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Post by dezii on Mar 25, 2019 9:34:01 GMT -5
I will probably be chastised for doing this, bringing up an old thread, but please go to page 55 of this old thread. ymam.proboards.com/thread/49490/general-election-2016-clinton-trump?page=55Although not a prediction dj, says Clinton had the lead, and dezi questioned the electoral number for Clinton. Next couple of pages talked how the stock market was collapsing in front of everyone's eyes because Trump won. Quite a few posters were in total shock. They were wrong then about a Trump Presidency and wrong today about collusion and obstruction of Justice. Donald is a lier...a s***** [not a nice person] and a rapest as a young man...a draft dodger...self admitted...own words..."not going to Vietnam"...not someone I would bring home to Sunday dinner....but that is me...
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Post by swamp on Mar 25, 2019 9:42:09 GMT -5
Virgil lumps everything that isn't Trump's state propaganda network into 'MSM' - including satire like The Daily Show and the Onion. I've proscribed the MSM before. It's based on ownership and synchronicity of message. 'The Onion' obviously doesn't qualify because it's not owned by the Big Six conglomerate and it doesn't run precisely the same news stories as all of the outlets owned by the conglomerate. 'The Daily Show' is owned by the Big Six conglomerate and does run (or at least cover) precisely the same news stories, with identical biases, omissions, etc., hence it is a part of the MSM. FOX is also a part of the MSM, if that's what you mean by "Trump's state propaganda network". FOX is unusual in that it has pro-Republican biases, but it reports the same things, ignores the same things, hypes the same things, downplays the same things, and in many ways crafts the same narratives as all the rest.
Seriously? The Onion is satire. IT IS NOT NEWS, NOR DOES IT PRETEND TO BE.
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Post by NastyWoman on Mar 25, 2019 10:31:36 GMT -5
OK, which ones are PRO Trump?? Comey always claimed to be Republican, but he was way too slimey to be one. Rosenstein, we have to wait and see if he actually wanted to go in wired to meet Trump. I would say that identifies him as the prototype of one of these "trump-age" republicans. However, all that aside it should not be needed to be pointed out, yet I'll do it anyway, but this "witch hunt" was started 22 months ago by the republicans!
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 25, 2019 10:56:03 GMT -5
please spare us the bullshit talking points. WaPo is one of the most reliable journals in the US. Please spare me the accusation of talking points. I do not use them. My thoughts are strictly my own. You should have as good of a record predicting Presidential results in this century as I do. red herring. this was not about predictions.
but for the record, I am done predicting US elections. I have no skin in that game.
i will let you and Paul make complete asses of yourselves in 2020, while i enjoy the view from abroad.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 25, 2019 10:58:21 GMT -5
for example?
Mueller himself is a Republican. Rosenstein is a Republican. Comey is a Republican.
where are these "Clinton Supporters" i keep hearing about?
OK, which ones are PRO Trump?? you are moving the goalposts.
which ones are pro-Clinton?
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 25, 2019 10:59:20 GMT -5
OK, which ones are PRO Trump?? Comey always claimed to be Republican, but he was way too slimey to be one.
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 25, 2019 11:25:04 GMT -5
OK, which ones are PRO Trump?? Comey always claimed to be Republican, but he was way too slimey to be one. Rosenstein, we have to wait and see if he actually wanted to go in wired to meet Trump. It is possible to be "too slimy" to be a Republican? Not that Dems are clean and sparkly. I have seen no evidence that anything it too low that it would exempt you from being part of a political party.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Mar 25, 2019 11:38:29 GMT -5
Hillary did not in any way shape or form prove that none of the emails she deleted from her private server did not contain some kind of quid pro quo involving the tens of millions of dollars that the Clinton Foundation collected from Russians and other bad actors. Frankly, being able to cover her tracks is the most sensible reason why someone who is not tech save would bother having a private server. And since the server was wiped, there is no way to prove that some bad actor doesn't have leverage on her. Had she won the election, would you be ok with her being subjected to never ending special council investigations, because she could not prove her innocence? one need not prove themselves innocent. the standard in justice is to prove guilt. either you admit that Clinton is innocent by the standards of justice, or you allow that Trump may not be, but you can't have it both ways. [ br] That is exactly the point I am making. You can’t have it both ways. And if failure to indict is not going to be the end of the investigations for Trump, then you have no room to complain when the same thing happens to someone you like. Had Hillary Clinton been elected, would you be OK with the Republicans demanding to see every scrap of information on the Benghazi and email server investigations, And then launching their own politically motivated investigation, complete with leaks and smearing of God knows how many innocent people with unfounded allegations? Or, would you be saying that the fact that Comey did not indicate her was the end of it, and that she needed to be given a chance to govern?
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 25, 2019 11:43:52 GMT -5
I will probably be chastised for doing this, bringing up an old thread, but please go to page 55 of this old thread. ymam.proboards.com/thread/49490/general-election-2016-clinton-trump?page=55Although not a prediction dj, says Clinton had the lead, and dezi questioned the electoral number for Clinton. Next couple of pages talked how the stock market was collapsing in front of everyone's eyes because Trump won. Quite a few posters were in total shock. They were wrong then about a Trump Presidency and wrong today about collusion and obstruction of Justice. Sure, VB, Trump is having a good day. One good day in two years of fuck ups, tweets, antagonizing our allies, cozying up to our enemies, talking shit about heros like John McCain, the biggest deficit ever, the biggest trade imbalance ever, and layer after layer of his company, his charity and his inaugural committee being peeled back to reveal a family and an administration mired in grift and self dealing.
I encourage you to enjoy this day. Trump certainly is, although his toadies have tried to talk him into not being 'triumphant.' He can't help it, and he can't help threatening destruction to everyone he perceives is his enemy. That's just how your POTUS is, one hand extended out to his blindly loyal followers, the other extended out in a big fuck you to the rest of us.
It worked for him in 2016. Let's see if it will still work in 2020.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 25, 2019 11:49:55 GMT -5
one need not prove themselves innocent. the standard in justice is to prove guilt. either you admit that Clinton is innocent by the standards of justice, or you allow that Trump may not be, but you can't have it both ways. [ br] That is exactly the point I am making. You can’t have it both ways. And if failure to indict is not going to be the end of the investigations for Trump, then you have no room to complain when the same thing happens to someone you like. Had Hillary Clinton been elected, would you be OK with the Republicans demanding to see every scrap of information on the Benghazi and email server investigations, And then launching their own politically motivated investigation, complete with leaks and smearing of God knows how many innocent people with unfounded allegations? Or, would you be saying that the fact that Comey did not indicate her was the end of it, and that she needed to be given a chance to govern? The GOP DID launch countless Benghazi! investigations, trying to pin a military failure on a Secretary of State (who has no say so over military operations AT ALL).
I think it was 11 investigations - 11 investigations that sucked up her time, taking her away from being secretary of State, and wasting tax payer money. And ended up with some allegations of her emailing over a non-government server - things that, so far 7 of Trumps admins have done in the last 2 years, without a single peep from anyone in Congress about investigating THEM.
Hillary also lived through the Whitewater thing, which was what - 10 years of hearings? And a couple people got busted for questionable loans?
So far, 2 years of investigations, which resulted in 35 indictments, seems like a cakewalk compared to the worthless time and effort the GOP controlled congress invested on Whitewater and Bengazhi.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 25, 2019 11:52:54 GMT -5
for example?
Mueller himself is a Republican. Rosenstein is a Republican. Comey is a Republican.
where are these "Clinton Supporters" i keep hearing about?
OK, which ones are PRO Trump?? I think it's telling that we now have two parties, the GOP party and the part of GOP members who can hold their nose and be 'pro-Trump.'
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 25, 2019 11:57:02 GMT -5
Listening to Trump's two senior lawyers this morning was interesting. Rudy and Jay had some good thoughts on what is next. Former heads of Obama's Administration will not be happy. Yes, by all means, let's get behind a 'tit for tat' government.
It's not like there is anything really important going on in government. The more time our president spends trying to fuck over the people on his enemies list, the better, I guess.
Looks like Russia won the election after all, since they managed to help get the most antagonistic, divisive president in history elected, and he's doing a great job keeping the country firmly divided into opposing camps.
Did you see the article that said the Russian state house cheered when the news was announced that Trump wouldn't be indicted? #MAGA.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 25, 2019 12:07:58 GMT -5
I've proscribed the MSM before. It's based on ownership and synchronicity of message. 'The Onion' obviously doesn't qualify because it's not owned by the Big Six conglomerate and it doesn't run precisely the same news stories as all of the outlets owned by the conglomerate. 'The Daily Show' is owned by the Big Six conglomerate and does run (or at least cover) precisely the same news stories, with identical biases, omissions, etc., hence it is a part of the MSM. FOX is also a part of the MSM, if that's what you mean by "Trump's state propaganda network". FOX is unusual in that it has pro-Republican biases, but it reports the same things, ignores the same things, hypes the same things, downplays the same things, and in many ways crafts the same narratives as all the rest.
Seriously? The Onion is satire. IT IS NOT NEWS, NOR DOES IT PRETEND TO BE. I know what The Onion is. My point is that it's not a part of the MSM.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 25, 2019 12:18:09 GMT -5
Seriously? The Onion is satire. IT IS NOT NEWS, NOR DOES IT PRETEND TO BE. I know what The Onion is. My point is that it's not a part of the MSM.
But the Daily Show is?
IMO if people are too stupid to know the difference between satire and real journalism, we're too stupid too survive as a nation.
Of course, a large percentage of us are two stupid to spot a con man, even when he's caught in the act of lying, so I guess there's no hope for us anyway.
I've always liked the idea of splitting the country into four smaller countries. That looks more and more appealing every day.
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Post by swamp on Mar 25, 2019 12:19:09 GMT -5
Seriously? The Onion is satire. IT IS NOT NEWS, NOR DOES IT PRETEND TO BE. I know what The Onion is. My point is that it's not a part of the MSM.
Your answer is right. Your stated reasoning is wrong.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 25, 2019 12:24:04 GMT -5
... The GOP DID launch countless Benghazi! investigations, trying to pin a military failure on a Secretary of State (who has no say so over military operations AT ALL). ... It was not a "military" situation. It was CIA.
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Post by NastyWoman on Mar 25, 2019 13:00:32 GMT -5
one need not prove themselves innocent. the standard in justice is to prove guilt. either you admit that Clinton is innocent by the standards of justice, or you allow that Trump may not be, but you can't have it both ways. [ br] That is exactly the point I am making. You can’t have it both ways . And if failure to indict is not going to be the end of the investigations for Trump, then you have no room to complain when the same thing happens to someone you like.
Had Hillary Clinton been elected, would you be OK with the Republicans demanding to see every scrap of information on the Benghazi and email server investigations, And then launching their own politically motivated investigation, complete with leaks and smearing of God knows how many innocent people with unfounded allegations? Or, would you be saying that the fact that Comey did not indicate her was the end of it, and that she needed to be given a chance to govern? Cart <-> wagon? How many times have we already had Benghazi and email server investigations? In the immortal words of my sons (and all other siblings in this world) "you started it"
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 25, 2019 13:54:34 GMT -5
I will probably be chastised for doing this, bringing up an old thread, but please go to page 55 of this old thread. ymam.proboards.com/thread/49490/general-election-2016-clinton-trump?page=55Although not a prediction dj, says Clinton had the lead, and dezi questioned the electoral number for Clinton. Next couple of pages talked how the stock market was collapsing in front of everyone's eyes because Trump won. Quite a few posters were in total shock. They were wrong then about a Trump Presidency and wrong today about collusion and obstruction of Justice. I looked on that page, and I saw this from dj: "The electoral college absolutely favors the GOP." He was dead nuts right. She won by 3 million votes. The GOP however won the electoral college, and thus, the election. You shouldn't bring up old threads, and it's a bit churlish to throw them up in people's faces, but I saw his analysis as being pretty good. I still do. thanks, deminmaine. i was just about to block this poster. but i am going to back down on my defensiveness.
for now.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 25, 2019 13:56:23 GMT -5
one need not prove themselves innocent. the standard in justice is to prove guilt. either you admit that Clinton is innocent by the standards of justice, or you allow that Trump may not be, but you can't have it both ways. [ br] That is exactly the point I am making. You can’t have it both ways. And if failure to indict is not going to be the end of the investigations for Trump, then you have no room to complain when the same thing happens to someone you like. Had Hillary Clinton been elected, would you be OK with the Republicans demanding to see every scrap of information on the Benghazi and email server investigations, And then launching their own politically motivated investigation, complete with leaks and smearing of God knows how many innocent people with unfounded allegations? Or, would you be saying that the fact that Comey did not indicate her was the end of it, and that she needed to be given a chance to govern? they already did that, and it lead nowhere.
i expect Republicans to put that issue down, just as i plan on putting collusion down, now.
you with me?
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 25, 2019 13:57:56 GMT -5
I will probably be chastised for doing this, bringing up an old thread, but please go to page 55 of this old thread. ymam.proboards.com/thread/49490/general-election-2016-clinton-trump?page=55Although not a prediction dj, says Clinton had the lead, and dezi questioned the electoral number for Clinton. Next couple of pages talked how the stock market was collapsing in front of everyone's eyes because Trump won. Quite a few posters were in total shock. They were wrong then about a Trump Presidency and wrong today about collusion and obstruction of Justice. Sure, VB, Trump is having a good day. One good day in two years of fuck ups, tweets, antagonizing our allies, cozying up to our enemies, talking shit about heros like John McCain, the biggest deficit ever, the biggest trade imbalance ever, and layer after layer of his company, his charity and his inaugural committee being peeled back to reveal a family and an administration mired in grift and self dealing.
I encourage you to enjoy this day. Trump certainly is, although his toadies have tried to talk him into not being 'triumphant.' He can't help it, and he can't help threatening destruction to everyone he perceives is his enemy. That's just how your POTUS is, one hand extended out to his blindly loyal followers, the other extended out in a big fuck you to the rest of us.
It worked for him in 2016. Let's see if it will still work in 2020.
yeah- great. he is not a Russian agent. yippee.
next?
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 25, 2019 14:30:39 GMT -5
Sure, VB, Trump is having a good day. One good day in two years of fuck ups, tweets, antagonizing our allies, cozying up to our enemies, talking shit about heros like John McCain, the biggest deficit ever, the biggest trade imbalance ever, and layer after layer of his company, his charity and his inaugural committee being peeled back to reveal a family and an administration mired in grift and self dealing.
I encourage you to enjoy this day. Trump certainly is, although his toadies have tried to talk him into not being 'triumphant.' He can't help it, and he can't help threatening destruction to everyone he perceives is his enemy. That's just how your POTUS is, one hand extended out to his blindly loyal followers, the other extended out in a big fuck you to the rest of us.
It worked for him in 2016. Let's see if it will still work in 2020.
yeah- great. he is not a Russian agent. yippee.
next?
I would say 'we don't have proof he's not a Russian agent' - and you're right, that seems an amazingly low bar to set for a president, but with this particular president, I guess we should be glad he and his bumbling campaign managed to pass it.
I supposed we should also celebrate that he hasn't started a war yet, he hasn't punched anyone in the face yet, and hasn't paid off a former sex worker girlfriend within the last year (that we know of ) - whoo hoo....
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 25, 2019 14:39:45 GMT -5
Wow....what a low bar. "We don't have proof he's not a Russian agent" Who woulda thunk it?
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 25, 2019 14:44:50 GMT -5
Wow....what a low bar. "We don't have proof he's not a Russian agent" Who woulda thunk it? I wish you would start some threads on how happy you are with your administration up north from here. I am sure we could argue how good he actually is for Canada and the wonderful things he has done.
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Post by swamp on Mar 25, 2019 14:46:34 GMT -5
Sure, VB, Trump is having a good day. One good day in two years of fuck ups, tweets, antagonizing our allies, cozying up to our enemies, talking shit about heros like John McCain, the biggest deficit ever, the biggest trade imbalance ever, and layer after layer of his company, his charity and his inaugural committee being peeled back to reveal a family and an administration mired in grift and self dealing.
I encourage you to enjoy this day. Trump certainly is, although his toadies have tried to talk him into not being 'triumphant.' He can't help it, and he can't help threatening destruction to everyone he perceives is his enemy. That's just how your POTUS is, one hand extended out to his blindly loyal followers, the other extended out in a big fuck you to the rest of us.
It worked for him in 2016. Let's see if it will still work in 2020.
yeah- great. he is not a Russian agent. yippee.
next?
he's not willingly a russian agent, but Putin knows how to play him.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 25, 2019 14:59:35 GMT -5
Wow....what a low bar. "We don't have proof he's not a Russian agent" Who woulda thunk it? I wish you would start some threads on how happy you are with your administration up north from here. I am sure we could argue how good he actually is for Canada and the wonderful things he has done. Nobody would read it. People don't care what happens in Canada.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 25, 2019 15:17:54 GMT -5
the Hill is maybe the most reliable political journal in the US.
what is your issue with The Hill? that it is not Breitbart?
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 25, 2019 15:18:46 GMT -5
yeah- great. he is not a Russian agent. yippee.
next?
he's not willingly a russian agent, but Putin knows how to play him. like a fiddle. it is like they said about Reagan during Iran Contra:
"stupid if he didn't know, dishonest if he did"
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Post by dondub on Mar 25, 2019 16:02:25 GMT -5
Or the Alzheimers had kicked in and the treasonous swine he had surrounded himself with 'forgot' to inform him.
I just loved that whole affair...Israelis transferring weapons they had seized from the PLO through us to the Contras. Plus the Israelis transferring on at least 3 occasions TOW and Hawk anti-tank missiles to the Iranians on our behalf. Minimum.
Consider now how the righties wet themselves over Obama having given the Iraninas back their own money. CASH...OMG!!! Missiles...no big deal/Reagan/Israel.
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