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Post by happyhoix on Apr 11, 2019 6:59:30 GMT -5
What did Barr's letter say about obstruction? Think carefully. Maybe go back and actually read it.
Ahhhh yes obstruction,,, notice that nothing else has been said about it,, Hmmmm, wonder why?? Like maybe there is nothing there?
Are you really not following along with what's been happening?
Muller released his 300 + report. Two people looked at it. One of them, Barr, summarized the results in a memo, after laboring over the weekend on it. (I spent more time doing book reports in high school, by the way).
In his summary, Barr claims Mueller said there is no direct evidence of collusion, but that there was evidence on both sides of the obstruction question, and Mueller did not make a determination on whether or not collusion occurred. It was Mueller's intent that Congress, not the DOJ, determine of collusion occurred, based on a review of the facts.
Instead of releasing the report to congress so they could review it, Barr has been sitting on it.
So no one has any idea what proof, on either side, Mueller found on the obstruction issue.
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Post by happyhoix on Apr 11, 2019 7:06:30 GMT -5
Here is a good indicator about what the Mueller report might include:
When Barr first issued his memo, Trump did his triumphant world tour braying about how he was totally vindicated and the whole thing was a witch hunt. He also repeatedly said that Mueller was a very honorable man.
Now, as we get closer to the redacted Mueller report getting released, Trump has gone back to calling Mueller and his investigators 'very bad people' and that the investigation was an 'attempted coup.' 'This was an attempted take down of a president, and we beat them.' www.politico.com/story/2019/04/10/trump-mueller-probe-attempted-coup-1264714
Trump is trying to chum the waters in advance of the report release, because he knows it has negative things in there that the American public doesn't know yet, and that Barr will get a lot of flak for giving the president a pass. So Trump has to energize his willing faithful to be prepared to ignore the whole thing when it comes out, and to continue, like some of our board members are doing right now, to insist that the Mueller report FOUND NOTHING.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Apr 11, 2019 7:26:21 GMT -5
The only people who DO know anything have come out publicly that the "summary" by Barr does not tell the true story about the report they compiled, and that it is worse for the president than his hand-picked toady reported. What the rest of us know is that you are once again spouting nonsense about something you know nothing about. I wish that could be a surprise, but it's not. I am suspicious of what the redactions are going to cover up.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 11, 2019 8:48:27 GMT -5
The only people who DO know anything have come out publicly that the "summary" by Barr does not tell the true story about the report they compiled, and that it is worse for the president than his hand-picked toady reported. What the rest of us know is that you are once again spouting nonsense about something you know nothing about. I wish that could be a surprise, but it's not. I am suspicious of what the redactions are going to cover up. I am pretty confident that we are going to find out what the redactions are.
it is just a matter of time.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 11, 2019 8:53:33 GMT -5
Here is a good indicator about what the Mueller report might include:
When Barr first issued his memo, Trump did his triumphant world tour braying about how he was totally vindicated and the whole thing was a witch hunt. He also repeatedly said that Mueller was a very honorable man.
Now, as we get closer to the redacted Mueller report getting released, Trump has gone back to calling Mueller and his investigators 'very bad people' and that the investigation was an 'attempted coup.' 'This was an attempted take down of a president, and we beat them.' www.politico.com/story/2019/04/10/trump-mueller-probe-attempted-coup-1264714
Trump is trying to chum the waters in advance of the report release, because he knows it has negative things in there that the American public doesn't know yet, and that Barr will get a lot of flak for giving the president a pass. So Trump has to energize his willing faithful to be prepared to ignore the whole thing when it comes out, and to continue, like some of our board members are doing right now, to insist that the Mueller report FOUND NOTHING. Bingo.
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 11, 2019 9:09:49 GMT -5
Ahhhh yes obstruction,,, notice that nothing else has been said about it,, Hmmmm, wonder why?? Like maybe there is nothing there?
Are you really not following along with what's been happening?
Muller released his 300 + report. Two people looked at it. One of them, Barr, summarized the results in a memo, after laboring over the weekend on it. (I spent more time doing book reports in high school, by the way).
In his summary, Barr claims Mueller said there is no direct evidence of collusion, but that there was evidence on both sides of the obstruction question, and Mueller did not make a determination on whether or not collusion occurred. It was Mueller's intent that Congress, not the DOJ, determine of collusion occurred, based on a review of the facts.
Instead of releasing the report to congress so they could review it, Barr has been sitting on it.
So no one has any idea what proof, on either side, Mueller found on the obstruction issue.
Nothing is really secret in Washington. if there was something there . it would be shouted from the highest media news stand!! Since there are no mountains in Washington,, which is well known for making a Mountain out of a Mole Hill!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 12:00:38 GMT -5
Any for direct Russian collusion, per the Mueller directive ? Quote; The Special Counsel’s investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 US presidential election.www.wired.com/story/mueller-says-no-collusion-trump-russia-investigation/Like Benghazi and many others, next to baseless. What did Barr's letter say about obstruction? Think carefully. Maybe go back and actually read it.
Why ? I didn't believe the collusion thing from the get go. It's like Benghazi #57, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 12:20:52 GMT -5
Any for direct Russian collusion, per the Mueller directive ? indictments? plenty. Any convictions for collusion, as the Mueller investigation is over ?
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 11, 2019 13:37:15 GMT -5
Any convictions for collusion, as the Mueller investigation is over ? investigations don't produce convictions. they produce evidence.
I am guessing you knew that.
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Post by happyhoix on Apr 11, 2019 14:28:49 GMT -5
What did Barr's letter say about obstruction? Think carefully. Maybe go back and actually read it.
Why ? I didn't believe the collusion thing from the get go. It's like Benghazi #57, lol. COLLUSION is not the same as OBSTRUCTION.
Trump admitted to obstruction on national TV, in his interview with Lester Holt. I'm sure that was included in the Mueller report.
And actually, the world is probably full of things you chose not to believe exists. Doesn't make them any less real.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 6:54:13 GMT -5
Any convictions for collusion, as the Mueller investigation is over ? investigations don't produce convictions. they produce evidence.
I am guessing you knew that.
Better yet. Any cases going in court for collusion ? Due to the evidence supplied from the now ended investigation.
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Post by oped on Apr 12, 2019 6:56:09 GMT -5
Never would. As that is not a legal classification.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 7:07:01 GMT -5
Why ? I didn't believe the collusion thing from the get go. It's like Benghazi #57, lol. COLLUSION is not the same as OBSTRUCTION.
Trump admitted to obstruction on national TV, in his interview with Lester Holt. I'm sure that was included in the Mueller report.
And actually, the world is probably full of things you chose not to believe exists. Doesn't make them any less real.
Really ? Collusion is different than obstruction ? I didn't know that. I thought they were exactly the same thing. Like speeding tickets and hunting without a license. If you go back and read my posts, you might see my point was baseless investigations. Not types of investigations. I'm tired of baseless investigations. Reply #5 then #20
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Post by happyhoix on Apr 12, 2019 11:59:58 GMT -5
COLLUSION is not the same as OBSTRUCTION.
Trump admitted to obstruction on national TV, in his interview with Lester Holt. I'm sure that was included in the Mueller report.
And actually, the world is probably full of things you chose not to believe exists. Doesn't make them any less real.
Really ? Collusion is different than obstruction ? I didn't know that. I thought they were exactly the same thing. Like speeding tickets and hunting without a license. If you go back and read my posts, you might see my point was baseless investigations. Not types of investigations. I'm tired of baseless investigations. Reply #5 then #20 So you admit the obstruction charge is not baseless and should be reviewed by Congress and the American people?
Good to know you've come around.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 13:35:31 GMT -5
Really ? Collusion is different than obstruction ? I didn't know that. I thought they were exactly the same thing. Like speeding tickets and hunting without a license. If you go back and read my posts, you might see my point was baseless investigations. Not types of investigations. I'm tired of baseless investigations. Reply #5 then #20 So you admit the obstruction charge is not baseless and should be reviewed by Congress and the American people?
Good to know you've come around.
As in an investigation of the investigation, will be reviewed ? I'm still waiting for the direct collusion evidence, you know, the Mueller investigation directive. Haven't seen anything. I watch most news channels every day, even the liberal ones, nothing.
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Post by dondub on Apr 12, 2019 14:06:00 GMT -5
Did Barr forget to show it to you?
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