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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 15, 2019 20:34:34 GMT -5
A Growing American Crisis: Who Will Care for the Baby Boomers?Every day since her husband broke his hip, Beatrice Egger has been afraid. The 91-year-old retired teacher worries when William, 90, a retired principal, is in the shower. She worries when she is helping him get dressed and he unsteadily towers over her. And she worries when he moves from sitting to standing or from room to room. When he falls, which inevitably happens, she can call upon aides at their Issaquah, Wash., retirement home to help get him back up. But they can’t help her all the time. So she stays scared. If they could afford it, Beatrice and William would hire a home care aide to help during the day. That would give Beatrice a safety net, a pair of younger stronger arms to steady William. They know they’re lucky that their pensions afforded them life in a retirement community, food and some level of care. But they live in fear that William’s next fall will prove fatal and, without his pension, Beatrice might not be able to afford her community; after a lifetime of middle-class jobs, she might be forced into Medicaid. Beatrice is one of 43 million unpaid caregivers in America, a number poised to spike as the Baby Boomers, who comprise most of the family caregivers now, join the ranks of the oldest old. “Family caregivers make up a silent support army — without them, health and social systems within our aging societies would be absolutely overwhelmed,” says Scott Williams, who oversees Embracing Carers, an international caregiving initiative for pharmaceutical company EMD Serono. The group conducted a survey of unpaid caregivers in 2017, which found that nearly half of family caregivers suffer from depression, and 45% did not have time to book or attend their own medical appointments as a result of their caregiving activities — thus putting caregivers at risk of falling ill and needing caregiving themselves. A 2002 Stanford University study found that 40% of Alzheimer’s and dementia caregivers actually die from stress-related disorders before the one for whom they are caring. Complete article here: A Growing American Crisis: Who Will Care for the Baby Boomers?
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 15, 2019 23:48:26 GMT -5
Who Will Care for the Baby Boomers?
Why, the Norwegians that Trump wants to import, of course!
(Trump will have to bring them in at gunpoint.)
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 16, 2019 9:57:11 GMT -5
Who Will Care for the Baby Boomers?Why, the Norwegians that Trump wants to import, of course! (Trump will have to bring them in at gunpoint.) The Norwegians will be of no use. Trump will use them to rake our forests.
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Post by busymom on Feb 16, 2019 10:57:08 GMT -5
The nursing home that my Mom was in hired quite a few Muslim immigrants. They did treat Mom quite well.
I'm concerned too, as there doesn't appear to be nearly enough facilities to take care of seniors. Although back in my home state, there is quite a building boom going on of assisted-living apartments, and Alzheimer's/dementia facilities.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 16, 2019 11:43:21 GMT -5
The lack of care of Baby Boomers in the very near future will be a true national emergency.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 16, 2019 11:44:46 GMT -5
The baby boomers can suck it. They are the worst generation.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 16, 2019 11:46:19 GMT -5
The baby boomers can suck it. They are the worst generation. You wouldn't be here if it weren't for Baby Boomers.
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Post by busymom on Feb 16, 2019 12:01:47 GMT -5
The baby boomers can suck it. They are the worst generation. Wow! Where did that come from? A lot of us weren't born with silver spoons in our mouths. In fact, there were a number of years I worked 2 jobs to get by, as I graduated from college during one of the worst recessions ever. What have you heard that's so awful about the boomers?
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 16, 2019 15:59:14 GMT -5
The baby boomers can suck it. They are the worst generation. You wouldn't be here if it weren't for Baby Boomers. My parents are not baby boomers. 😀
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 16, 2019 16:04:41 GMT -5
The baby boomers can suck it. They are the worst generation. Wow! Where did that come from? A lot of us weren't born with silver spoons in our mouths. In fact, there were a number of years I worked 2 jobs to get by, as I graduated from college during one of the worst recessions ever. What have you heard that's so awful about the boomers? I never said they were lazy. As a generation (not every individual) they ushered in the age of materialism, created the whole 80's big money, 60 hour work weeks, large consumer debts became okay, pollution - it all happened under the baby boomers reign. And now they spend all their time fussing at millenials because they want to use technology to a bring a little balance to their lives.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 16, 2019 16:27:29 GMT -5
You wouldn't be here if it weren't for Baby Boomers. My parents are not baby boomers. 😀 Grandparents? (Now I feel really old. )
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Post by Opti on Feb 16, 2019 16:41:39 GMT -5
Wow! Where did that come from? A lot of us weren't born with silver spoons in our mouths. In fact, there were a number of years I worked 2 jobs to get by, as I graduated from college during one of the worst recessions ever. What have you heard that's so awful about the boomers? I never said they were lazy. As a generation (not every individual) they ushered in the age of materialism, created the whole 80's big money, 60 hour work weeks, large consumer debts became okay, pollution - it all happened under the baby boomers reign. And now they spend all their time fussing at millenials because they want to use technology to a bring a little balance to their lives. I think that's a horrible generalization and largely incorrect. As a late baby boomer I didn't get to have a hand in any of that, and I think most of us, even the oldsters generally don't fuss that much at Millenials. I personally hate the generation crap so I don't further it in general. The boom in materialism had many roots and I think it was less about the generation than social forces happening while certain people are on the planet. IMO lot of it had roots in those returning from the War and the govt bennies for those that returned. It started a boom in housing and cars which was supported by the fact both housing and cars were becoming cheaper and more available due to advances in manufacturing. IMO no generation ever has a reign in power unless you go very far back when people didn't live very long. I have never lived in a world where the bosses were only from one generation, the politicians were only from one generation, those who create business trends were only from one generation ... you get the idea. Consumer debts became OK because someone created the first credit card, Diner's Club, and others jumped on the action. In order to sell the use of it, advertising promoted the idea that debt was OK. Pollution? That's existed for centuries in many places. You think industrial runoff and polluting the air started after Boomer's where born? Who wanted the age of greed? Advertisers. The roots of organic food and green and much of that started in the 70s if not earlier. It didn't gain traction or really popularity IMO until the 2000s and later IMO. Maybe you forget some of us were around for the birth of much of this technology. I'm going to fuss at you a bit. Technology was supposed to bring balance to my life as far back as the late 70s early 80s. Employers used it to remove balance.
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Post by Opti on Feb 16, 2019 16:44:23 GMT -5
My parents are not baby boomers. 😀 Grandparents? (Now I feel really old. ) Awww... I've found my sojourn in healthcare land useful for somethings, like seeing how different various families reproduce. Some people at 80 have relationships with their great grandchildren, and some folks who have their kids when they are 30 or older, might only have another generation to hang with.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 16, 2019 17:30:23 GMT -5
My parents are not baby boomers. 😀 Grandparents? (Now I feel really old. ) My parents are war babies. Actually, I guess technically pre-war babies, depending on if you need the US to be involved in the war to count. My family skipped the baby boomers.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 16, 2019 17:32:50 GMT -5
Grandparents? (Now I feel really old. ) My parents are war babies. Actually, I guess technically pre-war babies, depending on if you need the US to be involved in the war to count. Is it safe to assume WWII? Or Vietnam War? (I have no idea how old you might be.)
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 16, 2019 17:35:55 GMT -5
My parents are war babies. Actually, I guess technically pre-war babies, depending on if you need the US to be involved in the war to count. Is it safe to assume WWII? Or Vietnam War? (I have no idea how old you might be.) WW2. Babies born during the Vietnam War are Gen X (late 60's / early 70's). That's me!
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Post by NoNamePerson on Feb 16, 2019 17:51:11 GMT -5
I missed being a baby boomer by 3 years. I'm a non labeled person who will fuckin' take of myself! Every generation thinks the other generation sucks. And round and round it goes like a - never mind I was about to break out in song from The Thomas Crowne Affair - original movie. Never saw the retread!
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 16, 2019 17:52:29 GMT -5
Is it safe to assume WWII? Or Vietnam War? (I have no idea how old you might be.) WW2. Babies born during the Vietnam War are Gen X (late 60's / early 70's). That's me! I thought so (you were at least 20 years younger than me (me-born 1951).
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 16, 2019 18:19:24 GMT -5
I never said they were lazy. As a generation (not every individual) they ushered in the age of materialism, created the whole 80's big money, 60 hour work weeks, large consumer debts became okay, pollution - it all happened under the baby boomers reign. And now they spend all their time fussing at millenials because they want to use technology to a bring a little balance to their lives. I think that's a horrible generalization and largely incorrect. As a late baby boomer I didn't get to have a hand in any of that, and I think most of us, even the oldsters generally don't fuss that much at Millenials. I personally hate the generation crap so I don't further it in general. The boom in materialism had many roots and I think it was less about the generation than social forces happening while certain people are on the planet. IMO lot of it had roots in those returning from the War and the govt bennies for those that returned. It started a boom in housing and cars which was supported by the fact both housing and cars were becoming cheaper and more available due to advances in manufacturing. IMO no generation ever has a reign in power unless you go very far back when people didn't live very long. I have never lived in a world where the bosses were only from one generation, the politicians were only from one generation, those who create business trends were only from one generation ... you get the idea. Consumer debts became OK because someone created the first credit card, Diner's Club, and others jumped on the action. In order to sell the use of it, advertising promoted the idea that debt was OK. Pollution? That's existed for centuries in many places. You think industrial runoff and polluting the air started after Boomer's where born? Who wanted the age of greed? Advertisers. The roots of organic food and green and much of that started in the 70s if not earlier. It didn't gain traction or really popularity IMO until the 2000s and later IMO. Maybe you forget some of us were around for the birth of much of this technology. I'm going to fuss at you a bit. Technology was supposed to bring balance to my life as far back as the late 70s early 80s. Employers used it to remove balance. Typical boomer - deny, deflect, blame your parents, blame the establishment, etc. 😘
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Post by oped on Feb 16, 2019 18:19:55 GMT -5
We could warehouse them in empty malls...
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 16, 2019 18:38:03 GMT -5
We could warehouse them in empty malls... For Alzheimer's disease patients, at least it would be familiar surroundings.
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Post by bean29 on Feb 16, 2019 18:41:39 GMT -5
The baby boomers can suck it. They are the worst generation. I’m a Baby Boomer, born in 1964. What do you have against me?
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 16, 2019 19:32:41 GMT -5
I worry about two things - 1) the number of people who have no savings going into retirement, and 2) the increase in the number of people who end up with alzheimers and dementia, requiring round the clock care (probably because fewer people are dying at a younger age from heart attacks and cancers, which are a lot more treatable now than they were a few decades ago).
What will happen to people who have no savings? What will happen to my DH, if I get alzheimers and he spends down our savings nest egg to pay for assisted living for me? (Medicare pays nothing until you've spent down to $10,000).
We're on the cusp of a catastrophe, with older, poor Americans warehoused in subpar facilities, or unable to find care at all. I can't see any way out of it, unless we adopt the Soylent Green approach.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 16, 2019 21:07:33 GMT -5
Is it safe to assume WWII? Or Vietnam War? (I have no idea how old you might be.) WW2. Babies born during the Vietnam War are Gen X (late 60's / early 70's). That's me! Doesn't that make you a baby boomer? 1946-1964 ......or were you born during the war?
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Post by cronewitch on Feb 17, 2019 0:30:00 GMT -5
The rich will pay for care at home or assisted living. Medicaid will warehouse the poor with labor that is as cheap as they can find. Some people may choose to move to other countries like India that have cheaper care.
I am saving my last million for my end of life care and plan to stay in my home as long as I can. Some will die without care at all or with family and friends. My uncle was in need of care and his wife disabled so my mom stayed with them for months at a time to help him. Visiting nurse bathed him and friends and family dropped off meals everyday for years. They had a huge group of friends, she had to send him to a nursing home when mom was too old to keep helping she was in her 80s and hurt. Aunt is 90 now and still home, using a walker. DIL does housework and makes food.
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Post by steff on Feb 17, 2019 0:39:15 GMT -5
WW2. Babies born during the Vietnam War are Gen X (late 60's / early 70's). That's me! Doesn't that make you a baby boomer? 1946-1964 ......or were you born during the war? My husband is considered a baby boomer (b. 1964). I'm a Gen X (1968). And my kiddo is a Millenial. We made sure to cover all the bases. lol
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Post by Opti on Feb 17, 2019 7:54:28 GMT -5
I think that's a horrible generalization and largely incorrect. As a late baby boomer I didn't get to have a hand in any of that, and I think most of us, even the oldsters generally don't fuss that much at Millenials. I personally hate the generation crap so I don't further it in general. The boom in materialism had many roots and I think it was less about the generation than social forces happening while certain people are on the planet. IMO lot of it had roots in those returning from the War and the govt bennies for those that returned. It started a boom in housing and cars which was supported by the fact both housing and cars were becoming cheaper and more available due to advances in manufacturing. IMO no generation ever has a reign in power unless you go very far back when people didn't live very long. I have never lived in a world where the bosses were only from one generation, the politicians were only from one generation, those who create business trends were only from one generation ... you get the idea. Consumer debts became OK because someone created the first credit card, Diner's Club, and others jumped on the action. In order to sell the use of it, advertising promoted the idea that debt was OK. Pollution? That's existed for centuries in many places. You think industrial runoff and polluting the air started after Boomer's where born? Who wanted the age of greed? Advertisers. The roots of organic food and green and much of that started in the 70s if not earlier. It didn't gain traction or really popularity IMO until the 2000s and later IMO. Maybe you forget some of us were around for the birth of much of this technology. I'm going to fuss at you a bit. Technology was supposed to bring balance to my life as far back as the late 70s early 80s. Employers used it to remove balance. Typical boomer - deny, deflect, blame your parents, blame the establishment, etc. 😘 I think you are the blamer, not me. I try to understand where things come from and I'm not into generational blaming like some. The Diner's Club was created in 1950 when the oldest Boomer was 4 years old.
When I was thinking of this comment you wrote- And now they spend all their time fussing at millenials because they want to use technology to a bring a little balance to their lives.
It seemed to me it was something from your personal life that you'd rather blame on an entire generation instead of whoever the people you are mad at.
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Post by Opti on Feb 17, 2019 7:58:36 GMT -5
I missed being a baby boomer by 3 years. I'm a non labeled person who will fuckin' take of myself! Every generation thinks the other generation sucks. And round and round it goes like a - never mind I was about to break out in song from The Thomas Crowne Affair - original movie. Never saw the retread! I know its a winky, but I really don't think much about generations unless some poster goes off whining or praising one.
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Post by Opti on Feb 17, 2019 8:07:27 GMT -5
I would love to know what this means to you Thyme- millenials because they want to use technology to a bring a little balance to their lives
I'm of the opinion that while individuals can and do use technology for balance, most do not, unless you go back to the age of the washing machine and things like that. Since the advent of cellphones, personal computers, and gaming consoles there are far more people who use those things like addicts than they do for balancing something prior to when those things existed. And that IMO is not dependent on age, just wiring.
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