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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 13:12:25 GMT -5
And what border would that be ? Is your shore land property on the Rio Grande ? Great Lakes/St. Lawrence River area. Last I heard, Canadian's aren't sneaking in, because the envy our gun culture, or expensive insurance. (Humor)
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Post by swamp on Apr 5, 2019 13:22:58 GMT -5
Great Lakes/St. Lawrence River area. Last I heard, Canadian's aren't sneaking in, because the envy our gun culture, or expensive insurance. (Humor) There is, however, widespread smuggling of high quality hydroponically grown marijuana from Canada, untaxed cigarettes, and human trafficking. Don't think that's it's all sunshine and roses.
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Post by hurley1980 on Apr 5, 2019 13:23:48 GMT -5
I was saying it was poor wording to call it a wall. Honestly, I don't think that fences really do much either. I think we should have more man power and more drones at the border.
There was no outcry, because there has been fencing on the border since the early 90's. Its just a part of our security now, and is included in our security budget. The outcry is because we don't have 25 billion to build a wall that people are going to get over/under/around anyway. Congress didn't approve the spending, and Trump called a fake national emergency to get his way, like a sniffling little mean girl.
You already know all of this though, and we're all tired of repeating it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 13:30:40 GMT -5
That was why I made a long post about interdiction time, and the varying necessity of barriers, upon the start of this recent spate of wall discussions. okay I've already forgot what thread it was on, but when the wall subject returned to the forefront not that long ago, I posted what I thought was a good answer. My summary as remembered; 1) I'm not sold on an actual wall from coast to coast of the southern border. 2) Barriers should be placed, or other methods used, according to the necessary interdiction times required. 3) Enough money should be applied in the most financially frugal way possible to put an end to most illegal immigration. 4) Due to social media, the word will get out that easy illegal crossings are now over. 5) Reducing the effort needed to stop illegal crossings, and the subsequent costs of prevention. The rest of what you see me posting about to others, are funny answers to the usual stereo typing being applied, since my original stance is long forgotten.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 13:33:11 GMT -5
Last I heard, Canadian's aren't sneaking in, because the envy our gun culture, or expensive insurance. (Humor) There is, however, widespread smuggling of high quality hydroponically grown marijuana from Canada, untaxed cigarettes, and human trafficking. Don't think that's it's all sunshine and roses. I don't give much thought to MJ and Cigarettes, it's an adults choice to partake. Human trafficking is another story.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 13:42:16 GMT -5
I was saying it was poor wording to call it a wall. Honestly, I don't think that fences really do much either. I think we should have more man power and more drones at the border.
There was no outcry, because there has been fencing on the border since the early 90's. Its just a part of our security now, and is included in our security budget. The outcry is because we don't have 25 billion to build a wall that people are going to get over/under/around anyway. Congress didn't approve the spending, and Trump called a fake national emergency to get his way, like a sniffling little mean girl.
You already know all of this though, and we're all tired of repeating it. Then take note of who created the thread on this subject, and maybe the first ten posters following the OP. Then tell me who's doing the repeating. Especially take note of #1 and 4 and tell me who's repeating. I would think most know that those two don't like Trump by now.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 5, 2019 14:43:03 GMT -5
Last I heard, Canadian's aren't sneaking in, because the envy our gun culture, or expensive insurance. (Humor) There is, however, widespread smuggling of high quality hydroponically grown marijuana from Canada, untaxed cigarettes, and human trafficking. Don't think that's it's all sunshine and roses. Meanwhile, human beings, fentanyl, cocaine and guns are being smuggled into Canada from the US. A wall won't stop any of that. Oh, and shoes! Trump was fixated on shoes for a while.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 5, 2019 14:46:24 GMT -5
“They buy shoes and then they wear them. They scuff them up. They make them sound old or look old,” the president said.
Never mind the drugs, guns and human trafficking. He was worried about shoes.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 5, 2019 14:48:05 GMT -5
... Then take note of who created the thread on this subject, and maybe the first ten posters following the OP. Then tell me who's doing the repeating. Especially take note of #1 and 4 and tell me who's repeating. I would think most know that those two don't like Trump by now. I am continually repeating my disagree with President Trump's use of tweets and other half baked presentations that I think are detrimental to good governance. Withdraw of all troops from Syria, North Korea no longer being a threat, and now the border closure are all excellent situations which, IM(not so)HO, President Trump needed to withhold comment until there was a firm plan in place. Going from (paraphrasing) "I will be CLOSING next week if Mexico doesn't ..." to "if Congress doesn't" to "give it a year if Mexico doesn't" is not something that the President should be tossing out to the world. Sure, "don't like Trump" is an easy way to dismiss my concern. Enjoy.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 5, 2019 15:25:14 GMT -5
Well you know trump does everything opposite of what Obama did and overturns Obama's work with Executive Orders. I expect trump realizes there will be no national monument to him in Washington like the Lincoln Memorial and Washington Monument. So trump will build a wall from sea to sea. And I expect whatever trump actually gets built will be torn down once he is out of office. Well, I know a lot of things. One of them seems to be noticing your continual deflection from the question. Why was there no outrage about the Obama wall. You know, those non functioning, easy to bypass, total wastes of money ? You must have missed my outrage on other message boards.
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Post by swamp on Apr 5, 2019 16:20:15 GMT -5
There is, however, widespread smuggling of high quality hydroponically grown marijuana from Canada, untaxed cigarettes, and human trafficking. Don't think that's it's all sunshine and roses. Meanwhile, human beings, fentanyl, cocaine and guns are being smuggled into Canada from the US. A wall won't stop any of that. Oh, and shoes! Trump was fixated on shoes for a while. You are correct. Maybe Canada should build a wall.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 5, 2019 16:53:17 GMT -5
Meanwhile, human beings, fentanyl, cocaine and guns are being smuggled into Canada from the US. A wall won't stop any of that. Oh, and shoes! Trump was fixated on shoes for a while. You are correct. Maybe Canada should build a wall. Maybe we should! And the USA is going to pay for it!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 7:57:42 GMT -5
... Then take note of who created the thread on this subject, and maybe the first ten posters following the OP. Then tell me who's doing the repeating. Especially take note of #1 and 4 and tell me who's repeating. I would think most know that those two don't like Trump by now. I am continually repeating my disagree with President Trump's use of tweets and other half baked presentations that I think are detrimental to good governance. Withdraw of all troops from Syria, North Korea no longer being a threat, and now the border closure are all excellent situations which, IM(not so)HO, President Trump needed to withhold comment until there was a firm plan in place. Going from (paraphrasing) "I will be CLOSING next week if Mexico doesn't ..." to "if Congress doesn't" to "give it a year if Mexico doesn't" is not something that the President should be tossing out to the world. Sure, "don't like Trump" is an easy way to dismiss my concern. Enjoy. I referenced #1 and 4, the deep informative repeaters, not yours. I view his tweeting as intentional distraction. Note how no one is even posting/noticing about his continued deregulation/gutting of the EPA. Remember the horror of business friendly tax cuts, to the detriment of poor people everywhere ? Your concerns aren't dismissed. They are the few present, showing a modicum of thought out intelligence, a little one sided, but well thought out. Once you stop fighting the uphill battle against Trumps brilliance, and accept that you don't have a chance against his suave political ability, you'll be a happier citizen. (humor)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 8:12:11 GMT -5
Well, I know a lot of things. One of them seems to be noticing your continual deflection from the question. Why was there no outrage about the Obama wall. You know, those non functioning, easy to bypass, total wastes of money ? You must have missed my outrage on other message boards. It wasn't you. It was everyone in general. Obama's wall, fence, barrier, whatever you want to call it, was a total non issue. Media didn't cover it. I didn't even know about it till recently, with Trumps wall at the forefront. With that in mind, I consider the whole outrage at Trumps wall, politically manufactured nonsense. And will continue to treat it as the double standard that it is.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 6, 2019 8:47:59 GMT -5
... Then take note of who created the thread on this subject, ... Then tell me who's doing the repeating. ... ... I referenced #1 and 4, the deep informative repeaters, not yours. ... I read with more than a modicum of attention to detail.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 6, 2019 8:56:47 GMT -5
As always, it is a little more complicated then "Obama built a wall". www.pbs.org/video/now-on-pbs-obamas-border-fence/It was legislation that was enacted before Obama was in office by a Republican Congress and signed by Bush. Yes, a number of Democrats did vote for it. When Obama came into office, it was the law of the land. He could have worked to stop it, but did not. He supported it, although somewhat apologetically. He did not go around the country leading chants and aggressively riling up anti-immigration sentiments. He would have had to use a significant amount of political capital to get the law repealed, but instead spent his energy working on healthcare and letting what the previous Congress had already passed to go forward. It wasn't really "Obama's wall". It isn't even really Bush's wall. It is Congress's wall. As it should be. They make the laws. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006The difference now is Trump is trying to pass NEW legislation and get NEW funding, and he is leading the charge.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 6, 2019 9:48:20 GMT -5
As always, it is a little more complicated then "Obama built a wall". www.pbs.org/video/now-on-pbs-obamas-border-fence/It was legislation that was enacted before Obama was in office by a Republican Congress and signed by Bush. Yes, a number of Democrats did vote for it. When Obama came into office, it was the law of the land. He could have worked to stop it, but did not. He supported it, although somewhat apologetically. He did not go around the country leading chants and aggressively riling up anti-immigration sentiments. He would have had to use a significant amount of political capital to get the law repealed, but instead spent his energy working on healthcare and letting what the previous Congress had already passed to go forward. It wasn't really "Obama's wall". It isn't even really Bush's wall. It is Congress's wall. As it should be. They make the laws. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006The difference now is Trump is trying to pass NEW legislation and get NEW funding, and he is leading the charge. And.....Congress already told him no.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 11:25:36 GMT -5
As always, it is a little more complicated then "Obama built a wall". www.pbs.org/video/now-on-pbs-obamas-border-fence/It was legislation that was enacted before Obama was in office by a Republican Congress and signed by Bush. Yes, a number of Democrats did vote for it. When Obama came into office, it was the law of the land. He could have worked to stop it, but did not. He supported it, although somewhat apologetically. He did not go around the country leading chants and aggressively riling up anti-immigration sentiments. He would have had to use a significant amount of political capital to get the law repealed, but instead spent his energy working on healthcare and letting what the previous Congress had already passed to go forward. It wasn't really "Obama's wall". It isn't even really Bush's wall. It is Congress's wall. As it should be. They make the laws. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006The difference now is Trump is trying to pass NEW legislation and get NEW funding, and he is leading the charge.That's what the executive branch does. Up to judicial to decide the right from wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 11:30:46 GMT -5
As always, it is a little more complicated then "Obama built a wall". www.pbs.org/video/now-on-pbs-obamas-border-fence/It was legislation that was enacted before Obama was in office by a Republican Congress and signed by Bush. Yes, a number of Democrats did vote for it. When Obama came into office, it was the law of the land. He could have worked to stop it, but did not. He supported it, although somewhat apologetically. He did not go around the country leading chants and aggressively riling up anti-immigration sentiments. He would have had to use a significant amount of political capital to get the law repealed, but instead spent his energy working on healthcare and letting what the previous Congress had already passed to go forward. It wasn't really "Obama's wall". It isn't even really Bush's wall. It is Congress's wall. As it should be. They make the laws. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006The difference now is Trump is trying to pass NEW legislation and get NEW funding, and he is leading the charge. And.....Congress already told him no. Like DACA, also the big tax penalty for no insurance coverage in Obamacare, originating in the Senate. End runs around Congress happen. Once again, Judicial decides in the end. And I can't help but say again... "So many people have asked me, how can you vote for Trump because of Supreme Court picks."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 11:53:43 GMT -5
... Then take note of who created the thread on this subject, ... Then tell me who's doing the repeating. ... ... I referenced #1 and 4, the deep informative repeaters, not yours. ... I read with more than a modicum of attention to detail. Didn't you say that you will be starting these threads, pointing out Trumps mistakes ?
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 6, 2019 11:58:52 GMT -5
I read with more than a modicum of attention to detail. Didn't you say that you will be starting these threads, pointing out Trumps mistakes ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 12:07:43 GMT -5
... Then take note of who created the thread on this subject, ... Then tell me who's doing the repeating. ... ... I referenced #1 and 4, the deep informative repeaters, not yours. ... I read with more than a modicum of attention to detail. This detail ? Quote; "I am continually repeating my disagree with President Trump's use of tweets and other half baked presentations" ymam.proboards.com/post/2988224/thread
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 6, 2019 12:10:50 GMT -5
I read with more than a modicum of attention to detail. This detail ? Quote; "I am continually repeating my disagree with President Trump's use of tweets and other half baked presentations" ymam.proboards.com/post/2988224/threadNo.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 12:16:03 GMT -5
Looks like we're back to my quoting Hurley in post #157 The going 'round in circles song applied quite well.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 6, 2019 13:18:13 GMT -5
I am continually repeating my disagree with President Trump's use of tweets and other half baked presentations that I think are detrimental to good governance. Withdraw of all troops from Syria, North Korea no longer being a threat, and now the border closure are all excellent situations which, IM(not so)HO, President Trump needed to withhold comment until there was a firm plan in place. Going from (paraphrasing) "I will be CLOSING next week if Mexico doesn't ..." to "if Congress doesn't" to "give it a year if Mexico doesn't" is not something that the President should be tossing out to the world. Sure, "don't like Trump" is an easy way to dismiss my concern. Enjoy. I referenced #1 and 4, the deep informative repeaters, not yours. I view his tweeting as intentional distraction. Note how no one is even posting/noticing about his continued deregulation/gutting of the EPA.Remember the horror of business friendly tax cuts, to the detriment of poor people everywhere ? Your concerns aren't dismissed. They are the few present, showing a modicum of thought out intelligence, a little one sided, but well thought out. Once you stop fighting the uphill battle against Trumps brilliance, and accept that you don't have a chance against his suave political ability, you'll be a happier citizen. (humor) Oh, but I have. Try to keep up.
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Post by Tiny on Apr 6, 2019 16:52:18 GMT -5
::scratching my head:: Mexico use to do a better job of keeping immigrants from other countries from crossing Mexico to get to the American border. I'm pretty sure this came up when Trump first started bellyacheing about NAFTA and trade sanctions against Mexico.
It was a card that Mexico could play (stop enforcing their own borders) and it would appear that they have played it.
I would have thought that a great negotiator like Trump would have figured it out by now. (as in it doesn't cost Mexico much to not enforce their borders and it costs America a shit ton to enforce it's border.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 17:46:59 GMT -5
::scratching my head:: Mexico use to do a better job of keeping immigrants from other countries from crossing Mexico to get to the American border. I'm pretty sure this came up when Trump first started bellyacheing about NAFTA and trade sanctions against Mexico. It was a card that Mexico could play (stop enforcing their own borders) and it would appear that they have played it. I would have thought that a great negotiator like Trump would have figured it out by now. (as in it doesn't cost Mexico much to not enforce their borders and it costs America a shit ton to enforce it's border.) If you ever looked up their laws on immigration, they are quite a bit stricter than ours.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 8, 2019 23:42:43 GMT -5
Interesting read. An April 05, 2019 article. Yes, There’s a Crisis on the Border. And It’s Trump’s Fault.Instead of wasting his time on a wall, the president should fix the asylum system. Donald Trump has made border security and immigration enforcement a rallying cry of his campaign and the centerpiece of his presidency. But now, as the effects of his immigration policies have become measurable, it is clear to us—three people who have worked on the issue in previous administrations—that Trump is the worst president for border security in the last 30 years. The border is currently overwhelmed with increasing numbers of migrants, in particular Central American asylum seekers. U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) has reported that 66,450 persons were apprehended between the ports of entry in February, the highest monthly total in a decade. Projections for March are even worse—exceeding 100,000—with experts concerned that monthly totals could exceed 150,000 in the coming months. CBP is reassigning officers from the ports of entry, which are critically understaffed, to help Border Patrol with the crush. CBP Commissioner Kevin McAleenan has said the immigration system on the border is at “the breaking point.” In response, the president threatened to close the border altogether to legal crossings, a threat he walked back on Thursday and replaced with a “one-year warning” to Mexico. Despite the administration’s attempts to shift blame for the chaos, make no mistake: It is Donald Trump himself who is responsible. Through misguided policies, political stunts and a failure of leadership, the president has created the conditions that allowed the asylum problem at the border to explode into a crisis. The solution to our current border troubles lies in reforming the U.S. asylum system and immigration courts and helping Central America address its challenges—not in a “big beautiful” wall or shutting down the border. Yet effective action on these issues has been missing. And the president has now so poisoned the political well with his approach that there is little hope of meaningful congressional action until after the next election. Unless the administration changes course, the immigration crisis will only continue to worsen. Complete article here: Yes, There’s a Crisis on the Border. And It’s Trump’s Fault.
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