OK No Wall,, What Is Your Solution?

[weltschmerz]

Apr 11, 2019 10:23:08 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Apr 11, 2019 10:14:29 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

So looking at this in relationship to the topic of this thread: Is the building of a wall along the length of the southern border the "something" that would effectively address this issue?

No.
It is one of several things that can be done.
With the wall, drones might work effectively.
With the wall, better security at check points would work more effectively.

Right now I am ok with Navy Seals going into Guatelmala, Mexico and disabling trucks and busses loaded with migrants. Shoot out the motor block on every vehicle. It is obvious these countries are using equipment to move migrants as an ongoing money making operation.
Since that will not happen, border security agents release tear gas at the fence anytime there are people within 25 feet of the border at all times. 

So, you'd be OK with Canadian soldiers barging into the USA, shooting and disabling American trucks, taxis and buses which bring people to the Canadian border? It is obvious the USA is using equipment to move migrants as an ongoing money making operation.

What the hell is wrong with you? Seems like you have no respect for international law.

[Tennesseer]

Apr 11, 2019 14:45:35 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Apr 11, 2019 10:23:08 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

No.
It is one of several things that can be done.
With the wall, drones might work effectively.
With the wall, better security at check points would work more effectively.

Right now I am ok with Navy Seals going into Guatelmala, Mexico and disabling trucks and busses loaded with migrants. Shoot out the motor block on every vehicle. It is obvious these countries are using equipment to move migrants as an ongoing money making operation.
Since that will not happen, border security agents release tear gas at the fence anytime there are people within 25 feet of the border at all times. 

The Mexican prohibition on pot, along with the relaxed US rules on growing pot, has reversed the flow of pot smuggling. It now goes from the States into Mexico.

So, sounds like you would be ok with the Mexican border patrol and cops crossing the border and burning down pot farms in Colorado and California? Blowing up every grow operation they come across?

Throw out the idea of sovereign nations. Interesting. Of course, I guess we'd have to pay for every school bus and city bus we destroyed thinking it was going to be used to transport illegals, but hey, we've got plenty of money for busting shit up and burning it to the ground, right?

How about Mexican Navy Seals stealthily entering the U.S. and poisoning commercial crop fields for years to come and also blowing up automobile and truck factories here so more vegetables, cars, and trucks are imported from Mexico.

[thyme4change]

First, we need bureacrats. We need to set up hundreds of courts to process all the asylum applications, clear the backlog and make the process faster for people trying to come in. If we could catch them and get them through the courts in a few weeks, they wouldn't disappear into our society and live in the shadows.

Second, they need economic development. Maybe we should send our best business people down to mentor them. I'm sure the Koch brothers would love that. If there are economic opportunities there, less will come here.

Third, we can't just give up helping countries that have huge human rights issues. Maybe we consider a different approach, but just letting them do whatever only means more people will have to escape their country.

[alabamagal]

Apr 11, 2019 7:14:18 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Apr 10, 2019 17:58:02 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Working within other countries to help provide a better life there so that fewer feel the need to emigrate.

The American ambassador to Ecuador (an Obama hold over) had been working with that country to reduce the pressures that cause people to immigrate to the US and had some success.

Then Trump took away the funding we'd been providing Ecuador so - oh well.

Trump is cutting funding to Central America countries - Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador. Ecuador is in South America, not part of the migrant crisis.

[engineerdoe]

Apr 11, 2019 10:23:08 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Apr 11, 2019 10:14:29 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

So looking at this in relationship to the topic of this thread: Is the building of a wall along the length of the southern border the "something" that would effectively address this issue?

No.
It is one of several things that can be done.
With the wall, drones might work effectively.
With the wall, better security at check points would work more effectively.

Right now I am ok with Navy Seals going into Guatelmala, Mexico and disabling trucks and busses loaded with migrants. Shoot out the motor block on every vehicle. It is obvious these countries are using equipment to move migrants as an ongoing money making operation.
Since that will not happen, border security agents release tear gas at the fence anytime there are people within 25 feet of the border at all times. 

The wall is a waste of money.  We need people along the border (and not trigger happy militia) and drones to help keep an eye on the border.  If you have a wall, you still have to have people all along the wall to make it effective and if you have people all along the wall, the wall becomes obsolete.  WE NEED MORE PEOPLE!  For the asylum seekers, we need to increase the number of people working on these applications.  Getting a definite answer of yes or no on asylum within a month of applying would also help slow the traffic because I believe it is likely a majority of the applications will be denied.  Right now, everyone is limbo and they want answers and those answers are years away.

[Tennesseer]

Apr 11, 2019 18:36:58 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

First, we need bureacrats. We need to set up hundreds of courts to process all the asylum applications, clear the backlog and make the process faster for people trying to come in. If we could catch them and get them through the courts in a few weeks, they wouldn't disappear into our society and live in the shadows.

Second, they need economic development. Maybe we should send our best business people down to mentor them. I'm sure the Koch brothers would love that. If there are economic opportunities there, less will come here.

Third, we can't just give up helping countries that have huge human rights issues. Maybe we consider a different approach, but just letting them do whatever only means more people will have to escape their country.

Fourth?: trump needs to hold his flapping lips and keep wee fingers off his cell phone. This latest surge of Central Americans, the vast majority of them families, are at the border because trump has said he is closing it. The Central Americans believe this just may be their last chance of entering the United states and saftey from crime like in their home countries.

The crisis is now trump created.

[mroped]

Apr 11, 2019 12:54:51 GMT -5 tractor said:

I think money should be spent to create a new immigration center, kind of a Ellis Island of the south. Require sponsors for citizenship, quarantine those who need it until health checks can be completed. It worked for my grandparents, why not use the same process again.

Twenty some years ago when I came, turned in to INS, they put me in detention. According to the papers/documents, I was not a prisoner but a “detainee”. But I did get a “PN”- prisoner number.
Detention was farmed out to state/county prisons. Berks County Prison(where I was housed for 3 months) had on average 125 immigration detainees a day. I one year, on immigration detainees alone, the prison turned a $2 million profit.
I got out fast because I had a bail that I paid but there were some that stayed in for up to 5-6 years to be processed.
It takes 4-5-6 preliminary hearings before the actual hearing and nobody knows why.

And quarantine, is typical 14 days(or was) while you get shots of all sorts of illnesses and ailments at 2 am because that’s when is your turn!

[OldCoyote]

Apr 11, 2019 10:51:51 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Apr 11, 2019 10:23:08 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

No.
It is one of several things that can be done.
With the wall, drones might work effectively.
With the wall, better security at check points would work more effectively.

Right now I am ok with Navy Seals going into Guatelmala, Mexico and disabling trucks and busses loaded with migrants. Shoot out the motor block on every vehicle. It is obvious these countries are using equipment to move migrants as an ongoing money making operation.
Since that will not happen, border security agents release tear gas at the fence anytime there are people within 25 feet of the border at all times. 

Americans tear gassing people who are in another country other then the United States. Really?

Why not? weren't we using drones to blow up one terrorist and in the process kill a whole bunch of civilians,, including kids.

[OldCoyote]

Apr 11, 2019 18:36:58 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

First, we need bureacrats. We need to set up hundreds of courts to process all the asylum applications, clear the backlog and make the process faster for people trying to come in. If we could catch them and get them through the courts in a few weeks, they wouldn't disappear into our society and live in the shadows.

Second, they need economic development. Maybe we should send our best business people down to mentor them. I'm sure the Koch brothers would love that. If there are economic opportunities there, less will come here.

Third, we can't just give up helping countries that have huge human rights issues. Maybe we consider a different approach, but just letting them do whatever only means more people will have to escape their country.

Trump is tied up at the moment!

[OldCoyote]

Apr 11, 2019 19:00:58 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Apr 11, 2019 18:36:58 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

First, we need bureacrats. We need to set up hundreds of courts to process all the asylum applications, clear the backlog and make the process faster for people trying to come in. If we could catch them and get them through the courts in a few weeks, they wouldn't disappear into our society and live in the shadows.

Second, they need economic development. Maybe we should send our best business people down to mentor them. I'm sure the Koch brothers would love that. If there are economic opportunities there, less will come here.

Third, we can't just give up helping countries that have huge human rights issues. Maybe we consider a different approach, but just letting them do whatever only means more people will have to escape their country.

Fourth?: trump needs to hold his flapping lips and keep wee fingers off his cell phone. This latest surge of Central Americans, the vast majority of them families, are at the border because trump has said he is closing it. The Central Americans believe this just may be their last chance of entering the United states and saftey from crime like in their home countries.

The crisis is now trump created.

Oh Boy,,

[Value Buy]

Apr 11, 2019 10:51:51 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Apr 11, 2019 10:23:08 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

No.
It is one of several things that can be done.
With the wall, drones might work effectively.
With the wall, better security at check points would work more effectively.

Right now I am ok with Navy Seals going into Guatelmala, Mexico and disabling trucks and busses loaded with migrants. Shoot out the motor block on every vehicle. It is obvious these countries are using equipment to move migrants as an ongoing money making operation.
Since that will not happen, border security agents release tear gas at the fence anytime there are people within 25 feet of the border at all times. 

Americans tear gassing people who are in another country other then the United States. Really?

No, keep the tear gas on our side of the fence. Hopefuly it trails off 95% of the time in a southward direction.

[Value Buy]

Apr 11, 2019 17:58:24 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Apr 11, 2019 14:45:35 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

The Mexican prohibition on pot, along with the relaxed US rules on growing pot, has reversed the flow of pot smuggling. It now goes from the States into Mexico.

So, sounds like you would be ok with the Mexican border patrol and cops crossing the border and burning down pot farms in Colorado and California? Blowing up every grow operation they come across?

Throw out the idea of sovereign nations. Interesting. Of course, I guess we'd have to pay for every school bus and city bus we destroyed thinking it was going to be used to transport illegals, but hey, we've got plenty of money for busting shit up and burning it to the ground, right?

How about Mexican Navy Seals stealthily entering the U.S. and poisoning commercial crop fields for years to come and also blowing up automobile and truck factories here so more vegetables, cars, and trucks are imported from Mexico.

Nice try.
We are stopping an ilegal invasion. If Mexico enforced their immigration laws they would not allow the people to just waunder through their country. Americans have to show their passports at all legal entry points into Mexico. Are Mexican authorities checking any id's at their southern border?

[Tennesseer]

Apr 12, 2019 8:34:46 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Apr 11, 2019 10:51:51 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Americans tear gassing people who are in another country other then the United States. Really?

No, keep the tear gas on our side of the fence. Hopefuly it trails off 95% of the time in a southward direction.

Yea. Let's set off mustard gas and hopefully it trails off 95% of the time in a southward direction.

That's trump fucking crazy talk.

[Tennesseer]

Apr 12, 2019 8:37:56 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Apr 11, 2019 17:58:24 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

How about Mexican Navy Seals stealthily entering the U.S. and poisoning commercial crop fields for years to come and also blowing up automobile and truck factories here so more vegetables, cars, and trucks are imported from Mexico.

Nice try.
We are stopping an ilegal invasion. If Mexico enforced their immigration laws they would not allow the people to just waunder through their country. Americans have to show their passports at all legal entry points into Mexico. Are Mexican authorities checking any id's at their southern border?

And U.S. navy seals  "going into Guatelmala, Mexico and disabling trucks and busses loaded with migrants. Shoot out the motor block on every vehicle"  isn't illegal or an act of war?



Something is wrong with you.

[NastyWoman]

Apr 11, 2019 22:31:57 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Apr 11, 2019 18:36:58 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

First, we need bureacrats. We need to set up hundreds of courts to process all the asylum applications, clear the backlog and make the process faster for people trying to come in. If we could catch them and get them through the courts in a few weeks, they wouldn't disappear into our society and live in the shadows.

Second, they need economic development. Maybe we should send our best business people down to mentor them. I'm sure the Koch brothers would love that. If there are economic opportunities there, less will come here.

Third, we can't just give up helping countries that have huge human rights issues. Maybe we consider a different approach, but just letting them do whatever only means more people will have to escape their country.

Trump is tied up at the moment!

I have a couple a spare rolls of tp that I am willing to donate to the cause. So dt can get of the golden throne, set his phone aside, and actually do something - though getting him involved in business will probably make things far worse considering his record of bankruptcies...

[Tennesseer]

Apr 12, 2019 10:12:13 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Apr 11, 2019 22:31:57 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Trump is tied up at the moment!

I have a couple a spare rolls of tp that I am willing to donate to the cause. So dt can get of the golden throne, set his phone aside, and actually do something - though getting him involved in business will probably make things far worse considering his record of bankruptcies...

Finally! A really good use for duct tape.

[NastyWoman]

Tennesseer you must not have been a fan of the Mythbusters. They did a couple of shows on the use of duct tape and how handy that could be. BTW did you now that Germans use the word "handy" for their cellphones? Maybe that is where dt's confusion comes from since he keeps insisting that his father was born in Germany

[Wisconsin Beth]

Apr 12, 2019 8:37:56 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Apr 11, 2019 17:58:24 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

How about Mexican Navy Seals stealthily entering the U.S. and poisoning commercial crop fields for years to come and also blowing up automobile and truck factories here so more vegetables, cars, and trucks are imported from Mexico.

Nice try.
We are stopping an ilegal invasion. If Mexico enforced their immigration laws they would not allow the people to just waunder through their country. Americans have to show their passports at all legal entry points into Mexico. Are Mexican authorities checking any id's at their southern border?

I was checked when I went into Mexico, but this was like 17 years ago.  I have no idea what's going on now. 

[billisonboard]

Apr 12, 2019 8:37:56 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Apr 11, 2019 17:58:24 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

How about Mexican Navy Seals stealthily entering the U.S. and poisoning commercial crop fields for years to come and also blowing up automobile and truck factories here so more vegetables, cars, and trucks are imported from Mexico.

Nice try.
We are stopping an ilegal invasion. ...

Yes, that would be what we claim is a valid reason to violate sovereignty. Other nations could be using a different reason. But their reason would be just as valid for them as ours is for us.

[thyme4change]

Apr 12, 2019 9:49:06 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Apr 12, 2019 8:34:46 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

No, keep the tear gas on our side of the fence. Hopefuly it trails off 95% of the time in a southward direction.

Yea. Let's set off mustard gas and hopefully it trails off 95% of the time in a southward direction.

That's trump fucking crazy talk.

Maybe we can take some of those little oscillating fans down there and line them up and blow all the poison across the border. I'm sure every Trump supporter would donate the janky ones they have in their basements.

[dezii]

Apr 10, 2019 17:15:58 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/analysis-the-border-is-broken-and-theres-no-plan-to-fix-it/ar-BBVO8Xj?ocid=spartandhp

Since we are all experts here, constantly handing out great wonderful advise to anyone and every one.

What is the solution to this immigration problem that is at our Southern border?

Attempt to keep them out?

Or Hey we are the richest country in the World,, Let them all in,, Free food, housing, medical, and a new car thrown in for good measure.

What is your fix?

Well u asked so the first thing to do IMHO is realize the Donald is not telling the truth as far as the hugh numbers coming over the border illegally...he is as usual a fear monger on topics he finds are politically charged...

Not saying there aren't border jumping and if more officers are needed then hire them...if certain barriers in certain areas according to the ones who are professionals and know where these barriers might be needed then fine, comsider building  them there...but to pay attention to the Donalds rants and lies...[yes the man does lie...like almost always..] is not the way to go.

[OldCoyote]

Well today I had a little talk about the border problem with my good friend and Ex, illegal, who still works around many illegals.

He said if My people heard me say this , I would Immediately be labeled a racist by My people.

He said that there were too many coming to the border now.

When I asked what happens to those that are rejected, He said that they then cross illegally.

When I asked how many are caught by the Border Patrol, compared to how many get thru?

He said many more get thru than get caught!

That was the result of my little question and answer session.

[spartyparty]

Better work on that northern border wall as well:


www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2019/04/15/judge-sends-canadian-us-prison-smuggling-immigrants-through-windsor-tunnel/3479300002/

[tbop77]

Apr 13, 2019 22:43:07 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Well today I had a little talk about the border problem with my good friend and Ex, illegal, who still works around many illegals.

He said if My people heard me say this , I would Immediately be labeled a racist by My people.

He said that there were too many coming to the border now.

When I asked what happens to those that are rejected, He said that they then cross illegally.

When I asked how many are caught by the Border Patrol, compared to how many get thru?

He said many more get thru than get caught!

That was the result of my little question and answer session.

So President Trump is making the issue worse? 

[OldCoyote]

Apr 16, 2019 15:25:51 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Apr 13, 2019 22:43:07 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Well today I had a little talk about the border problem with my good friend and Ex, illegal, who still works around many illegals.

He said if My people heard me say this , I would Immediately be labeled a racist by My people.

He said that there were too many coming to the border now.

When I asked what happens to those that are rejected, He said that they then cross illegally.

When I asked how many are caught by the Border Patrol, compared to how many get thru?

He said many more get thru than get caught!

That was the result of my little question and answer session.

So President Trump is making the issue worse? 

Actually our old asylum laws are making it worse.

[weltschmerz]

Apr 11, 2019 22:31:57 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Apr 11, 2019 18:36:58 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

First, we need bureacrats. We need to set up hundreds of courts to process all the asylum applications, clear the backlog and make the process faster for people trying to come in. If we could catch them and get them through the courts in a few weeks, they wouldn't disappear into our society and live in the shadows.

Second, they need economic development. Maybe we should send our best business people down to mentor them. I'm sure the Koch brothers would love that. If there are economic opportunities there, less will come here.

Third, we can't just give up helping countries that have huge human rights issues. Maybe we consider a different approach, but just letting them do whatever only means more people will have to escape their country.

Trump is tied up at the moment!

So, he must be with another hooker.

[OldCoyote]

Busy doing a great job of running the Country!!

[weltschmerz]

Apr 16, 2019 19:10:05 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Busy doing a great job of running the Country!!

Yep. Running it into the ground.

[OldCoyote]

Apr 16, 2019 19:20:04 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Apr 16, 2019 19:10:05 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Busy doing a great job of running the Country!!

Yep. Running it into the ground.

Market is up, every one that wants a job, has a job, lowest unemployment for the black community ever,

the so called market correction that most have called for hasn't,, North Korea has not sent up a rocket in like forever,

Muellers report for the Demo is the same as dead, annnnnnnd look at the Democrats, are self destructing,, with the clown car Train,,,,

Woooo Hooooo Trump is Making America Great Again,,, you guy's are so jealous!!

[tbop77]

Apr 16, 2019 18:57:12 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Apr 16, 2019 15:25:51 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

So President Trump is making the issue worse? 

Actually our old asylum laws are making it worse.

So, you are admitting that President Trump, whose signature campaign promise of stopping illegals, couldn't get Congress (that was controlled by his own party) to pass any laws, build a wall, or pretty much ANYTHING....and the problem is getting worse.