OldCoyote
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 24, 2019 11:42:31 GMT -5
I wanted to give this it's own thread,
What is the reason?
What is the real reason we have an increase in police shootings? Taken from towards the bottom of the blog, Mike McDaniels is a retired police officer now school teacher,
Police Duty And Courage:
Police officers are, in many ways, special. I’ve already mentioned they must be able to multitask in ways that few can manage. They must also be steady, able to keep their heads when all about them are losing theirs. They must be natural diplomats, able to deal with a variety of people under all imaginable circumstance. They must be able to make rapid decisions under stress, and be 100% right 100% of the time. They must be able to use—or withhold–violence, but control it to fit widely varying situations. They must be psychologically stable, and able to deal with great stress over time.
I an going to break this up due to the length.
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 24, 2019 11:56:11 GMT -5
These are only a few of the qualifications necessary. You may, gentle readers, be less than thrilled to hear that many police agencies have a policy of hiring officers they feel are just barely smart enough. (Skip)
Should we strive to hire the most intelligent police officers possible, or are those that score at least 20, which is probably a bit below average, good enough?If a police agency strives for that level of mediocrity, due to diversity hiring ideology, or merely as an attempt to retain officers as long as possible, what can one expect from that agency? Is that the problem in Minneapolis? How about other agencies dramatically reducing their entrance requirements and disqualifiers, accepting people that have used serious drugs and/or have been convicted of serious crimes?
(skip) But what of duty and courage? Anyone enlisting in the military knows they could die. They are there, first and foremost, to kill the enemies of the Unites States, and those enemies want to kill them. How does this relate? Police work is different, but only in degree. All police agencies are paramilitary. The wearing of uniforms, rank structure, discipline, giving and taking orders, are all essentially the same. Anyone becoming a police officer must also be aware they could die, and they may be called upon to kill, though few ever do, thank goodness, and the substantial majority of those are lawfully justified. They too know their duty and choose to accept the risks–or so they? (skip)
But I don’t get paid enough to die for the public!
Recently in police work, the “go home every night at all costs,” mantra is being drummed into the heads of new officers. Combine this with the fact that so many recruits were brought up on shoot ‘em up video games, where they trained themselves to shoot first, fast, always, and ask questions never, and we have a potentially deadly combination. There is nothing inherently wrong with intending to defend one’s life, but all police officers must be willing to give their life to protect others. There is no greater love, and no more solemn duty.
If they are not so willing, the consequences are obvious. Innocents who might have been saved are not, because officers shrink from danger, and innocents who might have lived, die, because officers are too quick to shoot.
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Above all, capable officers know the vast majority of citizens are willing to obey most laws most of the time. They are no threat to the police. To think otherwise is paranoia. To imagine an ambush behind every tree is debilitating mental illness and a sure danger to the innocent, as Justin Damond realized in the seconds before her death.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 12:32:20 GMT -5
These are only a few of the qualifications necessary. You may, gentle readers, be less than thrilled to hear that many police agencies have a policy of hiring officers they feel are just barely smart enough. (Skip)
Should we strive to hire the most intelligent police officers possible, or are those that score at least 20, which is probably a bit below average, good enough?If a police agency strives for that level of mediocrity, due to diversity hiring ideology, or merely as an attempt to retain officers as long as possible, what can one expect from that agency? Is that the problem in Minneapolis? How about other agencies dramatically reducing their entrance requirements and disqualifiers, accepting people that have used serious drugs and/or have been convicted of serious crimes?
(skip) But what of duty and courage? Anyone enlisting in the military knows they could die. They are there, first and foremost, to kill the enemies of the Unites States, and those enemies want to kill them. How does this relate? Police work is different, but only in degree. All police agencies are paramilitary. The wearing of uniforms, rank structure, discipline, giving and taking orders, are all essentially the same. Anyone becoming a police officer must also be aware they could die, and they may be called upon to kill, though few ever do, thank goodness, and the substantial majority of those are lawfully justified. They too know their duty and choose to accept the risks–or so they? (skip)
But I don’t get paid enough to die for the public!
Recently in police work, the “go home every night at all costs,” mantra is being drummed into the heads of new officers. Combine this with the fact that so many recruits were brought up on shoot ‘em up video games, where they trained themselves to shoot first, fast, always, and ask questions never, and we have a potentially deadly combination. There is nothing inherently wrong with intending to defend one’s life, but all police officers must be willing to give their life to protect others. There is no greater love, and no more solemn duty.
If they are not so willing, the consequences are obvious. Innocents who might have been saved are not, because officers shrink from danger, and innocents who might have lived, die, because officers are too quick to shoot.
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Above all, capable officers know the vast majority of citizens are willing to obey most laws most of the time. They are no threat to the police. To think otherwise is paranoia. To imagine an ambush behind every tree is debilitating mental illness and a sure danger to the innocent, as Justin Damond realized in the seconds before her death.
The other side of the story, and a long time friend of mine. He could of used some of that illness. Quote; Officer Jim Sell was shot and killed during a traffic stop in front of the Brass Door Motel at 621 East Main Street.
He had stopped a vehicle driven by a violent assault suspect whom police had been searching for. The assault occurred at a New Bedford, Massachusetts, bar during the evening of February 1st, 2006. In that incident, the suspect struck two patrons with a small hatchet and then shot and wounded both men and a third man before escaping. The hatchet was found outside the bar, but the firearm had not been located. Quote; The suspect, who eluded a nationwide manhunt for 1,400 miles and two days, was pulled over for a traffic violation in the parking lot of a motel by Officer Sell at approximately 2:30 pm. The suspect immediately opened fire, striking Officer Sell once in the arm and twice in the head, killing him. The suspect then drove around the motel and returned to Officer Sell to retrieve his driver's license.www.odmp.org/officer/18137-officer-james-walter-sell |
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 24, 2019 22:14:53 GMT -5
I understand both you and AJ have had friends killed in the line of duty. Because of your post, on my personal list I will put you down as most police shooting are justified due to the ever increasing dangers that officers face. Answer this question, If you were sitting on the jury of the Noor,, PJ lady trial from what you have read so far do you think this was a justified shooting? Of course, I am assuming that you may have read my post on this, you may not have.
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