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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 17, 2019 10:57:13 GMT -5
How about Mexican Navy Seals stealthily entering the U.S. and poisoning commercial crop fields for years to come and also blowing up automobile and truck factories here so more vegetables, cars, and trucks are imported from Mexico. Nice try. We are stopping an ilegal invasion. If Mexico enforced their immigration laws they would not allow the people to just waunder through their country. Americans have to show their passports at all legal entry points into Mexico. Are Mexican authorities checking any id's at their southern border?I actually don't know- do you?
this brings up another point: have you EVER heard the US offer to help Mexico enforce their rather small southern border?
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 17, 2019 17:08:57 GMT -5
Nice try. We are stopping an ilegal invasion. If Mexico enforced their immigration laws they would not allow the people to just waunder through their country. Americans have to show their passports at all legal entry points into Mexico. Are Mexican authorities checking any id's at their southern border?I actually don't know- do you?
this brings up another point: have you EVER heard the US offer to help Mexico enforce their rather small southern border?
Didn't Obama do that? Or propose it or something?
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 17, 2019 22:47:47 GMT -5
I actually don't know- do you?
this brings up another point: have you EVER heard the US offer to help Mexico enforce their rather small southern border?
Didn't Obama do that? Or propose it or something? sure. but under Obama, net migration fell to close to zero. apparently he actually wanted to do something about immigration.
unlike the current president.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 18, 2019 17:37:37 GMT -5
Didn't Obama do that? Or propose it or something? sure. but under Obama, net migration fell to close to zero. apparently he actually wanted to do something about immigration.
unlike the current president.
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Well, it didn't ffffeeeellll like he did anything.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 19, 2019 15:59:18 GMT -5
sure. but under Obama, net migration fell to close to zero. apparently he actually wanted to do something about immigration.
unlike the current president.
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Well, it didn't ffffeeeellll like he did anything. that is because he was treated as a foreigner from day zero.
#sad
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 19, 2019 22:59:13 GMT -5
Didn't Obama do that? Or propose it or something? sure. but under Obama, net migration fell to close to zero. apparently he actually wanted to do something about immigration.
unlike the current president.
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Yea, we had net migration fell to zero cause there were no job for the illegals because Obama was so slow at bringing the economy around!! Then Trump hit the ground running,,, look how fast the economy came around then,,
Obama tried to take credit for it.
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Post by tallguy on Apr 20, 2019 0:32:03 GMT -5
How hard do you have to work at being so wrong every time? It must be exhausting!
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 20, 2019 1:20:48 GMT -5
How hard do you have to work at being so wrong every time? It must be exhausting! It's called having "fixed delusions". "Fixed" refers to the strength and persistence of the delusion. They won't budge, and are not persuaded by any arguments citing reality or facts.
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Post by tallguy on Apr 20, 2019 1:23:20 GMT -5
Either that or they are just trolling. Since it has been admitted more than once, I'm going with that one.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 20, 2019 1:26:41 GMT -5
In psychiatry, there's no point in dealing with fixed delusion through argument, coaxing or influence......not until the meds kick in.
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Post by tbop77 on Apr 20, 2019 7:10:40 GMT -5
I think DEM candidate for president should exclaim "I'M GOING TO BUILD A WALL AND MEXICO IS GOING TO PAY FOR IT" That should solve things right there!
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 20, 2019 8:31:29 GMT -5
In psychiatry, there's no point in dealing with fixed delusion through argument, coaxing or influence......not until the meds kick in. Been off the meds long?
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 20, 2019 8:57:51 GMT -5
Well, since Dec 21, over 25,000 have been dropped off , and I do mean dropped off, No warning,, A bus pulls up kicks them to the curb, That in Phoenix alone,,, Yuma is being overwhelmed,, I have no problem with Trump directing the Border patrol flying in the million or so expected seekers to San Francisco and Seattle airports, let them hang out there! Then maybe some one will figure out that there is a problem with this!
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 20, 2019 9:10:54 GMT -5
Yea, No money, most not speaking a second language, not even knowing where they are, little kids with measles, in the airports of major anti vaxxers,
Pregnant moms, all needing medical attention,, hungry,,,,,,,,,,,,, Also the ones that are rejected as asylum seekers ,, don't go home,, now they find ways to sneak across the border,, Now the Cartels are using the migrants, they organize them to make a run across the border,, at the same time report them a going to make a run for it ,
The border Patrol sends all resources to intercept them,, then the Cartels , move large quantities of drugs across the unprotected border,, easily Win Win!!
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Post by tbop77 on Apr 20, 2019 9:26:51 GMT -5
And you still haven't figured out that President Trump will huff and puff about all he is GOING to do all the while knowing it is not possible. 2 years + in office and hasn't made a dent in illegal immigrations.
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Post by tallguy on Apr 20, 2019 10:24:15 GMT -5
And you still haven't figured out that President Trump will huff and puff about all he is GOING to do all the while knowing it is not possible. 2 years + in office and hasn't made a dent in illegal immigrations. It's not so much the idea that it's impossible to do anything about immigration, it's that he doesn't really want to. It is FAR more important to keep it alive as an issue than to fix it. If it were actually worked on it would lose its impact. ALL of Trump's supporters are being played. They are just too stupid to realize it.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 20, 2019 12:15:02 GMT -5
Yea, No money, most not speaking a second language, not even knowing where they are, little kids with measles, in the airports of major anti vaxxers,
Pregnant moms, all needing medical attention,, hungry,,,,,,,,,,,,, Also the ones that are rejected as asylum seekers ,, don't go home,, now they find ways to sneak across the border,, Now the Cartels are using the migrants, they organize them to make a run across the border,, at the same time report them a going to make a run for it ,
The border Patrol sends all resources to intercept them,, then the Cartels , move large quantities of drugs across the unprotected border,, easily Win Win!!
Which second language do YOU speak?
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 20, 2019 12:23:20 GMT -5
sure. but under Obama, net migration fell to close to zero. apparently he actually wanted to do something about immigration.
unlike the current president.
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Yea, we had net migration fell to zero cause there were no job for the illegals because Obama was so slow at bringing the economy around!! Then Trump hit the ground running,,, look how fast the economy came around then,,
Obama tried to take credit for it.
there is some truth to your initial statement. but you are also neglecting the fact that he deported more people in 8 years than any president in history.
as to the economic recovery, he deserves some credit. more than Trump. being handed the baton with a 10 yard lead is totally different than having to triage the guy who ran the first leg, carry him off the track, and then take over the race. this is why Obama now ranks higher than James Madison on the presidential historians poll.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 20, 2019 12:26:35 GMT -5
And you still haven't figured out that President Trump will huff and puff about all he is GOING to do all the while knowing it is not possible. 2 years + in office and hasn't made a dent in illegal immigrations. It's not so much the idea that it's impossible to do anything about immigration, it's that he doesn't really want to. It is FAR more important to keep it alive as an issue than to fix it. If it were actually worked on it would lose its impact. ALL of Trump's supporters are being played. They are just too stupid to realize it. this is what I was trying to say earlier. acting all angry about a non-existent problem serves him far better than "solving" it.
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 20, 2019 23:52:59 GMT -5
And you still haven't figured out that President Trump will huff and puff about all he is GOING to do all the while knowing it is not possible. 2 years + in office and hasn't made a dent in illegal immigrations. I agree with You about Trump will not get this done in two years. The fact is no one can or will get it done in two or ten years. Look back to when Trump threw the ball at Congress over the Dreamer act,, They were given the chance to fix,, They didn't neither side!! Under the current political theater,, play acting,, no matter what one side does the other will do just the opposite. just for spite! The hatred that is displayed here is repeated a millions of times every day across our Country. So, We can look forward to much more of this, It is only going to get worse. Who is causing the great divide?? go look in the mirror,, the problem is looking right back at you! What is the solution? I will save you time,,, There is not any!
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 21, 2019 7:23:34 GMT -5
... Under the current political theater,, play acting,, no matter what one side does the other will do just the opposite. just for spite! ... My opposition to Trump's proposal for the building of a wall is not "for spite". I see it as not a cost effective use of resources.
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 21, 2019 8:25:02 GMT -5
Yeaaaaaa, How did We go from this to,,,,,, All those poor people,They are scared,,, let them in for free,, let them all in for free,,, We are rich,,
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 21, 2019 12:23:07 GMT -5
And you still haven't figured out that President Trump will huff and puff about all he is GOING to do all the while knowing it is not possible. 2 years + in office and hasn't made a dent in illegal immigrations. I agree with You about Trump will not get this done in two years. The fact is no one can or will get it done in two or ten years. Look back to when Trump threw the ball at Congress over the Dreamer act,, They were given the chance to fix,, They didn't neither side!! Under the current political theater,, play acting,, no matter what one side does the other will do just the opposite. just for spite! The hatred that is displayed here is repeated a millions of times every day across our Country. So, We can look forward to much more of this, It is only going to get worse. Who is causing the great divide?? go look in the mirror,, the problem is looking right back at you! What is the solution? I will save you time,,, There is not any!
Will it take two years for you to answer the question? You were bitching that the immigrants don't speak a second language. So, how many languages do YOU speak?
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 21, 2019 18:06:56 GMT -5
I agree with You about Trump will not get this done in two years. The fact is no one can or will get it done in two or ten years. Look back to when Trump threw the ball at Congress over the Dreamer act,, They were given the chance to fix,, They didn't neither side!! Under the current political theater,, play acting,, no matter what one side does the other will do just the opposite. just for spite! The hatred that is displayed here is repeated a millions of times every day across our Country. So, We can look forward to much more of this, It is only going to get worse. Who is causing the great divide?? go look in the mirror,, the problem is looking right back at you! What is the solution? I will save you time,,, There is not any!
Will it take two years for you to answer the question? You were bitching that the immigrants don't speak a second language. So, how many languages do YOU speak? Where did I bitch about immigrants not speaking a second language?
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 21, 2019 18:10:39 GMT -5
Will it take two years for you to answer the question? You were bitching that the immigrants don't speak a second language. So, how many languages do YOU speak? Where did I bitch about immigrants not speaking a second language? Right here. Yea, No money, most not speaking a second language, not even knowing where they are, little kids with measles, in the airports of major anti vaxxers,
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 21, 2019 18:38:34 GMT -5
Where did I bitch about immigrants not speaking a second language? Right here. Yea, No money, most not speaking a second language, not even knowing where they are, little kids with measles, in the airports of major anti vaxxers, Where am I bitching??
this is what is going on right now, ICE pulls up to a bus station, or church dumps them out! the only thing here that would be different,,, the in San Fransisco, Seattle,
Maybe you Liberals will begin to see the problem when you have several hundred thousand sitting around!
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 21, 2019 18:43:03 GMT -5
Well, since you WERE whining about them not speaking a second language, kindly tell the class how many languages you speak.
You can barely speak English.
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 21, 2019 19:11:39 GMT -5
Well, since you WERE whining about them not speaking a second language, kindly tell the class how many languages you speak. You can barely speak English. Welts, I was not complaining about not speaking a second language,
I am speaking about the dire circumstances that are happening to these people once they are released from custody.
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