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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 24, 2019 0:14:27 GMT -5
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Post by justme on Mar 24, 2019 0:46:15 GMT -5
Dental care is not covered in Canada under healthcare, so it operates much like ours. Some employers offer coverage, some buy their own, some pay out of pocket.
So you can't argue your point on dental care.
And I don't think they're ignoring the medigap stuff - I think most think the US would do a combo public and private, afterall that's what Medicare is.
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Post by mroped on Mar 24, 2019 7:30:04 GMT -5
From what I remember in Canada only the dental cleanings were covered under the public plan. I don’t know about the rest of the dental work. And I’m assuming that for other procedures there are standards that are covered by the single payer. All other could be obtained in private, out of pocket expense. If it is not a life threatening condition then some might take the time to shop arround for an upgrade.
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Post by oped on Mar 24, 2019 9:51:10 GMT -5
Most people who want universal care favor a tiered plan which includes supplemental. Maybe you should read more and be humored by supposition less...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 16:51:10 GMT -5
From what I remember in Canada only the dental cleanings were covered under the public plan. I don’t know about the rest of the dental work. I'd be interested in the details- I can't imagine they cover implants. Many citizens covered by the UK's National Health Service get their dental work done in Eastern Europe so I'm guessing the NHS doesn't cover all dental work.
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 24, 2019 17:44:01 GMT -5
All resources are rationed, right? We just use supply and demand to raise the price to where demand and supply have equilibrium. Our healthcare is rationed that way, which is delightful for the rich and deadly for the poor.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 24, 2019 18:57:23 GMT -5
From what I remember in Canada only the dental cleanings were covered under the public plan. I don’t know about the rest of the dental work. I'd be interested in the details- I can't imagine they cover implants. Many citizens covered by the UK's National Health Service get their dental work done in Eastern Europe so I'm guessing the NHS doesn't cover all dental work. My MIL paid more for her implants in Vancouver than we would pay for them in the US. From what she says, she pays comparable to us for other treatments too. My last eye exam, I seriously thought about taking my prescription across the border for glasses, but I would be looking at about $1200 for those.
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Post by tskeeter on Mar 25, 2019 1:42:58 GMT -5
No doubt there is rationing. If government officials claims there is, or will be, no rationing, they are doing what all politicians seem to do. They lie, and wait to see how many of us are dumb enough to buy their lies.
For example, the British national health system rations care by using wait lists to delay or deny care. Based on what I’ve been told, the British system does a great job with cases where life saving care is needed. For quality of life type care, maybe not so good.
MIL’s cousin in Ireland was over 80 when she needed cataract surgery on one eye. She went on the list. Three years later, she received the surgery. By the time the cousin got the first eye taken care of, the cataracts in her other eye had advanced to the point that she needed surgery. She went on the list again. This time she waited more than two years, but she died before she got to the top of the list.
It was sad to the cousin’s coat mended with two inch long stitches simply because she couldn’t see well enough to make a smaller stitch.
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Post by oped on Mar 25, 2019 6:15:50 GMT -5
Yes, there is absolutely no deny or delay when dealing with insurance companies...
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 25, 2019 7:44:56 GMT -5
You hear a lot about Canadians having to wait for months to get treatment, but I had to wait a couple months to get in to see a dermatologist because we only have about 4 in our small city, so wait times are always long. I also had to wait about 6 weeks for an appointment to get an MRI on my shoulder - but that was because my Dr referred me to the MRI clinic in the medical building where he worked (and I found out later, the MRI that he partly owned) - I probably could have gone someplace else faster.
I actually didn't need the MRI at all. A regular X ray showed nothing was broken, and I had all the symptoms of frozen shoulder - six weeks of physical therapy fixed it. But before the Dr would send me to physical therapy, I had to wait six weeks for an extremely painful MRI of my shoulder that cost me $500 bucks and that my Dr said 'didn't tell him anything.' If he didn't own a share of the MRI in the building he probably wouldn't have sent me for one. That's how American medicine works.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 7:54:02 GMT -5
<snip> I also had to wait about 6 weeks for an appointment to get an MRI on my shoulder - but that was because my Dr referred me to the MRI clinic in the medical building where he worked (and I found out later, the MRI that he partly owned) - I probably could have gone someplace else faster.
I actually didn't need the MRI at all. A regular X ray showed nothing was broken, and I had all the symptoms of frozen shoulder - six weeks of physical therapy fixed it. But before the Dr would send me to physical therapy, I had to wait six weeks for an extremely painful MRI of my shoulder that cost me $500 bucks and that my Dr said 'didn't tell him anything.' If he didn't own a share of the MRI in the building he probably wouldn't have sent me for one. That's how American medicine works.
I diagnosed my own frozen shoulder by consulting Dr. Google and then found exercises on YouTube. Once I understood the principle of stretching just beyond the pain point to break up scar tissue but not enough to create more damage, I was off to a good start. I'm pretty sure the symptoms were GONE in 6 months! I'm 66 so I have to make sure I get the usual preventative testing done but I have two basic principles that work 99% of the time. 1. Ignore it and it will go away. 2. Exercise cures everything.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 25, 2019 12:24:33 GMT -5
I did not start this thread. Why does it look like I started the thread? I don't like this, especially since "healthcare" is spelled wrong in the header.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Mar 25, 2019 13:04:37 GMT -5
I think the user who started the thread deleted their account. You'd have to ask the mods to be sure.
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Post by NastyWoman on Mar 25, 2019 18:17:17 GMT -5
Years ago when I had my gall bladder removed I had some liver problems due to a pre-surgery blockage. For a few months after I had to go in weekly for blood testing and an appointment with my gastroenterologist. Before my first appointment there was a woman who needed a follow up appointment in ~2 months. Her appointment was 3.5 months later because there were no earlier openings. After my appointment I was told to come back the next week → I was kind of embarrassed when I told the doctor's assistant but guess what, there was no problem to schedule me .
What is this called other than rationing healthcare (right here in the USA I might add)? They judged that my visits were urgent and hers wasn't. This is how "rationing" works as well in the Netherlands/Europe and presumably in Canada. There are limited resources which are used based on need, and why not?
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Post by TheOtherMe on Mar 25, 2019 19:24:16 GMT -5
My therapist told me that to get a full scale dementia evaluation with a psychiatrist has an 8 to 9 month waiting period and the patient has to be referred by a primary care physician.
She also told me she had patients with appointments who did not live long enough to have the appointment.
There is a severe shortage of psychiatric providers where I live. Depending on the severity that you present when making the appointment, the wait for the first appointment can be very long.
The situation is worse if a patient needs to be hospitalized. There is a severe shortage of beds in the entire state. There are times when a suicidal patient is transported 6 - 7 hours to get an open bed.
The clinic where I go had two gastroenterologists when I moved here. My doctor was from Florida and did not like the cold winters so he took a job in Florida. That was 4 or 5 years ago and they have not found a replacement.
At my last colonoscopy, the doctor said I needed another one in 3 years and he would be retired by then and he gave them 5 years notice. They have not found a replacement for him either.
There is a clinic affiliated with the other hospital in town but I'm sure there is a waiting list unless it's an emergency.
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Post by mollyc on Mar 25, 2019 22:57:40 GMT -5
Since marinauser bailed and took his/her starting comment with him/her is there even any point in keeping any of the responses? Shouldn't the whole thread just be turfed?
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