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Post by Value Buy on Apr 6, 2019 12:31:40 GMT -5
No, I did not think you were included. Until these women accusers stop using cosmetics, nail polish, hair care products, and not shave their armpits trying to beautify their features and attracting the opposite sex, they are wrong in their attempt to accuse Joe, and then say they wouild still vote for him. you really stepped in it, there. i won't bother pointing out why.
PS- thanks for giving me an "out".
I know I did that. I also want you to know I am not trolling.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 6, 2019 12:35:10 GMT -5
maybe he doesn't trust his naughty impulses. maybe he is gay. maybe he was beaten by his mother.
and you have a lot of gall calling out Democrats when you elected the Groper In Chief.
You are going to have a very bad next six years. how so?
first of all, i have not been a Democrat since i voted for Ron Paul in the primary. second, i am moving in (18) months, so how can you say what things will be like for me in (72)? finally, i don't usually have a very bad six MINUTES, so i am betting you are way off.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 6, 2019 12:35:47 GMT -5
you really stepped in it, there. i won't bother pointing out why.
PS- thanks for giving me an "out".
I know I did that. I also want you to know I am not trolling. i am sorry to hear that.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Apr 6, 2019 12:41:12 GMT -5
Then I don't understand the relevance here. You take your hand away. Depending on the situation you might be startled and jerk it away. Stand up and leave, maybe with an epithet on the way out. that is a partial answer. i asked if YOU considered the action a violation of my personal sovereignty. i didn't ask you what i should do.
but thanks for the partial answer. what i am really asking is this: "is ANY unsolicited social touching OK, in your opinion?"
I don't know. I can tell you that I've experience unwanted non sexual touching that I wouldn't make a big case out. If the person was going to run for president, maybe I would? In the type of scenario you describe it seems relatively low stakes on either side and if an "oh! sorry, not interested " puts an end to it does that make it wrong/bad or ok? Seems there would be a whole host of nonverbal that could push it into either category.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 6, 2019 12:48:44 GMT -5
that is a partial answer. i asked if YOU considered the action a violation of my personal sovereignty. i didn't ask you what i should do.
but thanks for the partial answer. what i am really asking is this: "is ANY unsolicited social touching OK, in your opinion?"
I don't know. I can tell you that I've experience unwanted non sexual touching that I wouldn't make a big case out. If the person was going to run for president, maybe I would? In the type of scenario you describe it seems relatively low stakes on either side and if an "oh! sorry, not interested " puts an end to it does that make it wrong/bad or ok? Seems there would be a whole host of nonverbal that could push it into either category. thank you for the direct and respectful reply. i feel like you got my question and answered it.
let me know if there is anything i left unanswered, and i will take care of that.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Apr 6, 2019 12:53:08 GMT -5
For everyone here that ridiculed and put down VP Pence for saying he would not get in a position of being alone with a member of the opposite sex, you might want to admit it may not be as obnoxious as you claimed at the time. He seems he was ahead of the democratic sex wave that we are now witnessing. Because men can't keep their hands to themselves? Hand over the keys to kingdom, weak-willed ones.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Apr 6, 2019 12:54:46 GMT -5
I don't know. I can tell you that I've experience unwanted non sexual touching that I wouldn't make a big case out. If the person was going to run for president, maybe I would? In the type of scenario you describe it seems relatively low stakes on either side and if an "oh! sorry, not interested " puts an end to it does that make it wrong/bad or ok? Seems there would be a whole host of nonverbal that could push it into either category. thank you for the direct and respectful reply. i feel like you got my question and answered it.
let me know if there is anything i left unanswered, and i will take care of that.
Joe is the devil. ( ) yes ( ) no
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 6, 2019 12:57:44 GMT -5
thank you for the direct and respectful reply. i feel like you got my question and answered it.
let me know if there is anything i left unanswered, and i will take care of that.
Joe is the devil. ( ) yes ( ) no [img src="http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/tongue2.png" alt=" " src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png" class="smile"] i don't think he is the devil. i think that, like many men, particularly older men, he is clueless.
i don't mean that in a kind and respectful way. i mean it in the sense that he needs an education.
i suspect he is going to get one.
i wish i could say the same about the POtuS.
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Post by Value Buy on Apr 6, 2019 13:02:35 GMT -5
Joe is the devil. ( ) yes ( ) no [img src="http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/tongue2.png" alt=" " src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png" class="smile"] i don't think he is the devil. i think that, like many men, particularly older men, he is clueless.
i don't mean that in a kind and respectful way. i mean it in the sense that he needs an education.
i suspect he is going to get one.
i wish i could say the same about the POtuS.
I said basically the same thing on post number one five pages ago. except he may need an education, and your last sentence about POTUS
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 6, 2019 13:36:12 GMT -5
I work for a sexual assault prevention and education firm, VB.
if you think for a second that I think this way, you're the crazy one.
No, I did not think you were included. Until these women accusers stop using cosmetics, nail polish, hair care products, and not shave their armpits trying to beautify their features and attracting the opposite sex, they are wrong in their attempt to accuse Joe, and then say they wouild still vote for him. They have to get over their insecurities of life. I worked under women bosses and I supervised many women working for me. I knew the proper boundaries for both sexes, and especially myself. I can honestly say we had almost as many women who had to be conseled on handsy type issues, or outright sexual overtures as the men., WTF? Do you shave? Use cologne? Keep your nails neat? Dress nicely? Then I guess it's OK for a gay man to paw you. It means you're asking for it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 6, 2019 13:38:03 GMT -5
i don't think he is the devil. i think that, like many men, particularly older men, he is clueless.
i don't mean that in a kind and respectful way. i mean it in the sense that he needs an education.
i suspect he is going to get one.
i wish i could say the same about the POtuS.
I said basically the same thing on post number one five pages ago. except he may need an education, and your last sentence about POTUS you think the president should remain ignorant about the lives and perspectives of women?
why on EARTH would you want that? what purpose does his ignorance serve?
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 6, 2019 14:30:49 GMT -5
VB. I'm willing to bet that your wife shaves her armpits and uses hair care products. While you're sitting around the pool, drinking your Yuengling beer, and someone gropes her, what do you do? Confront the groper or blame your wife for shaving her armpits and using hair care products? That was a alarmingly ignorant comment to make. Really stupid, not to mention misogynistic.
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Post by happyhoix on Apr 6, 2019 17:12:57 GMT -5
VB. I'm willing to bet that your wife shaves her armpits and uses hair care products. While you're sitting around the pool, drinking your Yuengling beer, and someone gropes her, what do you do? Confront the groper or blame your wife for shaving her armpits and using hair care products? That was a alarmingly ignorant comment to make. Really stupid, not to mention misogynistic. Exactly. Dangerously close to requiring women to wear burkas so they don't inflame the weak willed men into assaulting them.
Should we be worried if our young males wear shorts and go shirtless in public, in case they inflame the desires of the middle aged women who couldn't help but put their hands all up and down their tight abs and grab their nice butts?
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 6, 2019 20:23:32 GMT -5
For everyone here that ridiculed and put down VP Pence for saying he would not get in a position of being alone with a member of the opposite sex, you might want to admit it may not be as obnoxious as you claimed at the time. He seems he was ahead of the democratic sex wave that we are now witnessing. "I worked under women bosses and I supervised many women working for me." Did you have one-on-one meetings with your female bosses in their offices? And did you have one-on-one meetings in your office with your female staff members? Do you think pence has committed adultery in his heart like Jimmy Carter once said he did back in 1976 and maybe that is now why he won't have a one-on-one meeting with a female?
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 7, 2019 11:07:59 GMT -5
I haven't been to the Twitterverse today. But I can only assume Biden is crying about how mean SNL is.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 7, 2019 12:33:38 GMT -5
I haven't been to the Twitterverse today. But I can only assume Biden is crying about how mean SNL is.
Only Trump is that thin-skinned. I'm sure Biden thought it was funny.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Apr 7, 2019 13:30:37 GMT -5
For everyone here that ridiculed and put down VP Pence for saying he would not get in a position of being alone with a member of the opposite sex, you might want to admit it may not be as obnoxious as you claimed at the time. He seems he was ahead of the democratic sex wave that we are now witnessing. "I worked under women bosses and I supervised many women working for me." Did you have one-on-one meetings with your female bosses in their offices? And did you have one-on-one meetings in your office with your female staff members? Do you think pence has committed adultery in his heart like Jimmy Carter once said he did back in 1976 and maybe that is now why he won't have a one-on-one meeting with a female? It is just smart not to have closed door meetings with the opposite sex, especially in today’s climate. There can be no misinterpretations of a one-on-one session if they don’t happen. Especially when many people have the attitude of “women don’t lie” there is no way in hell a smart man would put himself in that position. And those words have been said on here and I’ve seen them on Facebook so no, I’m not being dramatic.
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Post by NastyWoman on Apr 7, 2019 16:09:11 GMT -5
"I worked under women bosses and I supervised many women working for me." Did you have one-on-one meetings with your female bosses in their offices? And did you have one-on-one meetings in your office with your female staff members? Do you think pence has committed adultery in his heart like Jimmy Carter once said he did back in 1976 and maybe that is now why he won't have a one-on-one meeting with a female? It is just smart not to have closed door meetings with the opposite sex, especially in today’s climate. There can be no misinterpretations of a one-on-one session if they don’t happen. Especially when many people have the attitude of “women don’t lie” there is no way in hell a smart man would put himself in that position. And those words have been said on here and I’ve seen them on Facebook so no, I’m not being dramatic. Considering that not every human is heterosexual you have just said that one on one sessions have absolutely no place in our society, be it business related or other
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 7, 2019 16:10:20 GMT -5
"I worked under women bosses and I supervised many women working for me." Did you have one-on-one meetings with your female bosses in their offices? And did you have one-on-one meetings in your office with your female staff members? Do you think pence has committed adultery in his heart like Jimmy Carter once said he did back in 1976 and maybe that is now why he won't have a one-on-one meeting with a female? It is just smart not to have closed door meetings with the opposite sex, especially in today’s climate. There can be no misinterpretations of a one-on-one session if they don’t happen. Especially when many people have the attitude of “women don’t lie” there is no way in hell a smart man would put himself in that position. And those words have been said on here and I’ve seen them on Facebook so no, I’m not being dramatic. Know your employees. Know your bosses. Anything to be concerned about is often on display in the workplace.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 7, 2019 21:11:40 GMT -5
I meet with my GM behind closed doors often. We talk about a lot of sensitive stuff. I would never meet closed door with one of our sales guys - that guy is a creeper. He would be smart to not meet with anyone closed door. I think everyone would believe a woman who accused him of just about anything.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 8, 2019 0:12:50 GMT -5
It is just smart not to have closed door meetings with the opposite sex, especially in today’s climate. There can be no misinterpretations of a one-on-one session if they don’t happen. Especially when many people have the attitude of “women don’t lie” there is no way in hell a smart man would put himself in that position. And those words have been said on here and I’ve seen them on Facebook so no, I’m not being dramatic. Considering that not every human is heterosexual you have just said that one on one sessions have absolutely no place in our society, be it business related or other I was wondering who would say that first.
this is why I said that I don't want to live in a society where non consensual contact is verboten.
if this is such a place, I am truly done here.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 8:34:24 GMT -5
7/11 people that report to me are woman, I wouldn’t be able to conduct daily business if I was unable to have 1/1 meetings in my office.
I understand a completely false accusation could be made but I never touch an employee in any way and don’t come even close to what could be construed as inappropriate conversation.
At a previous company I had an incredibly lazy employee who made some accusations to HR that I was a bully because I tried to make them, you know work. HR said if my documentation of their behavior hadn’t been spot on I would of had a pretty big headache. I don’t think that would save me on a false sexual harassment claim.
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Post by Value Buy on Apr 8, 2019 9:21:00 GMT -5
VB. I'm willing to bet that your wife shaves her armpits and uses hair care products. While you're sitting around the pool, drinking your Yuengling beer, and someone gropes her, what do you do? Confront the groper or blame your wife for shaving her armpits and using hair care products? That was a alarmingly ignorant comment to make. Really stupid, not to mention misogynistic. Rather interesting comeback to post here. Sad. Really sad. I sincerely pray you wind up paying actual market rent prices when you find your next place instead of living off government controlled rental policies.
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Post by Value Buy on Apr 8, 2019 9:27:01 GMT -5
For everyone here that ridiculed and put down VP Pence for saying he would not get in a position of being alone with a member of the opposite sex, you might want to admit it may not be as obnoxious as you claimed at the time. He seems he was ahead of the democratic sex wave that we are now witnessing. "I worked under women bosses and I supervised many women working for me." Did you have one-on-one meetings with your female bosses in their offices? And did you have one-on-one meetings in your office with your female staff members? Do you think pence has committed adultery in his heart like Jimmy Carter once said he did back in 1976 and maybe that is now why he won't have a one-on-one meeting with a female? Interesting questions for me. Start a thread and I will answer them. This thread is about Joe, and not VB's life in workplace.
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Post by swamp on Apr 8, 2019 9:45:01 GMT -5
VB. I'm willing to bet that your wife shaves her armpits and uses hair care products. While you're sitting around the pool, drinking your Yuengling beer, and someone gropes her, what do you do? Confront the groper or blame your wife for shaving her armpits and using hair care products? That was a alarmingly ignorant comment to make. Really stupid, not to mention misogynistic. Rather interesting comeback to post here. Sad. Really sad. I sincerely pray you wind up paying actual market rent prices when you find your next place instead of living off government controlled rental policies. That was mean and uncalled for.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 8, 2019 9:46:51 GMT -5
"I worked under women bosses and I supervised many women working for me." Did you have one-on-one meetings with your female bosses in their offices? And did you have one-on-one meetings in your office with your female staff members? Do you think pence has committed adultery in his heart like Jimmy Carter once said he did back in 1976 and maybe that is now why he won't have a one-on-one meeting with a female? Interesting questions for me. Start a thread and I will answer them. This thread is about Joe, and not VB's life in workplace. Why? You introduced your own practices into this thread. Maybe you should have kept your self out of this thread and started your own thread and make it all about you.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 8, 2019 10:18:04 GMT -5
VB. I'm willing to bet that your wife shaves her armpits and uses hair care products. While you're sitting around the pool, drinking your Yuengling beer, and someone gropes her, what do you do? Confront the groper or blame your wife for shaving her armpits and using hair care products? That was a alarmingly ignorant comment to make. Really stupid, not to mention misogynistic. Rather interesting comeback to post here. it was actually utterly predictable.
which is why I responded to it the way I did.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 8, 2019 12:50:03 GMT -5
VB. I'm willing to bet that your wife shaves her armpits and uses hair care products. While you're sitting around the pool, drinking your Yuengling beer, and someone gropes her, what do you do? Confront the groper or blame your wife for shaving her armpits and using hair care products? That was a alarmingly ignorant comment to make. Really stupid, not to mention misogynistic. Rather interesting comeback to post here. Sad. Really sad. I sincerely pray you wind up paying actual market rent prices when you find your next place instead of living off government controlled rental policies. Wow! So you can't answer. Divert to my living arrangements. Just keep on with the misogynistic crap about women "asking for it" if they shave their armpits and use hair care products. What's really sad is that dinosaurs like you still exist.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 8, 2019 12:59:26 GMT -5
Furthermore, it was explained to you ad nauseam, with links, that government-controlled rental prices apply only to existing leases. I'm not surprised that you don't get it. Republicans just aren't that smart.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Apr 8, 2019 16:31:51 GMT -5
Considering that not every human is heterosexual you have just said that one on one sessions have absolutely no place in our society, be it business related or other I was wondering who would say that first.
this is why I said that I don't want to live in a society where non consensual contact is verboten.
if this is such a place, I am truly done here.
I don't understand what you're saying here? What does contact have to do with one-on-one meetings?
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