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Post by TheHaitian on Apr 11, 2019 16:05:04 GMT -5
How long before we see a change?
My wife was supposed to go to HR today because they have this weird thing that HR/Benefits is to approve any rollover she does.
We closed two of her old retirement accounts and to chose to roll them over to her current 403b.
Anyway I asked her today if she went to see the HR/Benefits lady during her lunch? She said: no she was busy but she emailed. And who said “she” was a lady?
I thought for a minute and she is right, my wife never said she was a lady. As I explained to her, my bad for assuming, but in my 16 year career, 90% of the time HR / Benefits positions are filled by women, same for nursing, daycare centers, elementary teachers administrative assistants, receptionists...
Anyway you get the gist, yes little by little I have met some “men” filling those positions (thus the 90%)... but it is a long way from being a fair or close to fair breakdown among the sexes.
And after all this, SHE was a lady, so why put me on the spot 😂😂😂... because I was being sexist. But I was right!
Do you agree that some field are heavy of 1 sex vs the other? Which fields come to mind besides the one I have mentioned (construction - men heavy)?
And do you see that changing in your lifetime or anytime soon? Why or why not?
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Post by NoNamePerson on Apr 11, 2019 16:18:44 GMT -5
How long before we see a change? My wife was supposed to go to HR today because they have this weird thing that HR/Benefits is to approve any rollover she does. We closed two of her old retirement accounts and to chose to roll them over to her current 403b. Anyway I asked her today if she went to see the HR/Benefits lady during her lunch? She said: no she was busy but she emailed. And who said “she” was a lady? I thought for a minute and she is right, my wife never said she was a lady. As I explained to her, my bad for assuming, but in my 16 year career, 90% of the time HR / Benefits positions are filled by women, same for nursing, daycare centers, elementary teachers administrative assistants, receptionists... Anyway you get the gist, yes little by little I have met some “men” filling those positions (thus the 90%)... but it is a long way from being a fair or close to fair breakdown among the sexes. And after all this, SHE was a lady, so why put me on the spot 😂😂😂... because I was being sexist. But I was right! Do you agree that some field are heavy of 1 sex vs the other? Which fields come to mind besides the one I have mentioned (construction - men heavy)? And do you see that changing in your lifetime or anytime soon? Why or why not? If you had said the HR/Benefits man she probably would have said "a woman can be HR/Benefits" Damned if you do and damned if you don't!!
Next time just ask if she saw the human in charge presuming that a robot isn't doing the job!!
As for the question I am old enough to have seen a ton of changes in all fields so we'll let the young folks answer this one.
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Post by movingforward on Apr 11, 2019 16:35:30 GMT -5
Fire fighters come to mind and I don't see it changing too much in the future due to the strength factor. I realize there are some physically strong women out there but not a ton. When you have to lift someone out of a burning building physical strength is a huge factor.
Women have advanced a great deal in the medical field. I think we will continue to see a lot of crossover (e.g. more female doctors and more male nurses) in the future.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Apr 11, 2019 16:55:03 GMT -5
I remember a time when you never saw a man in a classroom unless at college level. Funny thing is now that I think of it the principals of those schools were all male to the best of my recollection. I'm going back to my elementary, junior high, high school days and that was long long ago.
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Post by tractor on Apr 11, 2019 17:01:01 GMT -5
Linemen, I don’t know if I have ever met a female linemen. I hope they are out there, because we have such a shortage of skilled trades right now, we need all the help we can get.
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Post by phil5185 on Apr 11, 2019 17:22:41 GMT -5
Pharmacists. 40 or 50 years ago, nearly all pharmacists were men. Today, way more than 50% are women. And an even higher % of pharmist students are women.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 11, 2019 17:35:42 GMT -5
TheHaitian-you're not wrong in your observation of HR being majority female employees. A lot of it too depends on the HR department/division too and the company or corporation. In my job function within HR, HR advisor, there were more females in headquarters where I worked but an almost equal number of men and women in the field. One observation I noticed during meetings of HR advisors from headquarters and from the field is many more were left-handed, a far higher percentage than the estimated 10% of all humans.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 11, 2019 17:52:09 GMT -5
Linemen, I don’t know if I have ever met a female linemen. I hope they are out there, because we have such a shortage of skilled trades right now, we need all the help we can get. They're out there.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 11, 2019 17:53:56 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 18:42:08 GMT -5
Pharmacists. 40 or 50 years ago, nearly all pharmacists were men. Today, way more than 50% are women. And an even higher % of pharmacist students are women. You are right. I remember wishing I had thought of pharmacy when my daughter became one. I don't like blood so I would have made a terrible doctor or nurse. But I probably would have liked pharmacy. Despite being an English teacher, math and science were my strong points. My first degree was actually a Bachelor of Science, which is pretty unheard of for someone who majored in English and Social Studies. What can I say? I like science. All that said, Andy Griffith had a girlfriend who was a pharmacist. I think her name was Miss Ellie. His others were pretty traditional for that time period--a couple of nurses and a teacher. I lived in a small town 40 years ago. The pharmacist was married to another pharmacist. They had two stores in two small neighboring towns. Each of them was the pharmacist at one. I think of airline pilots as a male profession. Either that or you guys are lousy drivers. You never hear of female airline pilots in those horrible crashes!
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Post by Miss Tequila on Apr 11, 2019 19:11:24 GMT -5
I just had this happen to me. I had to find a new dentist and wound up going to a dentist very close to my house. One of the owners of my company also sees the dentist and in pure coidcidence he had an appointment 2 hours after me. I got talking with the dental hygenist and mentioned where I work and she said “oh, John Last name of company” has an appointment at 4.
John told me the next day that she asked him if I was his secretary. He said “no, she is our CFO”!lol.
Gender bias is alive and well
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 11, 2019 19:16:44 GMT -5
Pharmacists. 40 or 50 years ago, nearly all pharmacists were men. Today, way more than 50% are women. And an even higher % of pharmacist students are women. You are right. I remember wishing I had thought of pharmacy when my daughter became one. I don't like blood so I would have made a terrible doctor or nurse. But I probably would have liked pharmacy. Despite being an English teacher, math and science were my strong points. My first degree was actually a Bachelor of Science, which is pretty unheard of for someone who majored in English and Social Studies. What can I say? I like science. All that said, Andy Griffith had a girlfriend who was a pharmacist. I think her name was Miss Ellie. His others were pretty traditional for that time period--a couple of nurses and a teacher. I lived in a small town 40 years ago. The pharmacist was married to another pharmacist. They had two stores in two small neighboring towns. Each of them was the pharmacist at one. I think of airline pilots as a male profession. Either that or you guys are lousy drivers. You never hear of female airline pilots in those horrible crashes!Only one comes to my mind in the U.S.: Colgan Air Flight 3407, February 12, 2009 on approach to Buffalo, NY. The co-pilot was female. Cockpit crews are still primarily male but the number of female airline pilots are growing.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Apr 11, 2019 19:29:21 GMT -5
I just had this happen to me. I had to find a new dentist and wound up going to a dentist very close to my house. One of the owners of my company also sees the dentist and in pure coidcidence he had an appointment 2 hours after me. I got talking with the dental hygenist and mentioned where I work and she said “oh, John Last name of company” has an appointment at 4. John told me the next day that she asked him if I was his secretary. He said “no, she is our CFO”!lol. Gender bias is alive and well Once my wife had to take our son to my male chauvinist barber. He asked where she worked. Then asked if she was a secretary. My son cringed. She told him she was a department head.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Apr 11, 2019 19:31:58 GMT -5
I just had this happen to me. I had to find a new dentist and wound up going to a dentist very close to my house. One of the owners of my company also sees the dentist and in pure coidcidence he had an appointment 2 hours after me. I got talking with the dental hygenist and mentioned where I work and she said “oh, John Last name of company” has an appointment at 4. John told me the next day that she asked him if I was his secretary. He said “no, she is our CFO”!lol. Gender bias is alive and well Once my wife had to take our son to my male chauvinist barber. He asked where she worked. Then asked if she was a secretary. My son cringed. She told him she was a department head. [ Lol! I honestly just laughed about it. But people definitely do have gender bias
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Apr 11, 2019 19:37:42 GMT -5
I retired from the Naval Air Reserves. We had female pilots. Initially just transport planes then fighters used in combat.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Apr 11, 2019 19:50:18 GMT -5
I just had this happen to me. I had to find a new dentist and wound up going to a dentist very close to my house. One of the owners of my company also sees the dentist and in pure coidcidence he had an appointment 2 hours after me. I got talking with the dental hygenist and mentioned where I work and she said “oh, John Last name of company” has an appointment at 4. John told me the next day that she asked him if I was his secretary. He said “no, she is our CFO”!lol. Gender bias is alive and well Once my wife had to take our son to my male chauvinist barber. He asked where she worked. Then asked if she was a secretary. My son cringed. She told him she was a department head. I probably would have told him I was a Madame!
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Apr 11, 2019 19:52:12 GMT -5
I am the only female on our team of twenty, although there are some females in this profession, they are still few and far between.
Once I was comfortable in my line of work, back 27 years ago, it started to irritate me that clients assumed I was a receptionist. They changed their opinion once it was understood that they were in the office so I could help them with project problems.
If I remember, Apple is in a heavily male dominated industry as well, and damn good at what she does, better than some of the men.
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Post by steph08 on Apr 11, 2019 20:07:45 GMT -5
We had a contractor out the other day to discuss building a house. The contractor asked my DH what he does for a living but never asked me. And I make 40% more than he does!
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Apr 11, 2019 20:28:43 GMT -5
A house siding salesman stopped buy (I hadn't called him) to give us an estimate but wouldn't do it without my wife present. Guess he expected her to be an easy sale and talk me into it. Oh he was so wrong.
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Post by alabamagal on Apr 11, 2019 20:30:02 GMT -5
Linemen, I don’t know if I have ever met a female linemen. I hope they are out there, because we have such a shortage of skilled trades right now, we need all the help we can get. My first though was football lineman.
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Post by irishpad on Apr 11, 2019 20:40:17 GMT -5
I am the only female on our team of twenty, although there are some females in this profession, they are still few and far between. Once I was comfortable in my line of work, back 27 years ago, it started to irritate me that clients assumed I was a receptionist. They changed their opinion once it was understood that they were in the office so I could help them with project problems. If I remember, Apple is in a heavily male dominated industry as well, and damn good at what she does, better than some most of the men. Fixed
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Post by laterbloomer on Apr 11, 2019 20:45:01 GMT -5
How long before we see a change? My wife was supposed to go to HR today because they have this weird thing that HR/Benefits is to approve any rollover she does. We closed two of her old retirement accounts and to chose to roll them over to her current 403b. Anyway I asked her today if she went to see the HR/Benefits lady during her lunch? She said: no she was busy but she emailed. And who said “she” was a lady? I thought for a minute and she is right, my wife never said she was a lady. As I explained to her, my bad for assuming, but in my 16 year career, 90% of the time HR / Benefits positions are filled by women, same for nursing, daycare centers, elementary teachers administrative assistants, receptionists... Anyway you get the gist, yes little by little I have met some “men” filling those positions (thus the 90%)... but it is a long way from being a fair or close to fair breakdown among the sexes. And after all this, SHE was a lady, so why put me on the spot 😂😂😂... because I was being sexist. But I was right! Do you agree that some field are heavy of 1 sex vs the other? Which fields come to mind besides the one I have mentioned (construction - men heavy)? And do you see that changing in your lifetime or anytime soon? Why or why not? This guy I know told me he had to go see his drug dealer, I assumed his drug dealer was a black guy. I know I was being racist but I was right!!! This proves most drug dealers are black guys and it was okay that I said it. You're part of the problem or part of the solution Carl.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 11, 2019 20:55:15 GMT -5
How long before we see a change? My wife was supposed to go to HR today because they have this weird thing that HR/Benefits is to approve any rollover she does. We closed two of her old retirement accounts and to chose to roll them over to her current 403b. Anyway I asked her today if she went to see the HR/Benefits lady during her lunch? She said: no she was busy but she emailed. And who said “she” was a lady? I thought for a minute and she is right, my wife never said she was a lady. As I explained to her, my bad for assuming, but in my 16 year career, 90% of the time HR / Benefits positions are filled by women, same for nursing, daycare centers, elementary teachers administrative assistants, receptionists... Anyway you get the gist, yes little by little I have met some “men” filling those positions (thus the 90%)... but it is a long way from being a fair or close to fair breakdown among the sexes. And after all this, SHE was a lady, so why put me on the spot 😂😂😂... because I was being sexist. But I was right! Do you agree that some field are heavy of 1 sex vs the other? Which fields come to mind besides the one I have mentioned (construction - men heavy)? And do you see that changing in your lifetime or anytime soon? Why or why not? This guy I know told me he had to go see his drug dealer, I assumed his drug dealer was a black guy. I know I was being racist but I was right!!! This proves most drug dealers are black guys and it was okay that I said it. You're part of the problem or part of the solution Carl. When I was much younger, I bought my stuff from white guys.
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Post by laterbloomer on Apr 11, 2019 21:17:43 GMT -5
This guy I know told me he had to go see his drug dealer, I assumed his drug dealer was a black guy. I know I was being racist but I was right!!! This proves most drug dealers are black guys and it was okay that I said it. You're part of the problem or part of the solution Carl. When I was much younger, I bought my stuff from white guys. Strangely enough, weren't you also a man in HR? ETA - My first reaction to your post was "Really? That's what you got out of what I posted?" I guess I was too subtle for you.
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Post by Apple on Apr 11, 2019 21:19:23 GMT -5
Aw, thanks Cheesy FL-Vol and irishpad (insert blushing emo) In my new position, there are a few guys who are definitely better than I am, but I've only been doing this new position for three years, and they've been doing it at least 18! (Plus, they've been at the current location for that long as well. I'm definitely better than some of them though I'd definitely still be a better electrician than 90% of the electrical crew here though. My first thought was "non-office jobs" in the electrical industry (generation, large distribution, local utilities, construction). I personally know five in generation (two are now retired), two in large distribution, and none at local utility or construction level (used to know one at construction level, but she moved to generation). It's safe to say I know hundreds of men in the industry. In my area, elementary school is dominated by female teachers (I remember four male teachers at elementary level, out of a total of 15 teachers. No male aides, no male office/library/playground teachers. Principal and janitors were all male.) But, in high school, I think I only had two female teachers in my four years there (Social Studies, and French). There may have been a fair balance of men and women at that point, but I took mostly advanced classes, and the women didn't teach those. I think in the entire time I've used my credit union (my account was opened for me before I could talk, and I started going there myself with my first job in fifth grade), I may have seen a male teller once. And I'm not even sure I did. I think there are a lot of reasons why some fields are dominated by one sex more than the other. Many reasons aren't "bad", but usually some of the reasons are.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 11, 2019 21:27:59 GMT -5
When I was much younger, I bought my stuff from white guys. Strangely enough, weren't you also a man in HR? ETA - My first reaction to your post was "Really? That's what you got out of what I posted?" I guess I was too subtle for you. I wasn't always in HR.
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Post by stillmovingforward on Apr 11, 2019 21:34:34 GMT -5
Engineering with manufacturing as a specialty. I lectured at educational conferences for a while. Everyone thought I was a teacher and wasn't I lucky to get a 'swag' shirt from an engineering company. Even now, I'm the rare one.
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Post by tskeeter on Apr 11, 2019 23:39:50 GMT -5
Pharmacists. 40 or 50 years ago, nearly all pharmacists were men. Today, way more than 50% are women. And an even higher % of pharmacist students are women. You are right. I remember wishing I had thought of pharmacy when my daughter became one. I don't like blood so I would have made a terrible doctor or nurse. But I probably would have liked pharmacy. Despite being an English teacher, math and science were my strong points. My first degree was actually a Bachelor of Science, which is pretty unheard of for someone who majored in English and Social Studies. What can I say? I like science. All that said, Andy Griffith had a girlfriend who was a pharmacist. I think her name was Miss Ellie. His others were pretty traditional for that time period--a couple of nurses and a teacher. I lived in a small town 40 years ago. The pharmacist was married to another pharmacist. They had two stores in two small neighboring towns. Each of them was the pharmacist at one. I think of airline pilots as a male profession. Either that or you guys are lousy drivers. You never hear of female airline pilots in those horrible crashes! I believe the reason airline pilots have typically been male is that airline pilots came from the military, and the military didn’t train female pilots until relatively recently. Especially for combat roles. Female pilots who aspired to fly for major airlines were pretty much forced to pay for expensive flight training that the guys got for free in the military. And then women had to fly thousands of hours at low pay for small airlines to build up the hours of flight time required by the major airlines. The combination of these requirements made becoming a pilot cost prohibitive for many women.
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Post by alabamagal on Apr 12, 2019 6:08:39 GMT -5
My first thought was you were not being sexist, you were stereotyping. But according to online definition that is a form of sexism, but in my my mind only a minor offense. To me it is worse when you believe that only men or women are allowed to do certain professions.
I have a near-brother (not technically related but practically adopted by my parents) who went into nursing many years ago when it was unusual for men to go into nursing. He started out as an EMT, which is more male dominated, but then started studying for his BS in nursing. The job requires more education and has a lot better pay. He has done really well in his career.
DH was a middle school teacher for several years in the 1980s, which iOS still more female dominated, though not as much as elementary. He used to resent that the males were assigned extra duties that were more enforcement, like monitoring kids getting off bus.
I work in male dominated field. I don’t mind when people refer to groups as “he” or “you guys”. I would prefer that to trying to be more politically correct in pronouns which to me just points out the discrepancy. A couple years ago I went to company trading for engineers which was 95% male. The instructor would say “He (the engineer) needs to do this”. I was ok with this. Best part was shorter lines at break in women’s restroom! Just treat me like I know what I am doing, which I haven’t had an issue with
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Post by laterbloomer on Apr 12, 2019 8:04:38 GMT -5
Strangely enough, weren't you also a man in HR? ETA - My first reaction to your post was "Really? That's what you got out of what I posted?" I guess I was too subtle for you. I wasn't always in HR.
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