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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 8:53:28 GMT -5
indeed it is. I think everyone agrees about that.
the only thing that there is a minor dispute about is WHY and what can be done, if anything, about it.
Does everyone agree? Nothing to disagree with as far as temperature climb is concerned. We have a short term climb in progress. We have to be careful as to the why's. To many will use it to achieve an agenda. Anytime I see a logical fallacy being used in the argument of why, I tend to question the reasoning behind it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 9:00:48 GMT -5
Yes, I think we can agree the temp is going up,, The real question is why. When they keep pointing to carbon,, that part, I have big question about. Is it getting warmer because of natural reasons, that more that I think! Then of course when they decide to try carbon tax,,
Why do you think it is a natural occurrence? Is there a source you use to back you up? I would like to read some good dissenting opinions. All the ones I have seen do not have science based writing. I have posted many other possibilities. They do not however, attempt to defend the fallacy of it can 'only' be atmospheric carbon.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 29, 2019 9:17:21 GMT -5
In my little demonstration I made, using 10,00000000 Airsoft BB's, look on this post for the periods that represent carbon, .
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 29, 2019 9:19:37 GMT -5
There you have it using, 10,000 bb's only 4 would be carbon, Find all the periods yet?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 14:13:15 GMT -5
There you have it using, 10,000 bb's only 4 would be carbon, Find all the periods yet?
And if we doubled our output of carbon, which would be hard to do. Then there would be 8
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 29, 2019 20:43:07 GMT -5
Here is a book that explains it all!
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 29, 2019 20:48:51 GMT -5
Because of Global Warming, Phoenix is experiencing one of the coolest Summer ever! Only six day this year over 110 degrees.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 29, 2019 21:48:18 GMT -5
Because of Global Warming, Phoenix is experiencing one of the coolest Summer ever! Only six day this year over 110 degrees. I hate to break it to you, but Phoenix is not the "globe".
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 29, 2019 21:57:11 GMT -5
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 29, 2019 23:03:41 GMT -5
Really?? someone somewhere said it is hotter,,
Did you find that mark that was put there 100 years ago showing where sea level at that time?
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 30, 2019 0:05:31 GMT -5
Really?? someone somewhere said it is hotter,,
Did you find that mark that was put there 100 years ago showing where sea level at that time? Why on earth would they put a fucking mark on some stupid wall 100 years ago? Why? Were they prescient? (Yes it's a word. Look it up.) You have zero critical thinking skills. None whatsoever.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 30, 2019 7:50:18 GMT -5
Did you buy the book, Learn something?
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 30, 2019 13:57:59 GMT -5
OC, you should run around Arizona with a giant Sharpie,putting marks on anything and everything. Why? Who knows? No particular reason, except that some moron 100 years from now may be demanding to see some marks.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 30, 2019 17:52:38 GMT -5
Yep, even AZ was under sea level at one time, at another time it was tropical,, we have native palm trees here.
and now it is desert, Due to NATURAL CLIMATE CHANGE,, have nothing to do with humans. Wow. who would have were thought??
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 30, 2019 18:09:54 GMT -5
Yep, even AZ was under sea level at one time, at another time it was tropical,, we have native palm trees here.
and now it is desert, Due to NATURAL CLIMATE CHANGE,, have nothing to do with humans. Wow. who would have were thought??
The palm trees you see in metro Phoenix and the rest of the state are not native to Arizona. All the palm tres you see were transplanted from nurseries outside your area. There is though one palm tree native to Arizona,the Californian fan palm, located in the Kofa National Wildlife Refuge. And even the Californian fan palm is thought not native to the state and simply the by product of a bird taking a with a Californian fan palm seed in the mix.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 30, 2019 18:21:14 GMT -5
See, AZ has native palms. Maybe California stole them from AZ.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 30, 2019 18:27:25 GMT -5
See, AZ has native palms. Maybe California stole them from AZ.
No. None are native. Not even the the bird shit palm. You really are uninformed about most things, aren't you.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 30, 2019 22:21:19 GMT -5
Like maybe you have "Real" proof that a bird shit the seed,, Did you happen to catch the birds name,
Wait a minute what was Wiley Coyote' favorite Road runners name,, BEEP BEEP BEEP!!! Is that the bird that shit the seed??
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Post by tallguy on Jul 30, 2019 23:37:00 GMT -5
I had asked the question before, but apparently missed the answer. So again:
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 31, 2019 7:08:10 GMT -5
Like maybe you have "Real" proof that a bird shit the seed,, Did you happen to catch the birds name,
Wait a minute what was Wiley Coyote' favorite Road runners name,, BEEP BEEP BEEP!!! Is that the bird that shit the seed??
This board is not teaching me the art of intelligent discussion.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 31, 2019 8:13:16 GMT -5
How many hundred miles is the Kofa National Wildlife Refuge in which Palm Canyon is located,, From California??
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 31, 2019 8:16:25 GMT -5
Oh my God Look at the new Sea Level is in Central Java!!!!! second picture.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 31, 2019 8:33:14 GMT -5
Oldcoyote, The Science Guy. science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2014/19may_elnino/NASA picture shows the ocean off the coast of Alaska is as warn as the ocean at the equator, No wonder the ice is melting in the Arctic. Wait a minute, The ocean around Tahiti is colder than that around Alaska. I'm waiting for the report that Tahiti cruise ship are running into icebergs. Climate Change, It's such a terrible thing!! The colours in that diagram reflect relative differences in sea level. Apparently "sea level" is only "sea level" within +/- 45 cm. The white in the image represents a deviation of 10 cm in the sea level. Climate Change Explained by looking at NASA Picture.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 31, 2019 8:48:52 GMT -5
Geeeees, Tennn I am pointing out the Sea Level in Central Java is now three foot higher than that of last week cause of,,,, if you look at the first picture , all the ice melting in Greenland.. Global Warming is coming to get you!!!, Just remember O.C. has all that High Desert land for sale that will protect you from the DREADED Rising Sea Levels,,,
Better hurry, they are going fast!!
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 31, 2019 9:09:36 GMT -5
You do realize if a bird did drop the seeds there , that would have been a natural occurring event!
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 31, 2019 9:15:28 GMT -5
Let's see , I have the choice of going to work or playing here,, decisions, decisions. In July alone, Greenland's ice sheet lost 160 billion tons of ice, according to Clare Nullis, spokeswoman for the UN World Meteorological Organization. That's roughly the equivalent of 64 million Olympic-sized swimming pools, she told reporters on Friday.
Clare Nullis measured every single gallon to come up with this conclusion!
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Post by kadee79 on Jul 31, 2019 10:21:53 GMT -5
You do realize if a bird did drop the seeds there , that would have been a natural occurring event! That doesn't make any plant a native to it's new environment...just a transplant is all! But of course, you don't want any facts...you just want to sound stupid and see how many folks you can rile...isn't that troll behavior?
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 31, 2019 15:58:23 GMT -5
You do realize if a bird did drop the seeds there , that would have been a natural occurring event! Yes, it is. However, that still doesn't mean the tree in question is not now growing in a non-native environment. If it thrives, the environment is compatible with its needs even though not native. I find myself wondering how much more interesting these threads might be if you stopped concentrating on being "edgy" and sarcastic and started offering well-researched, serious content. Pondering ...
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Post by tallguy on Jul 31, 2019 16:40:19 GMT -5
You do realize if a bird did drop the seeds there , that would have been a natural occurring event! Yes, it is. However, that still doesn't mean the tree in question is not now growing in a non-native environment. If it thrives, the environment is compatible with its needs even though not native. I find myself wondering how much more interesting these threads might be if you stopped concentrating on being "edgy" and sarcastic and started offering well-researched, serious content. Pondering ... That's a euphemism, isn't it?
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 31, 2019 23:13:14 GMT -5
You do realize if a bird did drop the seeds there , that would have been a natural occurring event! That doesn't make any plant a native to it's new environment...just a transplant is all! But of course, you don't want any facts...you just want to sound stupid and see how many folks you can rile...isn't that troll behavior? Palm Canyon Palm Canyon is a unique natural feature predominantly known for the native palm trees that grow in the canyon. These are rare in Arizona and are likely relicts of a geological period when the area was wetter and cooler.
Visiting The turnoff for Palm Canyon is located at Milepost 85 on US Highway 95. A parking area is about eight miles east down a gravel road. Half a mile down the trail is a sign indicating the California fan palms. The hike to the canyon is short but strenuous.
The refuge provides opportunities for viewing desert plants and wildlife, rock climbing, exploring old mines, and remote wilderness camping. Temperatures often exceed 120 °F (49 °C) in the summer, and rain falls only a few times per year.
Regulated hunting on the refuge is permitted for quail, bighorn sheep, deer, cottontail rabbit, coyote, and fox.
Kofa was included in the desert military training exercises conducted by General George S. Patton during World War II. Unexploded ordnance may be encountered during cross-country hiking.
Well here is the section from Wikipedia, maybe you can find where the bird shit the seed. I can't!
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