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Post by mmhmm on Mar 13, 2019 4:28:03 GMT -5
Their bus was to meet them over 100 yards from the steps on which they had gathered. The March for Life permit was for an area other than the memorial. Ahhh. I forgot those White boys were not allowed the stand in the Colored Section I guess!
They needed to be put into their place,,,
"Colored Section"? Really? There is no "Colored Section". There are, however, permits issued for demonstrations. Demonstrations are to occur in the areas for which their permits are issued. Frankly, I'm disappointed in you, AS. I didn't think you'd stoop to such an outdated and bigoted terminology.
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 13, 2019 5:57:04 GMT -5
This whole thing stinks of bigotry, For what ever reason, news articles say that the kids were waiting for the buses, It was the Black Hebrew Israelite's that approached them , started shouting racial slurs, up till this point the kids did nothing. At that point after being told by the Chaperone that if they said anything back they would be disciplined, they sang the school fight song,, Then the "Native Americans" decided to get in the middle of it,, beating his drum,, while one of the others shout at the kids to go back to Europe where they can from!! The White kid stood there with s a smile , smirk if you want to call it that ,,and did nothing!! Yet the kids are portrait as racist, the others were 'Saint on the playground" did almost nothing wrong!! You contend they should have not been there!! Where in the Hell should they have been then??
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 13, 2019 9:21:13 GMT -5
$10,000? No. The chld has been publicly named as a racist, and that is some of the polite things said about him. There is humiliation involved here conducted on a minor as well as his name now becoming a foot note in history. I imagine there will be seversal books eventually written on these issues. $250,000,000 is outrageous, but ten to 20 million is realistic. Maybe five million for the actual written attack, with another 10 million or so for outrageous egarious conduct by WaPO. Same for CNN on the other announced lawsuit. The little MAGA snowflake chose to wear a racist symbol. And is now offended that some people think that was a racist thing to do? I don't see his family getting $10K. Aren't conservatives the ones who are always bitching about frivolous lawsuits? If justice were truly to be served, his family would be ordered to pay WaPo's legal expenses. Here is the problem. You see the MAGA hat as racist and just another white sheet on our head. Trump supporters and myself see it as making America an economic as well as political powerhouse again, placing us back at the top of world leadership in all areas of economic output, production and economic achievement for the greater good of all of our citizens. No more apology tours around the world. I wear my MAGA hat many times while out and about on walks, as well as businesses, shops, restaurants, etc. I do remove it when entering a building, as I always have removed any hat from my head as I was taught years ago as a child. I have worn the hat in downtown Chicago. northwest Indiana and all over Florida and points in between. I can count the negative reaction to the hat on about one hand, and for the most part no one really says much of anything, or even rolls their eyes at me. As far as positive reaction, there is sometimes, but rarily goes past someone saying MAGA, as they pass by in the opposite direction. People bitching it is racist are just trying to deflect from the reality of the meaning. Now what was President Obama's catch phrase? Just a whisper in history today.......
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 13, 2019 9:21:32 GMT -5
Where in the Hell should they have been then?? Wherever it was that they were actually supposed to be waiting for their bus. mmhmm says they were more than 100 yards away.
As far as this thread is concerned, the boys' culpability in the confrontation hinges on whether trouble came to them or whether they wandered off looking for it, and there's obviously a disagreement over which one took place. At the very least, the boys exercised poor judgment.
Let's say I'm waiting for a bus in the US, wearing an "I love Canada" shirt. I hear a commotion and see a group protesting. I wander over to hear what they're saying. As I get closer, I hear "Down with Canada! Down with frostbacks! Canada sucks!" and see the protesters standing around en masse, clearly spoiling for a confrontation. The first thing I'm not going to do is stick around. The prudent man forsees danger and hides himself. I'm going to retreat to my bus stop and bide my time. But suppose I've been spotted with my provocative shirt and the demonstrators come over to take me to task. The second thing I'm not going to do is start singing a fight song. A calm word turns away wrath. If there's a leader or somebody willing to speak to me, I'll engage him in conversation. Try to reason with him about why Canadians aren't so bad. If not, I might shout out "We don't deserve this.", "Shame on you.", etc. a few times, and then turn my back to the mob and ignore them. Stoicism is a virtue. Suppose it's a needed one in this case. I'm at the bus stop, surrounded by implacable people shouting slurs and banging drums, silently ignoring them. The third thing I'm not going to do is smile a huge grin at them as I'm standing my ground. Why should I grin? Because I have the right to? Because I'm proud to be Canadian? I am proud to be Canadian, but it's not a boastful pride. I don't need to grin in the faces of irate people. I don't need a yearly parade down Main Street, USA telling the world how proud and wonderful Canadians are. Pride can quickly become a snare and cause for sin, and Catholic schoolboys, of all people, should know this. Hence, while I agree with you that the "Black Hebrew Israelites" and Native American man bear much of the guilt, Later is right to say the boys bear guilt too. They didn't behave in a way Christians are supposed to behave. They weren't peacemakers and they didn't exercise good judgment.
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 13, 2019 9:29:24 GMT -5
Unless there was a sign saying "No standing allowed at this spot" They were in their legal right to be there in that spot. They were with their chaparones at the time of the incident and under adult supervision waiting for their bus. Most of us have been there over the years, and I think we can all agree people meander and waunder everywhere, as if they were a herd of cattle in a field........especually the bus tour groups....... I think Laterbloomer should rethink her argument as it does not carry water for one foot. We know Phillips walked up to the boys and played the drum. In fact he originally stated he wanted to come between the boys and the Black Israelites to defuse a potential confrontation whether real or imagined by him.....
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 13, 2019 10:29:09 GMT -5
Unless there was a sign saying "No standing allowed at this spot" They were in their legal right to be there in that spot. It's people's legal right to do all kinds of things they're better off not doing. If even one of the groups--the Black Hebrews, the schoolboys, the MSM, the people harassing the Sandmanns, the Sandmanns themselves--had behaved in a way conducive to peace rather than asserting their right to stir up angst and trouble, this thread wouldn't exist.
Now you have pundits fighting over racism, strangers at each other's throats o'er the Internet, and $250 million lawsuits flying. Congratulations on the fruits of people exercising their legal rights.
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Post by laterbloomer on Mar 13, 2019 10:46:41 GMT -5
LOL Not quite. I would just stop talking about it.
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Post by laterbloomer on Mar 13, 2019 10:50:32 GMT -5
Unless there was a sign saying "No standing allowed at this spot" They were in their legal right to be there in that spot. It's people's legal right to do all kinds of things they're better off not doing. If even one of the groups--the Black Hebrews, the schoolboys, the MSM, the people harassing the Sandmanns, the Sandmanns themselves--had behaved in a way conducive to peace rather than asserting their right to stir up angst and trouble, this thread wouldn't exist.
Now you have pundits fighting over racism, strangers at each other's throats o'er the Internet, and $250 million lawsuits flying. Congratulations on the fruits of people exercising their legal rights.
We actually agree on that!
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 14, 2019 0:29:19 GMT -5
This whole thing stinks of bigotry, For what ever reason, news articles say that the kids were waiting for the buses, It was the Black Hebrew Israelite's that approached them , started shouting racial slurs, up till this point the kids did nothing. At that point after being told by the Chaperone that if they said anything back they would be disciplined, they sang the school fight song,, Then the "Native Americans" decided to get in the middle of it,, beating his drum,, while one of the others shout at the kids to go back to Europe where they can from!! The White kid stood there with s a smile , smirk if you want to call it that ,,and did nothing!! Yet the kids are portrait as racist, the others were 'Saint on the playground" did almost nothing wrong!! You contend they should have not been there!! Where in the Hell should they have been then?? I'd say they should have been waiting for their bus where said bus was scheduled to pick them up. I didn't see any "Saint on the playground". The old guy with the drum was trying to get to the memorial stairs, which the kids were blocking. However, he should not have been beating his drum once he saw there were problems. There were no "saints" involved, AS.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 14, 2019 2:10:12 GMT -5
The little MAGA snowflake chose to wear a racist symbol. And is now offended that some people think that was a racist thing to do? I don't see his family getting $10K. Aren't conservatives the ones who are always bitching about frivolous lawsuits? If justice were truly to be served, his family would be ordered to pay WaPo's legal expenses. Here is the problem. You see the MAGA hat as racist and just another white sheet on our head. Trump supporters and myself see it as making America an economic as well as political powerhouse again, placing us back at the top of world leadership in all areas of economic output, production and economic achievement for the greater good of all of our citizens. No more apology tours around the world. you didn't see it that way during the primary. you seem to have become a convert since then.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 14, 2019 2:11:21 GMT -5
Unless there was a sign saying "No standing allowed at this spot" They were in their legal right to be there in that spot. sure. and you are within your rights to wave a Nazi flag in a Black Lives Matter rally.
query: do you think that it serves any other purpose, other than to possible get yourself beaten to a pulp?
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 14, 2019 9:36:37 GMT -5
Where in the Hell should they have been then?? Wherever it was that they were actually supposed to be waiting for their bus. mmhmm says they were more than 100 yards away.
As far as this thread is concerned, the boys' culpability in the confrontation hinges on whether trouble came to them or whether they wandered off looking for it, and there's obviously a disagreement over which one took place. At the very least, the boys exercised poor judgment.
Let's say I'm waiting for a bus in the US, wearing an "I love Canada" shirt. I hear a commotion and see a group protesting. I wander over to hear what they're saying. As I get closer, I hear "Down with Canada! Down with frostbacks! Canada sucks!" and see the protesters standing around en masse, clearly spoiling for a confrontation. The first thing I'm not going to do is stick around. The prudent man forsees danger and hides himself. I'm going to retreat to my bus stop and bide my time. But suppose I've been spotted with my provocative shirt and the demonstrators come over to take me to task. The second thing I'm not going to do is start singing a fight song. A calm word turns away wrath. If there's a leader or somebody willing to speak to me, I'll engage him in conversation. Try to reason with him about why Canadians aren't so bad. If not, I might shout out "We don't deserve this.", "Shame on you.", etc. a few times, and then turn my back to the mob and ignore them. Stoicism is a virtue. Suppose it's a needed one in this case. I'm at the bus stop, surrounded by implacable people shouting slurs and banging drums, silently ignoring them. The third thing I'm not going to do is smile a huge grin at them as I'm standing my ground. Why should I grin? Because I have the right to? Because I'm proud to be Canadian? I am proud to be Canadian, but it's not a boastful pride. I don't need to grin in the faces of irate people. I don't need a yearly parade down Main Street, USA telling the world how proud and wonderful Canadians are. Pride can quickly become a snare and cause for sin, and Catholic schoolboys, of all people, should know this. Hence, while I agree with you that the "Black Hebrew Israelites" and Native American man bear much of the guilt, Later is right to say the boys bear guilt too. They didn't behave in a way Christians are supposed to behave. They weren't peacemakers and they didn't exercise good judgment.
You and I differ on this, If I was wearing my new NRA, Trump MAGA hat,, Minding my own business,, If someone decides to take my hat off, steal it, or throw it on the ground stomp on it. You can expect a serious reaction from me!
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Post by laterbloomer on Mar 14, 2019 11:19:02 GMT -5
First no one is buying the 'minding my own business" bit. And the part that is really scaring you is that if you do that passive aggressive shit in the wrong place any more you are going to have a big problem.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 14, 2019 12:32:52 GMT -5
You and I differ on this, If I was wearing my new NRA, Trump MAGA hat,, Minding my own business,, If someone decides to take my hat off, steal it, or throw it on the ground stomp on it. You can expect a serious reaction from me!
As LB points out, "minding my own business" and "singing a fight song after having converged on loud, aggressive protestors more than 100 yards away from my own business" are distinctly different. Furthermore, the calculus changes if I'm being repeatedly physically assaulted by a single man. ETA: I do agree with you that a MAGA hat isn't an inherently racist symbol. Nobody should be hassled or derided for wearing one. At the same time, my advice is the same as it is in those "blaming the victim" threads. Regardless of what should happen, we live in a world where wearing a MAGA hat does provoke certain people. Ask yourself: "Is wearing this hat important enough to me that it's worth the risk of potentially severe consequences?"
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Post by laterbloomer on Mar 14, 2019 13:17:03 GMT -5
And that is the root of the battle. Being called out on what you are saying by wearing that hat is a sign of loss of white privilege. "To those use to privilege, equality feels like discrimination."
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 14, 2019 13:51:13 GMT -5
And that is the root of the battle. Being called out on what you are saying by wearing that hat is a sign of loss of white privilege. "To those use to privilege, equality feels like discrimination." The root is "Ask yourself whether this the hill you want to die on before wearing the hat; people can be unreasonable and irascible."
No "white privilege", "equality", "discrimination" or any other buzzwords need apply. Don't make it out like it's a good thing Americans can't wear a bloody pro-Trump hat without risking hostile confrontation. The radical left may be that far gone but I refuse to believe anyone here is that cuckolded.
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Post by laterbloomer on Mar 14, 2019 13:55:17 GMT -5
And that is the root of the battle. Being called out on what you are saying by wearing that hat is a sign of loss of white privilege. "To those use to privilege, equality feels like discrimination." The root is "Ask yourself whether this the hill you want to die on before wearing the hat; people can be unreasonable and irascible."
No "white privilege", "equality", "discrimination" or any other buzzwords need apply. Don't make it out like it's a good thing Americans can't wear a bloody pro-Trump hat without risking hostile confrontation. The radical left may be that far gone but I refuse to believe anyone here is that cuckolded.
And this would be where you and I part company. They are willing to die on that hill specifically because it is a loss of privilege. Privilege is not a buzzword, it is societal issue that is coming to a head right now. ETA - They don't think they will die on that hill. They think their privilege will be reinforced.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 14, 2019 17:36:43 GMT -5
The root is "Ask yourself whether this the hill you want to die on before wearing the hat; people can be unreasonable and irascible."
No "white privilege", "equality", "discrimination" or any other buzzwords need apply. Don't make it out like it's a good thing Americans can't wear a bloody pro-Trump hat without risking hostile confrontation. The radical left may be that far gone but I refuse to believe anyone here is that cuckolded.
And this would be where you and I part company. They are willing to die on that hill specifically because it is a loss of privilege. Privilege is not a buzzword, it is societal issue that is coming to a head right now. ETA - They don't think they will die on that hill. They think their privilege will be reinforced. What "privilege" are they exercising by wearing a hat? The privilege to wear a hat? But... y- you're right. Hat wearing in America is for white people only! I never knew. I blame all the propaganda footage their news agencies put out showing blacks, whites, Hispanics, all walking around American cities wearing hats without being mobbed by angry white people. Now I know better, and I have to say your conclusion is spot on: it is better that both blacks and whites get mobbed for wearing hats. Because equality. But we can't stop there. I've heard only white people can put "I'm with her." bumper stickers on their cars without getting their tires slashed. Yes sir, pure white privilege. White folks slap one of those babies on their Civic and park in front of the supermarket like they own the whole damn city, thinking their privilege will be reinforced. I think it's about time a few intrepid social justice warriors start slashing those pretty little Civic tires and evening up the playing field. Because equality. Hats, bumper stickers, those little paper American flags, "Vote Trump!" yard signs, Liz Warren bobble-heads... By Moonbeam's beard, I'll bet only white people can own any of those things terror-free. We need to hunt their privilege down like a rabid dog and make sure no man, woman, or child dares exercise it, white or not.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 14, 2019 17:57:54 GMT -5
And that is the root of the battle. Being called out on what you are saying by wearing that hat is a sign of loss of white privilege. "To those use to privilege, equality feels like discrimination." The root is "Ask yourself whether this the hill you want to die on before wearing the hat; people can be unreasonable and irascible."
No "white privilege", "equality", "discrimination" or any other buzzwords need apply. Don't make it out like it's a good thing Americans can't wear a bloody pro-Trump hat without risking hostile confrontation. The radical left may be that far gone but I refuse to believe anyone here is that cuckolded.
That stupid hat is just like wearing a pointy white hood.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 14, 2019 20:18:31 GMT -5
The root is "Ask yourself whether this the hill you want to die on before wearing the hat; people can be unreasonable and irascible."
No "white privilege", "equality", "discrimination" or any other buzzwords need apply. Don't make it out like it's a good thing Americans can't wear a bloody pro-Trump hat without risking hostile confrontation. The radical left may be that far gone but I refuse to believe anyone here is that cuckolded.
That stupid hat is just like wearing a pointy white hood. After Charlottesville, a trump hat became a racist symbol. The trumpets can bemoan the fact that wearing it labels them as racist pricks, but that is on the white nationalists that trump called “very fine people”. Last month, on a cruise ship a couple sat down next to us. The wife tried to make conversation, but her husband was wearing a trump hat. DH and I just looked at each other then got up and moved to another table. I saw them a few times after that, but did not see the hat again.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 14, 2019 20:26:08 GMT -5
That stupid hat is just like wearing a pointy white hood. After Charlottesville, a trump hat became a racist symbol. The trumpets can bemoan the fact that wearing it labels them as racist pricks, but that is on the white nationalists that trump called “very fine people”. Last month, on a cruise ship a couple sat down next to us. The wife tried to make conversation, but her husband was wearing a trump hat. DH and I just looked at each other then got up and moved to another table. I saw them a few times after that, but did not see the hat again. It wasn't just Charlottesville. Before that, it was "I don't like black people counting my money" and before that, it was the attempt to keep black people out of Trump buildings. So, yeah...a MAGA hat means you're fine with it. Might as well wear the pointy white hood.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 14, 2019 20:28:22 GMT -5
The root is "Ask yourself whether this the hill you want to die on before wearing the hat; people can be unreasonable and irascible."
No "white privilege", "equality", "discrimination" or any other buzzwords need apply. Don't make it out like it's a good thing Americans can't wear a bloody pro-Trump hat without risking hostile confrontation. The radical left may be that far gone but I refuse to believe anyone here is that cuckolded.
That stupid hat is just like wearing a pointy white hood. Says who? You? Why should anyone give a toot what you say a MAGA hat means?
If I say polar bears are racist symbols, are you going to your avatar? If I say the Canadian flag stands for oppression and the slaughter of natives, are you going to give up the Canadian flag? If you don't, do you deserve to be called a racist whatever and driven away from civilized people? Seriously, do tell.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 14, 2019 20:32:26 GMT -5
That stupid hat is just like wearing a pointy white hood. Says who? You? Why should anyone give a toot what you say a MAGA hat means?
If I say polar bears are racist symbols, are you going to your avatar? If I say the Canadian flag stands for oppression and the slaughter of natives, are you going to give up the Canadian flag? If you don't, do you deserve to be called a racist whatever and driven away from civilized people? Seriously, do tell.
:::sigh::: To ME, and to many other people, the MAGA hat is a racist symbol. The fact that it isn't to you, is very unfortunate.
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Post by laterbloomer on Mar 14, 2019 20:32:29 GMT -5
Virgil Showlion ridicule is neither debate nor discussion. It's the refuge of a fool that has no valid argument. I wish Horatio was here, he could tell me the name of that argument technique where you take the comment to ridiculous ends were never suggested. You know what is great about people that put I'm with Her bumper stickers on their cars and wear Hats to protests? None of us deny the point we are making. Unlike some chicken shits I know
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 14, 2019 20:44:37 GMT -5
Before that, it was "I don't like black people counting my money" and before that, it was the attempt to keep black people out of Trump buildings. So, yeah...a MAGA hat means you're fine with it. Might as well wear the pointy white hood. Yes sir. Wearing a hat to show support for a president with alleged vague prejudices, and wearing a hood proudly declaring membership in an organization dedicated to the murder of innocent people: exactly the same thing. Beam. me. up. You are so far asea in your progressive mysticism, they've declared you lost at sea and given your spouses their pensions. Dare I ask why these racists proudly sporting their racist red hats don't actually wear white hoods? Does the prog-o-dex have an answer for that one?
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Post by tallguy on Mar 14, 2019 20:44:51 GMT -5
Virgil Showlion ridicule is neither debate nor discussion. It's the refuge of a fool that has no valid argument. I wish Horatio was here, he could tell me the name of that argument technique where you take the comment to ridiculous ends were never suggested. You know what is great about people that put I'm with Her bumper stickers on their cars and wear Hats to protests? None of us deny the point we are making. Unlike some chicken shits I know Reductio ad absurdum?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 14, 2019 20:49:11 GMT -5
Virgil Showlion ridicule is neither debate nor discussion. It's the refuge of a fool that has no valid argument. I wish Horatio was here, he could tell me the name of that argument technique where you take the comment to ridiculous ends were never suggested. You know what is great about people that put I'm with Her bumper stickers on their cars and wear Hats to protests? None of us deny the point we are making. Unlike some chicken shits I know Same question I asked Weltz: If this hat is, as you allege, a racist symbol no different than a KKK hood, why aren't Mr. Sandmann and his classmates all wearing white hoods? It's a symbol with clear history behind it. It strikes fear into people. It doesn't rely on your and Weltz' fever dreams say-so for anyone to know it's racist. Why aren't they employing it? Why is nobody employing it?
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Post by tallguy on Mar 14, 2019 20:50:06 GMT -5
Before that, it was "I don't like black people counting my money" and before that, it was the attempt to keep black people out of Trump buildings. So, yeah...a MAGA hat means you're fine with it. Might as well wear the pointy white hood. Yes sir. Wearing a hat to show support for a president with alleged vague prejudices, and wearing a hood proudly declaring membership in an organization dedicated to the murder of innocent people: exactly the same thing. Beam. me. up. You are so far asea in your progressive mysticism, they've declared you lost at sea and given your spouses their pensions. Dare I ask why these racists proudly sporting their racist red hats don't actually wear white hoods? Does the prog-o-dex have an answer for that one? Because not even Trump supporters are stupid enough to miss THAT connection?
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 14, 2019 20:50:45 GMT -5
Before that, it was "I don't like black people counting my money" and before that, it was the attempt to keep black people out of Trump buildings. So, yeah...a MAGA hat means you're fine with it. Might as well wear the pointy white hood. Yes sir. Wearing a hat to show support for a president with alleged vague prejudices, and wearing a hood proudly declaring membership in an organization dedicated to the murder of innocent people: exactly the same thing. Beam. me. up. You are so far asea in your progressive mysticism, they've declared you lost at sea and given your spouses their pensions. Dare I ask why these racists proudly sporting their racist red hats don't actually wear white hoods? Does the prog-o-dex have an answer for that one? Because a large percentage of American citizens are proudly sporting those racist caps. There's safety in numbers. How many people wander around wearing white hoods?
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 14, 2019 20:53:50 GMT -5
No need for another long-winded diatribe, dear Virgil. We get it. You're fine with hats supporting an ignorant racist. Well, to each his own.
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