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Post by billisonboard on Apr 16, 2019 8:40:21 GMT -5
Heard on the today show they've already raised 300M for repairs. Do they not insure buildings over there? Many very large resource rich organizations self insure.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 16, 2019 9:04:53 GMT -5
The building of Notre Dame and St. Peter's Basilica/Vatican City are products of their time. All the decoration, gilt, statues, paintings, etc. and size of these complexes were desired by the people, even grudgingly by the poor, as a gift to their love and devotion to their God.
We may believe today that the money spent in the old days on the places of worship could have been better used to serve the poor. But it is what it is. These buildings are what they are.
Today these places, if for nothing else, are a history of those times. They can be that or they can continue to be sites for religious observance. Or both. Each of us must decide for ourselves what these historical and centers of religious worship mean to us.
But there is no reason not to maintain and restore these sites to their original glory. If for nothing else, tourism and the money it brings to the city and country.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Apr 16, 2019 9:42:33 GMT -5
Any word on the rose window? Did it survive?
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Post by grumpyhermit on Apr 16, 2019 9:45:06 GMT -5
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 16, 2019 9:45:10 GMT -5
Any word on the rose window? Did it survive? I read somewhere earlier one of the two rose windows survived. The other melted. ETA: Thanks for the update GrumpyHermit.
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Post by lynnerself on Apr 16, 2019 10:13:45 GMT -5
Crowds singing outside Notre Dame last night
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Post by justme on Apr 16, 2019 10:18:59 GMT -5
Heard on the today show they've already raised 300M for repairs. Do they not insure buildings over there? Many very large resource rich organizations self insure. Yes, but they don't then go asking for money from others. They self insure because they decided they could afford to rebuild if needed, so if that's the case they shouldn't need money. Though I'm not sure who actually started the collection of funds.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 16, 2019 10:23:35 GMT -5
Picture of the fire from above.
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Post by lynnerself on Apr 16, 2019 10:29:48 GMT -5
Many very large resource rich organizations self insure. Yes, but they don't then go asking for money from others. They self insure because they decided they could afford to rebuild if needed, so if that's the case they shouldn't need money. Though I'm not sure who actually started the collection of funds. 3 French luxury dynasties lead $700 million fundraising effort for Notre Dame
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Post by dezii on Apr 16, 2019 14:59:36 GMT -5
Many very large resource rich organizations self insure. Yes, but they don't then go asking for money from others. They self insure because they decided they could afford to rebuild if needed, so if that's the case they shouldn't need money. Though I'm not sure who actually started the collection of funds. I am sure go fund me sits will be set up so average folks will be able to give too and more then once as it will take decades to finish...even smaller donations will add up if given by millions which I expect...
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Post by oped on Apr 16, 2019 15:05:53 GMT -5
The building of Notre Dame and St. Peter's Basilica/Vatican City are products of their time. All the decoration, gilt, statues, paintings, etc. and size of these complexes were desired by the people, even grudgingly by the poor, as a gift to their love and devotion to their God. We may believe today that the money spent in the old days on the places of worship could have been better used to serve the poor. But it is what it is. These buildings are what they are. Today these places, if for nothing else, are a history of those times. They can be that or they can continue to be sites for religious observance. Or both. Each of us must decide for ourselves what these historical and centers of religious worship mean to us. But there is no reason not to maintain and restore these sites to their original glory. If for nothing else, tourism and the money it brings to the city and country. To me it was less the facility of St. Peter than its contents. The art halls of the Vatican I didn’t mind... beautiful history... but the mounds of shiny stuff in St. Peter did.... just gut reaction. ’
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 16, 2019 16:25:20 GMT -5
A French cultural heritage expert says France no longer has trees big enough to replace ancient wooden beams that burned in the Notre Dame fire. Bertrand de Feydeau, vice-president of preservation group Fondation du Patrimoine, told France Info radio that the wooden roof that went up in flames was built with beams more than 800 years ago from primal forests. He says the cathedral’s roof cannot be rebuilt exactly as it was before the fire because “we don’t, at the moment, have trees on our territory of the size that were cut in the 13th century.” www.ctvnews.ca/world/france-does-not-have-big-enough-trees-to-replace-notre-dame-s-medieval-beams-1.4382570
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 16, 2019 17:02:56 GMT -5
i'm glad Father Fournier and the fire fighters were able to save the relic. Members of religious orders often show their bravery. Father Mychal Fallon Judge comes to mind.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 16, 2019 17:05:30 GMT -5
The building of Notre Dame and St. Peter's Basilica/Vatican City are products of their time. All the decoration, gilt, statues, paintings, etc. and size of these complexes were desired by the people, even grudgingly by the poor, as a gift to their love and devotion to their God. We may believe today that the money spent in the old days on the places of worship could have been better used to serve the poor. But it is what it is. These buildings are what they are. Today these places, if for nothing else, are a history of those times. They can be that or they can continue to be sites for religious observance. Or both. Each of us must decide for ourselves what these historical and centers of religious worship mean to us. But there is no reason not to maintain and restore these sites to their original glory. If for nothing else, tourism and the money it brings to the city and country. To me it was less the facility of St. Peter than its contents. The art halls of the Vatican I didn’t mind... beautiful history... but the mounds of shiny stuff in St. Peter did.... just gut reaction. ’ Understandable.
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Post by happyhoix on Apr 16, 2019 17:39:44 GMT -5
A French cultural heritage expert says France no longer has trees big enough to replace ancient wooden beams that burned in the Notre Dame fire. Bertrand de Feydeau, vice-president of preservation group Fondation du Patrimoine, told France Info radio that the wooden roof that went up in flames was built with beams more than 800 years ago from primal forests. He says the cathedral’s roof cannot be rebuilt exactly as it was before the fire because “we don’t, at the moment, have trees on our territory of the size that were cut in the 13th century.” www.ctvnews.ca/world/france-does-not-have-big-enough-trees-to-replace-notre-dame-s-medieval-beams-1.4382570I bet Canada or the US still has some big ass trees that would work. It would be nice if we gave them back some superior beams in thanks for the Statue of Liberty.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 16, 2019 17:45:56 GMT -5
A French cultural heritage expert says France no longer has trees big enough to replace ancient wooden beams that burned in the Notre Dame fire. Bertrand de Feydeau, vice-president of preservation group Fondation du Patrimoine, told France Info radio that the wooden roof that went up in flames was built with beams more than 800 years ago from primal forests. He says the cathedral’s roof cannot be rebuilt exactly as it was before the fire because “we don’t, at the moment, have trees on our territory of the size that were cut in the 13th century.” www.ctvnews.ca/world/france-does-not-have-big-enough-trees-to-replace-notre-dame-s-medieval-beams-1.4382570I bet Canada or the US still has some big ass trees that would work. It would be nice if we gave them back some superior beams in thanks for the Statue of Liberty. Yes. From the link..... Meanwhile, David Elstone, executive director of B.C.-based Truck Loggers Association, said his province would not have suitable oak, but if architects required soft wood timber Canada could help. “We probably have a tree that would suit the needs of the architects that are trying to rebuild Notre Dame,” he said. “We grow large strong trees that you cannot find in other areas.”
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Post by laterbloomer on Apr 16, 2019 21:22:03 GMT -5
I've been to Notre Dame Cathedral too. It had some great art work but I've always had mixed feelings about it. It's another artifact of the Catholic Church hoarding millions of dollars that could be going to help their flock. Now they will raise and spend millions more to restore it. Just doesn't seem so spiritual to me. I look upon such expenditures as coming from the people....their faith...In this case it was a decision that was made 850 years ago....my suggestion on your dilemma….get over it already... guess u could say the same over all great monuments...Washington monument...those other special places in DC...for that matter. Westminster..Buckingham Palace...those English great homes... Kremlin, Tal Mahal, Stone Hinge....as examples. No, you can't say that about all other great monuments. Other monuments are not built by self proclaiming spiritual institutions that claim one of their main missions is to help the poor. And the decision was not made once 850 years ago and over, it continues today. Look at the money already devoted to rebuilding it.
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Post by steff on Apr 17, 2019 0:49:43 GMT -5
anyone else find it interesting that no conservative posters have even offered up thoughts & prayers for this? Not a single comment on one of the most important and historical churches in Christian history.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 17, 2019 2:22:52 GMT -5
anyone else find it interesting that no conservative posters have even offered up thoughts & prayers for this? Not a single comment on one of the most important and historical churches in Christian history. Oh, but one did! Courtesy of Anonymous Source. "I thought you hated any that resembled religion. this was Frances loss not our's."Meh, who cares? It was in France. Sounds about right.......
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Post by dezii on Apr 17, 2019 2:50:13 GMT -5
anyone else find it interesting that no conservative posters have even offered up thoughts & prayers for this? Not a single comment on one of the most important and historical churches in Christian history. Oh, but one did! Courtesy of Anonymous Source. "I thought you hated any that resembled religion. this was Frances loss not our's."Meh, who cares? It was in France. Sounds about right....... Thats your opinion....Mine is entirely different....not a Christian...not that observant really....Definitely not a Frenchman..have seen and toured the edifice in my life time ...twice...Was very impressed both times...and yes ...I did, do care....and when a "fund me" site is opened I will contribute something....not a lot but something and hope others do too....Won't expect anything from u and feel we'll survive that
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 17, 2019 3:39:29 GMT -5
Oh, but one did! Courtesy of Anonymous Source. "I thought you hated any that resembled religion. this was Frances loss not our's."Meh, who cares? It was in France. Sounds about right....... Thats your opinion....Mine is entirely different....not a Christian...not that observant really....Definitely not a Frenchman..have seen and toured the edifice in my life time ...twice...Was very impressed both times...and yes ...I did, do care....and when a "fund me" site is opened I will contribute something....not a lot but something and hope others do too....Won't expect anything from u and feel we'll survive that That wasn't my opinion, Dezii. I was paraphrasing AS.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 17, 2019 8:49:37 GMT -5
I am so tired of people on Facebook, including my sister-in-law, posting pictures of the interiors of the Notre Dame Cathedral in Montreal or the Notre Dame Cathedral in Quebec City, Quebec, as the interior of the Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris.
Do some research, people.
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Post by bean29 on Apr 17, 2019 9:09:34 GMT -5
Well, it did not sit real well with me when my SIL posted a picture of her and my brother in front of Notre Dame Cathedral from their trip to Europe a few years ago. It just felt braggy to me. Like I was there and you will never be able to see it.
That said, I feel absolutely no inclination to donate to the rebuilding fund. I have at least a hundred places where my hard earned money is better spent.
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Post by cktc on Apr 17, 2019 10:48:03 GMT -5
Well, it did not sit real well with me when my SIL posted a picture of her and my brother in front of Notre Dame Cathedral from their trip to Europe a few years ago. It just felt braggy to me. Like I was there and you will never be able to see it.
I love when people share their photos. I haven't been yet and still hope to visit someday, but I'm happy that others were able to appreciate it before the fire. Of course I appreciate people sharing travel photos in general. There are so many great places to visit in the world and I'll never have the chance to see them all myself. I've spent like 10 weeks in Italy over the years and still have list upon list of sites I want to go back and visit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 10:55:13 GMT -5
Well, it did not sit real well with me when my SIL posted a picture of her and my brother in front of Notre Dame Cathedral from their trip to Europe a few years ago. It just felt braggy to me. Like I was there and you will never be able to see it.
That said, I feel absolutely no inclination to donate to the rebuilding fund. I have at least a hundred places where my hard earned money is better spent. I don't think people are bragging by posting pictures of themselves there. I think its' more about reminiscing than anything. But, you will be able to go there. It won't have the 12th century timber framework anymore, but it will be restored.
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Post by NastyWoman on Apr 17, 2019 11:26:11 GMT -5
Well, it did not sit real well with me when my SIL posted a picture of her and my brother in front of Notre Dame Cathedral from their trip to Europe a few years ago. It just felt braggy to me. Like I was there and you will never be able to see it.
That said, I feel absolutely no inclination to donate to the rebuilding fund. I have at least a hundred places where my hard earned money is better spent. I don't think people are bragging by posting pictures of themselves there. I think its' more about reminiscing than anything. But, you will be able to go there. It won't have the 12th century timber framework anymore, but it will be restored. I could not help but dig into my pictures of my looking out over Paris next to a gargoyle. Or the one, taken many years later when DSIS2 and I took DS2 to Paris and we took a night tour on the Seine around the Ile de la Cite passing the Notre Dame at night with all those lights. There were other visits to Paris over the years with many more photo's (it was only ~ 250 miles from where I grew up) that brought up many treasured memories, but damn I HAVE GOTTEN OLD...
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Post by dezii on Apr 17, 2019 12:14:31 GMT -5
Thats your opinion....Mine is entirely different....not a Christian...not that observant really....Definitely not a Frenchman..have seen and toured the edifice in my life time ...twice...Was very impressed both times...and yes ...I did, do care....and when a "fund me" site is opened I will contribute something....not a lot but something and hope others do too....Won't expect anything from u and feel we'll survive that That wasn't my opinion, Dezii. I was paraphrasing AS. gotcha...sorry...me bad...….. ……..
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Post by happyhoix on Apr 17, 2019 12:20:07 GMT -5
I am so tired of people on Facebook, including my sister-in-law, posting pictures of the interiors of the Notre Dame Cathedral in Montreal or the Notre Dame Cathedral in Quebec City, Quebec, as the interior of the Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris. Do some research, people. What, all Notre Dames are not copies of the original?
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Post by bean29 on Apr 17, 2019 13:27:15 GMT -5
Well, it did not sit real well with me when my SIL posted a picture of her and my brother in front of Notre Dame Cathedral from their trip to Europe a few years ago. It just felt braggy to me. Like I was there and you will never be able to see it.
I love when people share their photos. I haven't been yet and still hope to visit someday, but I'm happy that others were able to appreciate it before the fire. Of course I appreciate people sharing travel photos in general. There are so many great places to visit in the world and I'll never have the chance to see them all myself. I've spent like 10 weeks in Italy over the years and still have list upon list of sites I want to go back and visit. I generally agree with you. We also had dear friends visit Europe for a family wedding for 3 weeks in December. I love them, but by the end of the 3 weeks, I was pretty sick of seeing their vacay pics. They said it was very cold when they were there, so if we go, I will try not to go in winter. My SIL's picture did not sit well with me, jmo.
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