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Post by thyme4change on Apr 2, 2019 8:39:39 GMT -5
My mom liked to rent old movies when we were kids, especially musicals. One of my favorites as a kid (I was 5 years old in 1988) was The River of No Return with Marilyn Monroe from 1954. I think I liked it because it was an adventure story, but I watched it once as an adult and I wonder what the heck my mom was thinking. Monroe plays a "honky tonk" singer, basically a frontier showgirl. There's a scene in the middle where the man chases her, tackles her, holds her down while she physically struggles and verbally tells him to stop. He kisses her, and she continues to struggle for a a good amount of time before finally "melting" and kissing him back. To a modern audience, it's sexual assault; in 1954, it was the perfect scene to highlight on the movie poster. I've seen the scene where the woman struggles until she melts into the passion hundreds of times - including recently. Specifically, I recall Don Draper doing it to Megan, while she was hitting him, but then it just turned into a passionate love scene. I am really sick of watching men rape women because writers think the "no means yes" narrative makes a great story. I wish I could recall other examples. I have been putting them out of my mind for years. But there are plenty of shows I have stopped watching and movies that went from good to bad because of that old stupid and harmful trope.
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I've seen the scene where the woman struggles until she melts into the passion hundreds of times - including recently. Specifically, I recall Don Draper doing it to Megan, while she was hitting him, but then it just turned into a passionate love scene. I am really sick of watching men rape women because writers think the "no means yes" narrative makes a great story. I wish I could recall other examples. I have been putting them out of my mind for years. But there are plenty of shows I have stopped watching and movies that went from good to bad because of that old stupid and harmful trope. Uggh. I know what you are talking about. And it annoys me too. I'm just not 100% sure I'd categorize the movie/TV trope of "woman sez no, man keeps pressuring, woman sighs and agrees" as rape. There's plenty of examples of "oh, the woman was just playing hard to get but she really wanted to" still on TV/Movies. It doesn't make it right. I generally remember The Crosby show couple Cliff and Claire Huxtable rather fondly. But, I did cringe once in a scene where Claire had had a tough day at work and Cliff was feeling a little frisky - so he did a little massage and a kiss and started moving on to more - but Claire wasn't having it. So they chatted a bit (witty repartee) and Cliff went in for a kiss when Claire was receptive to it, and of course Claire "sighed" and agreed to head up to the sack. I generally enjoyed the interaction of this TV couple - but that made me cringe just a tiny bit (Claire had a tough day at work - but her needy hubby didn't seem to care - although I get it that sex is fun and distracting). I wouldn't have said that was "rape" and I strongly suspect that many couples have interactions like this - a bit of back and forth (maybe negotiation?) before ending up in the sack and it's OK. But still... I thought it was weird that Cliff having to convince Claire to have sex was OK. I'm not sure I ever saw Claire say "no, not tonight dear". I 100% think it's a harmful trope.
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Post by ednkris on Apr 2, 2019 18:52:28 GMT -5
My mom liked to rent old movies when we were kids, especially musicals. One of my favorites as a kid (I was 5 years old in 1988) was The River of No Return with Marilyn Monroe from 1954. I think I liked it because it was an adventure story, but I watched it once as an adult and I wonder what the heck my mom was thinking. Monroe plays a "honky tonk" singer, basically a frontier showgirl. There's a scene in the middle where the man chases her, tackles her, holds her down while she physically struggles and verbally tells him to stop. He kisses her, and she continues to struggle for a a good amount of time before finally "melting" and kissing him back. To a modern audience, it's sexual assault; in 1954, it was the perfect scene to highlight on the movie poster. I was flipping channels and came on the tail end of some John Wayne movie where he was a cowboy. He was having an argument with some attractive woman, and ended up wrestling her over his knee and then spanking her, while the amused townsfolk looked on. Instead of her socking him one in the mouth, she 'surrendered' and fell into his arms, and that was the end of the movie. I guess he either ended up murdering her or they lived happily ever after.
Blech.
She was his estranged wife
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Post by daisy on Apr 2, 2019 19:51:41 GMT -5
I've seen the scene where the woman struggles until she melts into the passion hundreds of times - including recently. Specifically, I recall Don Draper doing it to Megan, while she was hitting him, but then it just turned into a passionate love scene. I am really sick of watching men rape women because writers think the "no means yes" narrative makes a great story. I wish I could recall other examples. I have been putting them out of my mind for years. But there are plenty of shows I have stopped watching and movies that went from good to bad because of that old stupid and harmful trope. The BIGGEST one of these for me was General Hospital (yeah, yeah I know ) but I was a junior in HS and within walking distance from the school so all of my friends and I would head to my house and spend lunch watching TV. I want to say we had a study hall period after lunch too, so we had plenty of time. So that was around the time of the "Luke and Laura" storyline...which started out with him raping her at the disco..and then suddenly they were IN LURVE and getting married and it was a HUGE deal with TV Guide covers and People mag covers and all that jazz. It horrified me - I remember being SO upset that the man raped her, violently I believe, and that lead to love and marriage? At that point I was done with GH and never watched a soap opera again. To this day I have issues with rape equating love and marriage or domestic violence being an acceptable part of a 'loving relationship'. Ugh.
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Post by happyhoix on Apr 3, 2019 7:16:13 GMT -5
I've seen the scene where the woman struggles until she melts into the passion hundreds of times - including recently. Specifically, I recall Don Draper doing it to Megan, while she was hitting him, but then it just turned into a passionate love scene. I am really sick of watching men rape women because writers think the "no means yes" narrative makes a great story. I wish I could recall other examples. I have been putting them out of my mind for years. But there are plenty of shows I have stopped watching and movies that went from good to bad because of that old stupid and harmful trope. The BIGGEST one of these for me was General Hospital (yeah, yeah I know [img class="smile" alt=" " src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/embarrassed.png"] ) but I was a junior in HS and within walking distance from the school so all of my friends and I would head to my house and spend lunch watching TV. I want to say we had a study hall period after lunch too, so we had plenty of time. So that was around the time of the "Luke and Laura" storyline...which started out with him raping her at the disco..and then suddenly they were IN LURVE and getting married and it was a HUGE deal with TV Guide covers and People mag covers and all that jazz. It horrified me - I remember being SO upset that the man raped her, violently I believe, and that lead to love and marriage? At that point I was done with GH and never watched a soap opera again. To this day I have issues with rape equating love and marriage or domestic violence being an acceptable part of a 'loving relationship'. Ugh. I remember the whole Luke and Laura stuff when it was happening - I never watched the show, though.
My roommate in college faithfully watched a soap every day. Once, she had some meeting or something she had to attend that was at the same time as her soap, so she made me watch it for her and take notes. I remember there was a gorilla that had escaped in Central Park, and the gorilla was a guy in a really cheesey gorilla suit; the poor actress had to act terrified when it was actually kind of hilarious. I'm afraid I wasn't a very good note taker, because I didn't know anyone's names, so it was mostly 'guy with curly hair comes into room, sees blond woman with pink dress, they glare at each other, dramatic music, commercial.'
Pretty much confirmed why I didn't like soaps!
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 3, 2019 10:01:25 GMT -5
I was flipping channels and came on the tail end of some John Wayne movie where he was a cowboy. He was having an argument with some attractive woman, and ended up wrestling her over his knee and then spanking her, while the amused townsfolk looked on. Instead of her socking him one in the mouth, she 'surrendered' and fell into his arms, and that was the end of the movie. I guess he either ended up murdering her or they lived happily ever after.
Blech.
She was his estranged wife So....that makes it okay? He had the right to spank a grown woman? Please clarify how your piece of information changes the obnoxiousness of the scene.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Apr 3, 2019 10:31:58 GMT -5
She was his estranged wife So....that makes it okay? He had the right to spank a grown woman? Please clarify how your piece of information changes the obnoxiousness of the scene. It doesn't. I have this on video tape and it's not just his spanking her with his hand. He's whaling on her with his hand, a shovel/poker/something metal and chases her all over the damn town to keep on hitting her. It's appalling. I think her hoops break while he's whaling on her.
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Post by resolution on Apr 3, 2019 11:34:46 GMT -5
It was legal in some states to beat your wife until 1920, when it was outlawed nationally.
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Post by swamp on Apr 3, 2019 11:45:54 GMT -5
She was his estranged wife So....that makes it okay? He had the right to spank a grown woman? Please clarify how your piece of information changes the obnoxiousness of the scene. well, you know, you have to keep 'dem bitches in their place!
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Post by movingforward on Apr 3, 2019 12:47:03 GMT -5
Hogan's Heros is on one of the very high numbered cable channels. So sexist. Three's Company is disgusting. I spent my entire childhood watching Hawkeye Puerce sexually harrass every white woman in Korea. TV was not 'better back in our day'. And we weren't better people back then either. Watching 'Mad Men' - a modern TV show about the 50's/60's, there were often scenes that showed 'normal' behavior back then. One of them show a man at a party grabbing and slapping some random kid (not his own) that was running around. Another one showed the family going on a picnic then getting up and leaving all their trash strewn over the ground.
I can remember both those kinds of things going on as a kid during the sixties, so yeah, people weren't necessarily better back then.
One of the craziest episodes to me was the one where everyone was working late. The men were chasing and tackling the ladies to see what color underwear they were wearing. I sat there with my mouth open for several seconds - WTF?
I often get irritated at my father because, as a lot of older white men, he has this idealistic idea of life in the 50's. I can understand being nostalgic. I think most people are regarding the time period when they grew up (I get that way about the 80's), but a lot of the things he says just irritate the hell out of me. Just last weekend he started talking about how "back in the day" teachers were a lot better because the profession consisted of women who didn't care about money. They went into teaching because they just really wanted to teach. I started laughing and said many of them went into teaching because they had no other option. Women were either a nurse, teacher or full-time homemaker. He went off on a tangent about how women could have done this or that but they "just didn't want to." He acted like sexism didn't exist and that women have had all the same opportunities as men since the dawn of time.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 3, 2019 12:55:15 GMT -5
I was flipping channels and came on the tail end of some John Wayne movie where he was a cowboy. He was having an argument with some attractive woman, and ended up wrestling her over his knee and then spanking her, while the amused townsfolk looked on. Instead of her socking him one in the mouth, she 'surrendered' and fell into his arms, and that was the end of the movie. I guess he either ended up murdering her or they lived happily ever after.
Blech.
She was his estranged wife So? What's your point? That it's OK to spank a woman if she's your estranged wife?
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Post by haapai on Apr 3, 2019 13:10:46 GMT -5
Hogan's Heros is on one of the very high numbered cable channels. So sexist. Three's Company is disgusting. I spent my entire childhood watching Hawkeye Puerce sexually harrass every white woman in Korea. TV was not 'better back in our day'. And we weren't better people back then either. I've always wondered if those syndicated comedies have been repackaged or re-edited to omit some of the most disturbing stuff. I cannot imagine some of the stuff that I grew up watching ever being aired today and I can easily see the holders of the syndication rights only offering packages that had been cleaned up.
Does anyone out there have any insight into whether this has happened? I'm not willing to go to TV tropes to find out. I have leaves to rake today.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 3, 2019 13:20:32 GMT -5
Hogan's Heros is on one of the very high numbered cable channels. So sexist. Three's Company is disgusting. I spent my entire childhood watching Hawkeye Puerce sexually harrass every white woman in Korea. TV was not 'better back in our day'. And we weren't better people back then either. I've always wondered if those syndicated comedies have been repackaged or re-edited to omit some of the most disturbing stuff. I cannot imagine some of the stuff that I grew up watching ever being aired today and I can easily see the holders of the syndication rights only offering packages that had been cleaned up.
Does anyone out there have any insight into whether this has happened? I'm not willing to go to TV tropes to find out. I have leaves to rake today.
They probably removed the problematic racial ones, but left in the misogynistic ones - because women shouldn't be so sensitive....
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Post by movingforward on Apr 3, 2019 13:22:29 GMT -5
So....that makes it okay? He had the right to spank a grown woman? Please clarify how your piece of information changes the obnoxiousness of the scene. It doesn't. I have this on video tape and it's not just his spanking her with his hand. He's whaling on her with his hand, a shovel/poker/something metal and chases her all over the damn town to keep on hitting her. It's appalling. I think her hoops break while he's whaling on her.
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Post by movingforward on Apr 3, 2019 13:38:30 GMT -5
It was legal in some states to beat your wife until 1920, when it was outlawed nationally. Even for several decades after that a lot of law enforcement, neighbors, etc. didn't want to get involved in domestic disputes. My aunt's first husband was abusive. She lived in a small town where law enforcement often ignored abused women in the 60's and 70's. The police would show up ask HER HUSBAND if everything was okay and then leave. I remember my grandmother telling the story about how she finally went over there while he was at work and brought my aunt back home with her. Apparently, the night before my grandfather stated that my aunt should stay with her husband. In his words "she had made her bed so now she had to lie in it." My grandmother said that was the biggest argument they ever had. In the end, she was going to get their daughter and that was that...
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Post by haapai on Apr 3, 2019 14:07:56 GMT -5
I've always wondered if those syndicated comedies have been repackaged or re-edited to omit some of the most disturbing stuff. I cannot imagine some of the stuff that I grew up watching ever being aired today and I can easily see the holders of the syndication rights only offering packages that had been cleaned up.
Does anyone out there have any insight into whether this has happened? I'm not willing to go to TV tropes to find out. I have leaves to rake today.
They probably removed the problematic racial ones, but left in the misogynistic ones - because women shouldn't be so sensitive.... Or perhaps because they couldn't edit out the sexism without running into the Benny Hill problem. That is, if they edited out the parts that made women wince or angrily turn off the TV, they'd be turning one hour shows into half hour shows or 300-plus syndication runs into packages of the 180 best shows.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 3, 2019 16:22:08 GMT -5
They probably removed the problematic racial ones, but left in the misogynistic ones - because women shouldn't be so sensitive.... Or perhaps because they couldn't edit out the sexism without running into the Benny Hill problem. That is, if they edited out the parts that made women wince or angrily turn off the TV, they'd be turning one hour shows into half hour shows or 300-plus syndication runs into packages of the 180 best shows.
If they removed the episodes where Hawkeye Pierce was a pig, there would be zero episodes available. Or maybe that one...
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Post by haapai on Apr 3, 2019 16:54:01 GMT -5
Or perhaps because they couldn't edit out the sexism without running into the Benny Hill problem. That is, if they edited out the parts that made women wince or angrily turn off the TV, they'd be turning one hour shows into half hour shows or 300-plus syndication runs into packages of the 180 best shows.
If they removed the episodes where Hawkeye Pierce was a pig, there would be zero episodes available. Or maybe that one... I think that I remember that episode. Wasn't that the one with a feisty nun and Hawkeye almost being court-martialed for giving aid and comfort to the enemy? The technology (that we've had for 20+ years) that allows us to speed up or slow down a given piece of programming without it being perceptible might be the only reason why something called M*A*S*H is still on the air. What was incredibly cool when I was a kid ain't cool now.
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Post by ednkris on Apr 3, 2019 20:54:47 GMT -5
She was his estranged wife So....that makes it okay? He had the right to spank a grown woman? Please clarify how your piece of information changes the obnoxiousness of the scene. No it doesn't I just know the movie. She was a spoiled woman acting like a child so he treated her like one. In real life it's not right but the plot supported it.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 3, 2019 21:15:11 GMT -5
So....that makes it okay? He had the right to spank a grown woman? Please clarify how your piece of information changes the obnoxiousness of the scene. No it doesn't I just know the movie. She was a spoiled woman acting like a child so he treated her like one. In real life it's not right but the plot supported it. So, I guess it's OK for anyone to spank Trump? You can't get a more spoiled man, acting like a child. Perhaps with a rolled-up magazine with him on the cover?
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 4, 2019 0:28:40 GMT -5
If they removed the episodes where Hawkeye Pierce was a pig, there would be zero episodes available. Or maybe that one... I think that I remember that episode. Wasn't that the one with a feisty nun and Hawkeye almost being court-martialed for giving aid and comfort to the enemy? The technology (that we've had for 20+ years) that allows us to speed up or slow down a given piece of programming without it being perceptible might be the only reason why something called M*A*S*H is still on the air. What was incredibly cool when I was a kid ain't cool now.
I was thinking of the one where he was alone outside of camp and got hurt and crawled into some random local's house and the entire episode was a monologue, I think some cathartic daddy issues stuff, maybe? I wouldn't bet money on my memory of the show.
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Post by Value Buy on Apr 4, 2019 9:21:25 GMT -5
I've always wondered if those syndicated comedies have been repackaged or re-edited to omit some of the most disturbing stuff. I cannot imagine some of the stuff that I grew up watching ever being aired today and I can easily see the holders of the syndication rights only offering packages that had been cleaned up.
Does anyone out there have any insight into whether this has happened? I'm not willing to go to TV tropes to find out. I have leaves to rake today.
They probably removed the problematic racial ones, but left in the misogynistic ones - because women shouldn't be so sensitive.... Try and find "Amos and Andy" these days.
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Post by Value Buy on Apr 4, 2019 9:29:49 GMT -5
I think that I remember that episode. Wasn't that the one with a feisty nun and Hawkeye almost being court-martialed for giving aid and comfort to the enemy? The technology (that we've had for 20+ years) that allows us to speed up or slow down a given piece of programming without it being perceptible might be the only reason why something called M*A*S*H is still on the air. What was incredibly cool when I was a kid ain't cool now.
I was thinking of the one where he was alone outside of camp and got hurt and crawled into some random local's house and the entire episode was a monologue, I think some cathartic daddy issues stuff, maybe? I wouldn't bet money on my memory of the show. The following pertains to most of the posts on this thread, not necessarily the one I copied. Oh people........ Get off the high horse. It was the sixties when the movie came out. Or maybe 1970. We were at war, we were at the height of the sexual revolution in America with the youth movement. Everything was fair game as far as sex. Shit, Hollywood always sold sex. Remember all the bathing suit movies and even Doris day hits? It was always sex. America loved it. Wnrt back to the Cagney or Gable movies. Even the gay community loved Rock and Tab. They knew they were gay, and enjoyed the sexual tension employed by them while hiding in plain site. Now let's ban all the racial music from the fifties and sixties as well as all the drug promotion from the fifties on up to today! Everyone seems to want big brother running the show these days........
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Post by Tiny on Apr 4, 2019 9:35:41 GMT -5
Hogan's Heros is on one of the very high numbered cable channels. So sexist. Three's Company is disgusting. I spent my entire childhood watching Hawkeye Puerce sexually harrass every white woman in Korea. TV was not 'better back in our day'. And we weren't better people back then either. I've always wondered if those syndicated comedies have been repackaged or re-edited to omit some of the most disturbing stuff. I cannot imagine some of the stuff that I grew up watching ever being aired today and I can easily see the holders of the syndication rights only offering packages that had been cleaned up.
Does anyone out there have any insight into whether this has happened? I'm not willing to go to TV tropes to find out. I have leaves to rake today.
I'm sure that many of the older shows have been edited mostly to fit in the current "run time" available. Back in the olden days a 30 minute "tv show" probably had 25 minutes or so of "show" and the rest was commercials. Now I think there's only 18 minutes or so of "show" in a 30 minute block. And the old shows get cut/edited to fit the new format. Commercials drive how much of an older show gets shown. Since they are cutting out stuff anyway - I'm sure they edit for "content" and probably look to cut the questionable stuff first. So, I'd extrapolate that yes, older syndicated TV shows (not just comedies) ARE repackaged and re-edited for content before they air. I have never had cable - but I hear there's commercials there too so it should be the same (they have to fit a 25 minute show into a 30 minute block with 12 or 14 minutes of ads.) .
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Post by swamp on Apr 4, 2019 12:07:39 GMT -5
I was thinking of the one where he was alone outside of camp and got hurt and crawled into some random local's house and the entire episode was a monologue, I think some cathartic daddy issues stuff, maybe? I wouldn't bet money on my memory of the show. The following pertains to most of the posts on this thread, not necessarily the one I copied. Oh people........ Get off the high horse. It was the sixties when the movie came out. Or maybe 1970. We were at war, we were at the height of the sexual revolution in America with the youth movement. Everything was fair game as far as sex. Shit, Hollywood always sold sex. Remember all the bathing suit movies and even Doris day hits? It was always sex. America loved it. Wnrt back to the Cagney or Gable movies. Even the gay community loved Rock and Tab. They knew they were gay, and enjoyed the sexual tension employed by them while hiding in plain site. Now let's ban all the racial music from the fifties and sixties as well as all the drug promotion from the fifties on up to today! Everyone seems to want big brother running the show these days........ From the white guy who wasn’t portrayed as a second class citizen
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 4, 2019 12:27:54 GMT -5
I was thinking of the one where he was alone outside of camp and got hurt and crawled into some random local's house and the entire episode was a monologue, I think some cathartic daddy issues stuff, maybe? I wouldn't bet money on my memory of the show. The following pertains to most of the posts on this thread, not necessarily the one I copied. Oh people........ Get off the high horse. It was the sixties when the movie came out. Or maybe 1970. We were at war, we were at the height of the sexual revolution in America with the youth movement. Everything was fair game as far as sex. Shit, Hollywood always sold sex. Remember all the bathing suit movies and even Doris day hits? It was always sex. America loved it. Wnrt back to the Cagney or Gable movies. Even the gay community loved Rock and Tab. They knew they were gay, and enjoyed the sexual tension employed by them while hiding in plain site. Now let's ban all the racial music from the fifties and sixties as well as all the drug promotion from the fifties on up to today!Everyone seems to want big brother running the show these days........ Sure, let's bring back the 50s and 60s drug ads. Ritalin if you're tired, and Valium if you're feeling blue. They were even pushing benzodiazepines, "so your wife will cook again."
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Post by Value Buy on Apr 4, 2019 13:40:54 GMT -5
The following pertains to most of the posts on this thread, not necessarily the one I copied. Oh people........ Get off the high horse. It was the sixties when the movie came out. Or maybe 1970. We were at war, we were at the height of the sexual revolution in America with the youth movement. Everything was fair game as far as sex. Shit, Hollywood always sold sex. Remember all the bathing suit movies and even Doris day hits? It was always sex. America loved it. Wnrt back to the Cagney or Gable movies. Even the gay community loved Rock and Tab. They knew they were gay, and enjoyed the sexual tension employed by them while hiding in plain site. Now let's ban all the racial music from the fifties and sixties as well as all the drug promotion from the fifties on up to today!Everyone seems to want big brother running the show these days........ Sure, let's bring back the 50s and 60s drug ads. Ritalin if you're tired, and Valium if you're feeling blue. They were even pushing benzodiazepines, "so your wife will cook again." I obviously did not make my statement very clear. I was referencing the iconic music groups as well as solo artists of the time period in their references of sex and drug use and how glorious it was.
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Post by Value Buy on Apr 4, 2019 13:42:37 GMT -5
The following pertains to most of the posts on this thread, not necessarily the one I copied. Oh people........ Get off the high horse. It was the sixties when the movie came out. Or maybe 1970. We were at war, we were at the height of the sexual revolution in America with the youth movement. Everything was fair game as far as sex. Shit, Hollywood always sold sex. Remember all the bathing suit movies and even Doris day hits? It was always sex. America loved it. Wnrt back to the Cagney or Gable movies. Even the gay community loved Rock and Tab. They knew they were gay, and enjoyed the sexual tension employed by them while hiding in plain site. Now let's ban all the racial music from the fifties and sixties as well as all the drug promotion from the fifties on up to today! Everyone seems to want big brother running the show these days........ From the white guy who wasn’t portrayed as a second class citizen Swamp, riddle me this. Who went to see these movies promoting sexual tension on the big screen? Your mamma and aunts!
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Post by NastyWoman on Apr 4, 2019 13:58:38 GMT -5
The following pertains to most of the posts on this thread, not necessarily the one I copied. Oh people........ Get off the high horse. It was the sixties when the movie came out. Or maybe 1970. We were at war, we were at the height of the sexual revolution in America with the youth movement. Everything was fair game as far as sex. Shit, Hollywood always sold sex. Remember all the bathing suit movies and even Doris day hits? It was always sex. America loved it. Wnrt back to the Cagney or Gable movies. Even the gay community loved Rock and Tab. They knew they were gay, and enjoyed the sexual tension employed by them while hiding in plain site. Now let's ban all the racial music from the fifties and sixties as well as all the drug promotion from the fifties on up to today! Everyone seems to want big brother running the show these days........ From the white guy who wasn’t portrayed as a second class citizen and that is exactly why I don't want them to edit these shows and movies! They show those golden leave it to Beaver years for what they were → or rather they put them in a better light than they actually were since they showed a "better" picture than reality provided. But who aside the "the white guy who wasn’t portrayed as a second class citizen" would actually want to dispute that reality?
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Post by swamp on Apr 4, 2019 13:59:56 GMT -5
From the white guy who wasn’t portrayed as a second class citizen Swamp, riddle me this. Who went to see these movies promoting sexual tension on the big screen? Your mamma and aunts! actually, my momma and her sister didn't. They lived out in the country and were dirt poor. There was no extra money for movies. My father's sisters, may have, however. And just because they went didn't mean that the roles people were portrayed in are OK. ETA: I don't think any of this should be banned. I feel the same way as NastyWoman, let's show the past for what is was, warts and all.
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