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Post by swamp on Mar 10, 2019 12:49:33 GMT -5
Even if WaPo was wrong, what are the kid's damages? He has to prove some kind of immediate harm. Was he kicked out of school? College acceptance rescinded? Job denied? I have no idea. Well half the Liberal world calls him an entitled little "prick" so? how has that damaged him, since the conservatives think the liberal world consists of people at home waiting for the government to hand them things. Certainly they don't have any power over this kids life if they are all freeloaders.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 10, 2019 13:58:06 GMT -5
neither does yours. nevertheless, i feel pretty confident in what i said. i didn't leave much room for arguing, imo. but if you feel otherwise, please bring it. **i did have to change the last one. everybody keeps MOST of what they earn.
we will need to agree to disagree. I still contend the comments on this board prove my phrasing that's an oxymoron. there is either disagreement or agreement.
we disagree.
the whole point of argument is to work through that.
allowing an argument to die on the vine defeats the entire purpose of being here.
I will never, EVER do that, ed.
if you want to die on your hill, go right ahead, but know this:
I would never say anything you said, and I am as liberal a fellow as you are likely to meet.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 10, 2019 13:59:44 GMT -5
You ever been to Sweden, Norway, Denmark? I have, Those Socialist Democratic countries are full of thriving private busisnesses. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. been to Sweden and Norway on business not very impressed. you don't need to be impressed.
but you know that Nokia is from that region, right?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 10, 2019 19:41:56 GMT -5
we will need to agree to disagree. I still contend the comments on this board prove my phrasing that's an oxymoron. there is either disagreement or agreement.
we disagree.
the whole point of argument is to work through that.
allowing an argument to die on the vine defeats the entire purpose of being here.
I will never, EVER do that, ed.
if you want to die on your hill, go right ahead, but know this:
I would never say anything you said, and I am as liberal a fellow as you are likely to meet.
"Let's agree to disagree" (not an oxymoron) is the short form of "I'm aborting our debate at this time despite our outstanding disagreement, either because we're off-topic, we're arguing in circles, we've reached a fundamental impasse, we lack facts/knowledge reasonably needed to continue, the debate is clearly upsetting at least one of us, we've had the same debate elsewhere, you're arguing in bad faith, your arguments are poorly constructed and unworthy of rebuttal, continuing would require more time and effort than the debate is worth, continuing would require more time and effort than I'm able to give, continuing would require me to argue something you (or other contributors) would take grave exception to, or I otherwise deem it imprudent, inappropriate, unwise, or pointless to continue. "You can, of course, continue to present your case. I may reassess my position if circumstances change or new information becomes available. Presently, however, and into the indefinite future, I'm disinclined to continue our debate on this topic. "Yours Truly, ednkris" The meaning is slightly different if it's followed by or or but we'll cover these variants in a future tutorial.
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 10, 2019 19:54:57 GMT -5
Virgil as usual telling it like it is!
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Post by laterbloomer on Mar 10, 2019 20:07:20 GMT -5
I will bet you $100 that it won't cost them anything (other than the time and energy to defend themselves).
anyone can sue anyone in this country. winning is another thing altogether.
and winning this KIND of case is extremely difficult.
The newspaper is broadly protected by the 1st amendment... the MAGA prick has to show that WaPo made factually false statements about his behavior. His family willwaste thousands of $$ on legal fees and make themselves look even more ridiculous than they already do. You think his family is paying for this? I don't think so.
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Post by laterbloomer on Mar 10, 2019 20:12:57 GMT -5
Even if WaPo was wrong, what are the kid's damages? He has to prove some kind of immediate harm. Was he kicked out of school? College acceptance rescinded? Job denied? I have no idea. Well half the Liberal world calls him an entitled little "prick" I'm pretty sure that started before this incident/ Seriously the best description of this situation that I've heard is that it was a whole bunch of idiots getting together. Nobody comes out looking good. Unless the boys are completely and totally clueless they know the message they were sending wearing the hats and many of their comments. The black guys that were shouting at them were demonstrating specifically to make a fuss. And the Native Americans were making a point that they weren't going to back down to these children. There are no good guys in this story.
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 10, 2019 20:13:25 GMT -5
He is going to be a really Rich Pompous, Snarky, White, Elite, Young Man! Woooooo Hoooooo MAGA wins again!!
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 10, 2019 20:18:55 GMT -5
Well half the Liberal world calls him an entitled little "prick" I'm pretty sure that started before this incident/ Seriously the best description of this situation that I've heard is that it was a whole bunch of idiots getting together. Nobody comes out looking good. Unless the boys are completely and totally clueless they know the message they were sending wearing the hats and many of their comments. The black guys that were shouting at them were demonstrating specifically to make a fuss. And the Native Americans were making a point that they weren't going to back down to these children. There are no good guys in this story. Ok, what were the White kids supposed to do, When some one was shouting racial slurs at them,, move away?? When the "Native American" work their way into the group of young white boys,, beating their drum,, were they suppose to run away hide until their bus shows up?? Who was the one looking for trouble here?
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 10, 2019 20:19:59 GMT -5
The newspaper is broadly protected by the 1st amendment... the MAGA prick has to show that WaPo made factually false statements about his behavior. His family willwaste thousands of $$ on legal fees and make themselves look even more ridiculous than they already do. You think his family is paying for this? I don't think so. No, I’m sure there is no shortage of conservative bigots willing to shell out their money on this little prick’s frivolous lawsuit
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Post by laterbloomer on Mar 10, 2019 20:24:18 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that started before this incident/ Seriously the best description of this situation that I've heard is that it was a whole bunch of idiots getting together. Nobody comes out looking good. Unless the boys are completely and totally clueless they know the message they were sending wearing the hats and many of their comments. The black guys that were shouting at them were demonstrating specifically to make a fuss. And the Native Americans were making a point that they weren't going to back down to these children. There are no good guys in this story. Ok, what were the White kids supposed to do, When some one was shouting racial slurs at them,, move away?? When the "Native American" work their way into the group of young white boys,, beating their drum,, were they suppose to run away hide until their bus shows up?? Who was the one looking for trouble here?
Yes, yes and they were looking for trouble. First they could have not been there in the first place. The Native Americans were doing their demonstration there at that time. Not for a second do I believe that gathering place was randomly chosen. They also could have left when the Hebrew guys started acting up. And finally he could have moved aside when the Drummer came up to him. They were not innocent children overwhelmed by the adults. They were making the point that they are tougher.
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 10, 2019 20:28:04 GMT -5
Ok, what were the White kids supposed to do, When some one was shouting racial slurs at them,, move away?? When the "Native American" work their way into the group of young white boys,, beating their drum,, were they suppose to run away hide until their bus shows up?? Who was the one looking for trouble here?
Yes, yes and they were looking for trouble. First they could have not been there in the first place. The Native Americans were doing their demonstration there at that time. Not for a second do I believe that gathering place was randomly chosen. They also could have left when the Hebrew guys started acting up. And finally he could have moved aside when the Drummer came up to him. They were not innocent children overwhelmed by the adults. They were making the point that they are tougher. You need to view the video that show what happened, not the edited ones.
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Post by ednkris on Mar 10, 2019 20:29:47 GMT -5
been to Sweden and Norway on business not very impressed. you don't need to be impressed.
but you know that Nokia is from that region, right?
No I never looked them up. In 98 I went to a conference on electric cars I was working for a battery manufacturer in r&d. They were trying to decide if they wanted to jump in on the "new" thing electric cars.
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Post by laterbloomer on Mar 10, 2019 20:37:01 GMT -5
Yes, yes and they were looking for trouble. First they could have not been there in the first place. The Native Americans were doing their demonstration there at that time. Not for a second do I believe that gathering place was randomly chosen. They also could have left when the Hebrew guys started acting up. And finally he could have moved aside when the Drummer came up to him. They were not innocent children overwhelmed by the adults. They were making the point that they are tougher. You need to view the video that show what happened, not the edited ones. I have. You need to rewatch it and see where those kids could have avoided the whole mess. I repeat, no one in that situation looks good. The kids might not even be the worst. But they aren't innocent little kids singing kumbayah.
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 10, 2019 20:43:29 GMT -5
They were singing the school fight song!
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 10, 2019 20:46:48 GMT -5
And singing the school song is some how like shouting racial slurs?? Really??
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 10, 2019 20:51:09 GMT -5
Ok, what were the White kids supposed to do, When some one was shouting racial slurs at them,, move away?? When the "Native American" work their way into the group of young white boys,, beating their drum,, were they suppose to run away hide until their bus shows up?? Who was the one looking for trouble here?
Yes, yes and they were looking for trouble. First they could have not been there in the first place. The Native Americans were doing their demonstration there at that time. Not for a second do I believe that gathering place was randomly chosen. They also could have left when the Hebrew guys started acting up. And finally he could have moved aside when the Drummer came up to him. They were not innocent children overwhelmed by the adults. They were making the point that they are tougher. Why are you blaming them when the old guy went up to them and started banging a drum a foot away? Why should they have to leave? If the kid in the hat was a woman and then old guy banged his drum at her, would you still blame her? And what about how the old guy completely fabricated what happened? I saw the full video, the kid did not lie about what happened. But old, miserable assholes can’t stand him because he is a conservative kid. There is zero wrong with that hat. If I was a person that wore hats, I would wear one.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 10, 2019 20:52:13 GMT -5
You need to view the video that show what happened, not the edited ones. I have. You need to rewatch it and see where those kids could have avoided the whole mess. I repeat, no one in that situation looks good. The kids might not even be the worst. But they aren't innocent little kids singing kumbayah. Bull. They never moved. The old guy went up to them. There was zero reason for it.
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Post by laterbloomer on Mar 10, 2019 21:06:12 GMT -5
And you will do so as a challenge to the people that know you are making a statement. Pretending you aren't is bullshit. And pretending they weren't making a point is bullshit. The Native American should not have gone up to them, the Hebrew guys should not have shouted at them, and they shouldn't have been there.
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 10, 2019 21:08:19 GMT -5
I have. You need to rewatch it and see where those kids could have avoided the whole mess. I repeat, no one in that situation looks good. The kids might not even be the worst. But they aren't innocent little kids singing kumbayah. Bull. They never moved. The old guy went up to them. There was zero reason for it. Not quite true. The "old guy" had a permit to demonstrate in that area. The kids didn't. Neither, as far as I can learn, did the religious group.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 10, 2019 21:10:27 GMT -5
you don't need to be impressed.
but you know that Nokia is from that region, right?
No I never looked them up. In 98 I went to a conference on electric cars I was working for a battery manufacturer in r&d. They were trying to decide if they wanted to jump in on the "new" thing electric cars. You stated that socialistic countries wanted to get rid of private busisnesses
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 10, 2019 22:02:40 GMT -5
And you will do so as a challenge to the people that know you are making a statement. Pretending you aren't is bullshit. And pretending they weren't making a point is bullshit. The Native American should not have gone up to them, the Hebrew guys should not have shouted at them, and they shouldn't have been there.OK I will bite,, Why they shouldn't have been there?
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 10, 2019 22:08:03 GMT -5
Bull. They never moved. The old guy went up to them. There was zero reason for it. Not quite true. The "old guy" had a permit to demonstrate in that area. The kids didn't. Neither, as far as I can learn, did the religious group. in Washington on Jan. 18 to attend an anti-abortion March for Life rally, were waiting for their bus!
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 10, 2019 22:38:24 GMT -5
you don't need to be impressed.
but you know that Nokia is from that region, right?
No I never looked them up. In 98 I went to a conference on electric cars I was working for a battery manufacturer in r&d. They were trying to decide if they wanted to jump in on the "new" thing electric cars. beat the US by 10 years, then?
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 10, 2019 22:40:01 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that started before this incident/ Seriously the best description of this situation that I've heard is that it was a whole bunch of idiots getting together. Nobody comes out looking good. Unless the boys are completely and totally clueless they know the message they were sending wearing the hats and many of their comments. The black guys that were shouting at them were demonstrating specifically to make a fuss. And the Native Americans were making a point that they weren't going to back down to these children. There are no good guys in this story. Ok, what were the White kids supposed to do, When some one was shouting racial slurs at them,, move away??
same thing that a black person is supposed to do: keep your cool, and don't escalate the situation.
protest 101
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 10, 2019 23:53:30 GMT -5
You need to view the video that show what happened, not the edited ones. I have. You need to rewatch it and see where those kids could have avoided the whole mess. I repeat, no one in that situation looks good. The kids might not even be the worst. But they aren't innocent little kids singing kumbayah. The kid who said "It's not rape if you enjoy it" should have had his mouth washed out with soap and have some adultplaining done to him.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 11, 2019 8:09:44 GMT -5
You need to view the video that show what happened, not the edited ones. I have. You need to rewatch it and see where those kids could have avoided the whole mess. I repeat, no one in that situation looks good. The kids might not even be the worst. But they aren't innocent little kids singing kumbayah. Weren't you one of the ones praising the tot armies marching in the street last year? Or did that happen before you got back? Either way, perhaps we can all agree that tot armies and tot activism in general is more trouble than it's worth.
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Post by laterbloomer on Mar 11, 2019 8:36:10 GMT -5
And you will do so as a challenge to the people that know you are making a statement. Pretending you aren't is bullshit. And pretending they weren't making a point is bullshit. The Native American should not have gone up to them, the Hebrew guys should not have shouted at them, and they shouldn't have been there.OK I will bite,, Why they shouldn't have been there? Because there was a Native American demonstration going on and their presence was a huge provocation, they ensured that by wearing the hats. They did not need to wait for their bus right there.
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Post by laterbloomer on Mar 11, 2019 8:38:51 GMT -5
I have. You need to rewatch it and see where those kids could have avoided the whole mess. I repeat, no one in that situation looks good. The kids might not even be the worst. But they aren't innocent little kids singing kumbayah. Weren't you one of the ones praising the tot armies marching in the street last year? Or did that happen before you got back? Either way, perhaps we can all agree that tot armies and tot activism in general is more trouble than it's worth.
Before I got back. I don' think I've ever supported tot armies but I'm not totally sure what you mean by that. I have nothing against youth protesting, like the Florida kids. Or even these young men. Just own up to the fact that is what you were doing. I still won't agree with them, but I will have a hell of a lot more respect.
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