Americas. The economy is doing great for the upper middle class, rich and wealthy. For the lower middle class and poor, there hasn't been much change. Trickle down at it's finest. It feels like deja vous. I loved my big bonus, the gains in my 401k that I remember from the early 2000's. But I do not see any politician addressing what we have to know is coming. We cannot continue to add a trillion dollars a year to the debt and not have enough sense to know how it is going to end. Will the next DEM president be able to pull the country out of President Trump's spending spree? For the lower middle class and poor, there hasn't been much change.
There are some people that are not going to work, Many that have drug and alcohol problems, Mental problems, uneducateable by their own choice! No matter what you give them. they will not succeed.
Not having much money is not the problem,, not handling the money you make is the problem. That applies to all classes.
Hun, that is not the issue, you need to go out in our shop and tell the guys who are busting their ass working in the hot/cold and tell them how trickle down is working so well when their manager received a bonus of $120k off their backs and they received a big fat $0. Tell them how wonderful President Trump is making America! Tell them all about how it is going to trickle down. Tell them it's all their fault the company is successful and because they work hard, the wealth is not shared to them.
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Post by OldCoyote on May 4, 2019 8:08:57 GMT -5
tbop, I used to work for that guy, then thirty years ago, I started my own Co. The only thing is, when you own the Co. it is up to you to make the money. Here is another question, of course it depends on the employee,
Why should I share the money that has been made, with some one that If I am not watching, does as little as possible,, takes extended breaks and lunch breaks, does not show up for work or is always late. screwing with their phone every five minutes. And when you are hiring notice how many people that can not pass a drug test? Have a drivers license?
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Post by OldCoyote on May 4, 2019 8:16:29 GMT -5
With most Co's. if you are doing a great job making that Co. money, not causing problems and or trouble,, you will move right up the line! One of our own poster's here is a great example.
Miss Tequila!!
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Post by OldCoyote on May 4, 2019 8:33:06 GMT -5
You realize you are in charge of your own destiny!!
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Post by OldCoyote on May 4, 2019 8:42:35 GMT -5
If your expecting some one to come along hand out a bunch of free stuff, that is going to make everything better,,, Ain't gonna happen.. A while back I was sitting in the office,, with My General contractor, talking to a friend on the speaker phone,,
I had bought an expensive gun, when the friend popped off with, it would be nice to have your money. When my General contractor said " work 12-14 hours a day,, seven days a week, you will have money!!" The friend always has an excuse that he can't work extra hours. So be it!
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Post by tbop77 on May 4, 2019 8:50:57 GMT -5
Like I said: Two Americas
The upper echelon seems to believe the lower class is out to get them, when in all honest, it's the other way around. The guys in my shop, who cannot have their cell phone on their person during working hours, have to pass a drug test, and every minute is monitored, get a big fat $0 for the success of the company. The suite guys are rolling in it.
But go ahead and do your big who-hoo, shows your ignorance about how things really are.
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Post by OldCoyote on May 4, 2019 9:02:22 GMT -5
If they are so good at what they do,, go some where else,, or start your own Co. That' where the rubber meets the road,, start your own co.,, You will find out real quick if your as good as you think!! No,it's Wooooo Hooooo, You are the one in charge of your own destiny!` You,,, look in the mirror , You are the one that has to make it happen!! Not some politician.
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Post by Value Buy on May 4, 2019 9:05:39 GMT -5
Like I said: Two Americas The upper echelon seems to believe the lower class is out to get them, when in all honest, it's the other way around. The guys in my shop, who cannot have their cell phone on their person during working hours, have to pass a drug test, and every minute is monitored, get a big fat $0 for the success of the company. The suite guys are rolling in it. But go ahead and do your big who-hoo, shows your ignorance about how things really are. Yeh passing a drug test is such a high bar....like let them operate the equipment.......cellphone on the job, Why?? If you are assigned a cellphone by your company fine. worl related, other than that go fish. It is impossible to keep the worker bees off the internet buying shit for home as it is..... Remember when you are working you are working for someone else. They get to set the rules. If the rules are way out of line, move on to somewhere else and goof off. Businesses are not the local state and federal government where eyeryone is not held accountable for producing results, and busy planning the next political junket at taxpayer's expense
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Post by OldCoyote on May 4, 2019 9:06:21 GMT -5
Like I said: Two Americas The upper echelon seems to believe the lower class is out to get them, when in all honest, it's the other way around. The guys in my shop, who cannot have their cell phone on their person during working hours, have to pass a drug test, and every minute is monitored, get a big fat $0 for the success of the company. The suite guys are rolling in it. But go ahead and do your big who-hoo, shows your ignorance about how things really are. Ahhhh, maybe that is what they are paid to do! My guess is you are a trouble maker rather than a mover!! I did not know you worked for DJ!!
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Post by tbop77 on May 4, 2019 9:15:22 GMT -5
Too blind or ignorant to even grasp the concept of what I am saying.
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Post by billisonboard on May 4, 2019 9:20:56 GMT -5
How Mussolini "made the trains run on time" is a great cautionary tale for these days.
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Post by Value Buy on May 4, 2019 9:34:11 GMT -5
This is great news, but one thing I've notices is how crap the wages are, even for good jobs! I've been with my company for 12 years, hired in 2007. I briefly thought about making a change, and did some job hunting. Most of the jobs in my field are paying 10k+ LESS than I'm making now, some as much as 20k or 30K, and I'm underpaid. They are actually paying less than what I started at in 2007.
Tons of jobs don't help if the wages don't keep up with inflation. If the market says that comparable jobs are making significantly less than you are making now, why do you think you are underpaid? Salaries are driven by the market I can tell you that accounting salaries have skyrocketed in my area. I’m trying to hide a senior accountant (2-5 years out of school). I can’t get a new senior for less than $60k...and I live in the land of low cost of living! Remember how computerization gutted middle class jobs in manufacturing? It seems middle mgmt is now in the crosshairs, and might explain why so many layers of employment have their wages stagnating. Article is last year, but applies today. www.marketwatch.com/story/this-theory-could-help-explain-why-wages-arent-rising-faster-2018-08-06
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If the market says that comparable jobs are making significantly less than you are making now, why do you think you are underpaid? Salaries are driven by the market I can tell you that accounting salaries have skyrocketed in my area. I’m trying to hide a senior accountant (2-5 years out of school). I can’t get a new senior for less than $60k...and I live in the land of low cost of living! Remember how computerization gutted middle class jobs in manufacturing? It seems middle mgmt is now in the crosshairs, and might explain why so many layers of employment have their wages stagnating. Article is last year, but applies today. www.marketwatch.com/story/this-theory-could-help-explain-why-wages-arent-rising-faster-2018-08-06Happened where I work in my department, we used to have a Supervisor, Manager and a Director, now I get to do all 3 with the Supervisor and Manager roles cut.
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