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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 17, 2019 13:26:26 GMT -5
Yea, Yea I know it is a confirmed Sience!! But I still have a couple of Questions, Since it is solid science, why didn't We lose all the Arctic Ice in 2007 and again in 2012,,
I mean according to the Solid Scientist,, it should have been gone, what happened?? Also all those poor polar bears that were all dying cause of Climate Change , seem well to be doing really well!! What happened?? The Huge concern about rising sea levels,, yet no one can show where the levels were a hundred years ago and where they are today. As far as how accurate Climate Change is,, I need to ask this. I know,,, I have been told many times, how it is impossible to not believe the scientists, cause for one thing ,, their are so many saying it!! Which caused me to ponder this,, What if I compare the Climate Change Scientist, to,,,
The Highly Educated People that make estimates on all those Government projects costs!!! Supposedly these are all experts in their chosen fields,, would you agree to that? So Since We all know the accuracy of those Government cost estimates,, Which ironically are based on tangible materials,,, Which now causes Me to ask,, Why am I to believe A large group of people, educated out of most of the same schools, and universities,,, That want Me to believe something that is going to happen 10,, 20,,, 50,, 100, years in the future,, on an intangible product, When we can't get an accurate estimate on a tangible product,, 1,, 2,,, 3,, 4,,or 5 years out!! Yes, I misspelled Science in the first line to see if anyone reads this far.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 17, 2019 13:30:23 GMT -5
You admitted that you come here to play games, so why should anyone bother responding to your foolish questions?
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 17, 2019 16:19:41 GMT -5
Welts, I never expect a reasonable reply from you! You continue to prove it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 9:21:42 GMT -5
There are several studies on the planet's axial tilt in regards to climate.
It varies between 22° and 24° from gravitational pull from other planets in our solar system.
The steeper the angle, the more direct the sun on the poles.
Also accounts for more atmospheric movement, ie rough weather, cold/hot displacements etc.
Current angle of 23.5° courtesy of NASA.
I'm mobile and can't supply links.
I can later when I'm on the regular pc if requested.
Their is no money/economic control in axial tilt.
Don't expect much in media/government interest.
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Post by busymom on Mar 18, 2019 9:32:41 GMT -5
What planet are you planning to live on, once this one becomes too hot & polluted to exist? Just asking...
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 18, 2019 10:02:56 GMT -5
Hmmmmm, No comments on the accuracy of Government contract estimates working with a tangible product, over a short time scale,
Annnd,,, The accuracy of Climate Change based on an intangible non product over a greater time scale. One should be fairly accurate,,, the other quite frankly is an educated guess at best! Which is which??
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 11:29:52 GMT -5
What planet are you planning to live on, once this one becomes too hot & polluted to exist? Just asking... Population growth is one of the main drivers of carcinogenic contamination of our environment. Why do you call yourself busymom ? Just asking
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Post by busymom on Mar 18, 2019 11:34:43 GMT -5
What planet are you planning to live on, once this one becomes too hot & polluted to exist? Just asking... Population growth is one of the main drivers of carcinogenic contamination of our environment. Why do you call yourself busymom ? Just asking DH & I only "procreated" enough to replace ourselves. One of our children has a disability that will never allow them to live independently, so I am the caretaker of an adult child.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 11:37:29 GMT -5
Quote; The standard assumptions about how the variations in the Earth's orbit influences changes in climate are called Milankovitch cycles. According to these principles, the Earth's tilt influenced ice sheet formation during the Ice Ages, the slow wobble that occurs on a 23,000-year cycle as the Earth rotates around the sun called precession affects the Tropics and the shape of the Earth's orbit that occurs on a 100,000-year cycle controls how much energy the Earth receives.
"This study was interesting in that when we started doing the spectral analysis, the 41,000-year tilt cycle started showing up in the Tropics. That's not supposed to be there. That's not what the textbooks tell us," DeLong said.
This finding shows that the tilt of the Earth plays a much larger part in ITCZ (intertropical convergance zone) migration than previously thought, which will enable climate scientists to better predict extreme weather events. Historically, the collapse of the Mayan civilization and several Chinese dynasties have been linked to persistent droughts associated with the ITCZ. This new information is critical to understanding global climate and sustainable human socioeconomic development, the researchers said.
Additionally, climate scientists have begun to recognize that rather than shifting north and south, the ITCZ expands and contracts, based on this information.
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/12/151214142053.htm
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 11:38:50 GMT -5
Population growth is one of the main drivers of carcinogenic contamination of our environment. Why do you call yourself busymom ? Just asking DH & I only "procreated" enough to replace ourselves. One of our children has a disability that will never allow them to live independently, so I am the caretaker of an adult child. With the last 1 billion population increase happening in only 18 years. Why would you be replacing ?
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Post by busymom on Mar 18, 2019 11:40:22 GMT -5
Are you a parent, @x? Or, have you ever wanted a child?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 11:44:06 GMT -5
Are you a parent, @x ? Or, have you ever wanted a child? Those questions only seek to justify the lack of population control. A main driver in regards to carcinogenic contamination, is the number of people existing on the planet. The question was only "Why are you replacing" ? In regards to your making same statement about replacing
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 12:13:34 GMT -5
Peoples "wants", often take precedence over what needs to be done.
It does help with understanding the difficulty of the problem.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 18, 2019 12:30:38 GMT -5
Peoples "wants", often take precedence over what needs to be done. It does help with understanding the difficulty of the problem. Not to worry, x= - one of Busymom's children won't be replacing him/herself.
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Post by busymom on Mar 18, 2019 12:37:50 GMT -5
Are you a parent, @x ? Or, have you ever wanted a child? Those questions only seek to justify the lack of population control. A main driver in regards to carcinogenic contamination, is the number of people existing on the planet. The question was only "Why are you replacing" ? In regards to your making same statement about replacing I answered your question honestly. Are you going to answer mine? So, are you a parent, or are you planning to start a family some day?
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 18, 2019 12:47:34 GMT -5
Those questions only seek to justify the lack of population control. A main driver in regards to carcinogenic contamination, is the number of people existing on the planet. The question was only "Why are you replacing" ? In regards to your making same statement about replacing I answered your question honestly. Are you going to answer mine? So, are you a parent, or are you planning to start a family some day? I don't believe x (Diogenes) is a parent.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 18, 2019 12:50:29 GMT -5
What planet are you planning to live on, once this one becomes too hot & polluted to exist? Just asking... Population growth is one of the main drivers of carcinogenic contamination of our environment. Why do you call yourself busymom ? Just asking You're the one who said climate change is "just a theory". Do you believe in Germ Theory? It's just a theory. I guess you're OK with your doctors not washing their hands or sterilizing their instruments. Do you believe in the Theory of Evolution? It's just a theory.
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 18, 2019 22:48:28 GMT -5
Those terrible flood that hit Nebraska, breaking records,,caused by Climate Change,, A recent event. Did these floods exceed the One Hundred Year Flood Plain ?? How about, did these floods exceed the Thousand Year Flood Plain?? If not, some where in the past, weather was worse than Global Warming!! You do know what a flood plain is,, Right??
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 12:28:48 GMT -5
Those questions only seek to justify the lack of population control. A main driver in regards to carcinogenic contamination, is the number of people existing on the planet. The question was only "Why are you replacing" ? In regards to your making same statement about replacing I answered your question honestly. Are you going to answer mine? So, are you a parent, or are you planning to start a family some day? Maybe forty years ago, the DW and I could of done that. We both decided to not have kids along time ago. Careers and various other considerations, including population growth, was part of the decision.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 12:31:22 GMT -5
Peoples "wants", often take precedence over what needs to be done. It does help with understanding the difficulty of the problem. Not to worry, x= - one of Busymom's children won't be replacing him/herself. I wasn't personally attacking her in any way. She is free to do what she wants in my estimation. It was just my way of trying to get a point across on a difficult subject.
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Post by jkapp on Mar 23, 2019 9:25:07 GMT -5
Maybe because climate change proponents can't tell the difference either. Every weather event is blamed on climate change...so is weather a determinate or not?
A low snow pack this winter - oh, its climate change! A heavy snow pack this winter - oh, its climate change! A drought - oh, its climate change! A flood - oh, its climate change! Not enough rain this year - oh, its climate change! Too much rain this year - oh, its climate change! Very few hurricanes this year - oh, its climate change! A lot of hurricanes this year - oh, its climate change! A tornado - oh, its climate change!
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Post by jkapp on Mar 23, 2019 9:29:41 GMT -5
What planet are you planning to live on, once this one becomes too hot & polluted to exist? Just asking... We'll just move to the liberal utopian planet of Fantasia where everyone rides on non-methane expelling Unicorns and work all day making solar panels with nothing but dust and magic wands.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 11:46:14 GMT -5
Maybe because climate change proponents can't tell the difference either. Every weather event is blamed on climate change...so is weather a determinate or not?
A low snow pack this winter - oh, its climate change! A heavy snow pack this winter - oh, its climate change! A drought - oh, its climate change! A flood - oh, its climate change! Not enough rain this year - oh, its climate change! Too much rain this year - oh, its climate change! Very few hurricanes this year - oh, its climate change! A lot of hurricanes this year - oh, its climate change! A tornado - oh, its climate change! In addition... Quote; ‘False Cause’ Fallacy (False Association, induction error.)
A false cause fallacy presents an erroneous association between two variables. The user will link two or more different ideas to form a dishonest or incorrect conclusion. This could be comparing data, or someones past actions with their current (although this is not exhaustive.)
In each case, the link between the variables is erroneous, confounded by a third factor (or more,) or not as straight-forward as the person would wish others to believe.
So let’s look at the basic idea;
False Cause Fallacy: Since A is ‘true’ and B is ‘true’, then ‘C’ must be true.
Correction: ‘A’ and ‘B’ may both be true, but do not explain or cause ‘C’ at all, entirely or alone.
A) Atmospheric carbon retains energy, warms the atmosphere. B) Man contributes to atmospheric carbon. C) Man is the cause of global warming. That's why posts like Reply #9 are totally ignored by AGW proponents. It introduces another possibility. drbenjanaway.com/2018/06/19/10-common-logical-fallacies-and-how-to-fight-back/
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 26, 2019 12:08:40 GMT -5
First, we need to kill all of those methane causing cows,,,Now, We need to cut down all the forest cause ,, trees give off methane!!
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 26, 2019 12:45:06 GMT -5
Maybe because climate change proponents can't tell the difference either. Every weather event is blamed on climate change...so is weather a determinate or not?
A low snow pack this winter - oh, its climate change! A heavy snow pack this winter - oh, its climate change! A drought - oh, its climate change! A flood - oh, its climate change! Not enough rain this year - oh, its climate change! Too much rain this year - oh, its climate change! Very few hurricanes this year - oh, its climate change! A lot of hurricanes this year - oh, its climate change! A tornado - oh, its climate change! In addition... Quote; ‘False Cause’ Fallacy (False Association, induction error.)
A false cause fallacy presents an erroneous association between two variables. The user will link two or more different ideas to form a dishonest or incorrect conclusion. This could be comparing data, or someones past actions with their current (although this is not exhaustive.)
In each case, the link between the variables is erroneous, confounded by a third factor (or more,) or not as straight-forward as the person would wish others to believe.
So let’s look at the basic idea;
False Cause Fallacy: Since A is ‘true’ and B is ‘true’, then ‘C’ must be true.
Correction: ‘A’ and ‘B’ may both be true, but do not explain or cause ‘C’ at all, entirely or alone.
A) Atmospheric carbon retains energy, warms the atmosphere. B) Man contributes to atmospheric carbon. C) Man is the cause of global warming. That's why posts like Reply #9 are totally ignored by AGW proponents. It introduces another possibility. drbenjanaway.com/2018/06/19/10-common-logical-fallacies-and-how-to-fight-back/
Speaking of ignoring posts....why are refusing to answer my questions? You're the one who said climate change is "just a theory". Do you believe in Germ Theory? It's just a theory. I guess you're OK with your doctors not washing their hands or sterilizing their instruments. Do you believe in the Theory of Evolution? It's just a theory.
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 27, 2019 8:36:17 GMT -5
In addition... Quote; ‘False Cause’ Fallacy (False Association, induction error.)
A false cause fallacy presents an erroneous association between two variables. The user will link two or more different ideas to form a dishonest or incorrect conclusion. This could be comparing data, or someones past actions with their current (although this is not exhaustive.)
In each case, the link between the variables is erroneous, confounded by a third factor (or more,) or not as straight-forward as the person would wish others to believe.
So let’s look at the basic idea;
False Cause Fallacy: Since A is ‘true’ and B is ‘true’, then ‘C’ must be true.
Correction: ‘A’ and ‘B’ may both be true, but do not explain or cause ‘C’ at all, entirely or alone.
A) Atmospheric carbon retains energy, warms the atmosphere. B) Man contributes to atmospheric carbon. C) Man is the cause of global warming. That's why posts like Reply #9 are totally ignored by AGW proponents. It introduces another possibility. drbenjanaway.com/2018/06/19/10-common-logical-fallacies-and-how-to-fight-back/
Speaking of ignoring posts....why are refusing to answer my questions? You're the one who said climate change is "just a theory". Do you believe in Germ Theory? It's just a theory. I guess you're OK with your doctors not washing their hands or sterilizing their instruments. Do you believe in the Theory of Evolution? It's just a theory. Really trying to put the"Ol Spinn Toy Top" Theory" ,,,,,,,,here talk about deflection.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 27, 2019 10:39:32 GMT -5
Speaking of ignoring posts....why are refusing to answer my questions? You're the one who said climate change is "just a theory". Do you believe in Germ Theory? It's just a theory. I guess you're OK with your doctors not washing their hands or sterilizing their instruments. Do you believe in the Theory of Evolution? It's just a theory. Really trying to put the"Ol Spinn Toy Top" Theory" ,,,,,,,,here talk about deflection. it's called an analogy.
Evolution is considered settled science by most. so is germ theory. so is global warming.
they are all virtually unanimously conceded. the disagreement is cultishly small.
what weltz is asking is how many cults do you belong to?
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 27, 2019 10:57:10 GMT -5
Certainly not the Global Warming Theory,
Which is behind the Government bid / Estimate, Accuracy Theory! Like in the accuracy of the Cali high speed transit system bid/estimate!! Where they were working off tangible product!! A couple of years out.
Not 50, 75, or 100 years out, with an intangible product.
So tell me, are you costs estimates running your business as accurate as the Government costs estimates??
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 12:01:33 GMT -5
Really trying to put the"Ol Spinn Toy Top" Theory" ,,,,,,,,here talk about deflection. it's called an analogy.
Evolution is considered settled science by most. so is germ theory. so is global warming.
they are all virtually unanimously conceded. the disagreement is cultishly small.
what weltz is asking is how many cults do you belong to?
Global warming is an undisputed fact. Our perception of the cause, is not proven fact.
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