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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 10:03:13 GMT -5
I have seen a lovely picture of the US/Canada border in Minnesota. as far as the eye can see there is a lovely firebreak. no fence. These caravans moving up from central America need to be made aware of this. Think of the cost efficiency of just lining up the buses, loading them, and dropping off at the northern border. I'd be willing to throw in a meal or two on the way up. We can feel good helping them get to a better place, win win. Think of all the people handling problems it would eliminate. We would be leaving them at heavens door, as Canada's government will progressively care for all of them. No need for them to jump all the hurdles needed to get into this country. They avoid all negativity of a 'no immigration' administration.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 10:05:23 GMT -5
Lol, you need to post the whole thing, not cherry pick parts of it. There's a recent follow up decision by the Supreme Court regarding individual right also. is it your opinion that the recent SCOTUS decision overrides the 2nd Amendment? Affirms the individual right.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 18, 2019 10:17:15 GMT -5
Family, friends, churches/charities. And (GASP!) those same families and friends let these illegal immigrants live with them. Geeez-is it even possible you could be less informed? So they're criminals also for harboring foreign nationals. Less informed indeed. Yes you are ill informed. Indeed. Have you ever gone one MPH over the speed limit? Illegal.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 10:19:01 GMT -5
So they're criminals also for harboring foreign nationals. Less informed indeed. Yes you are ill informed. Indeed. Have you ever gone one MPH over the speed limit? Illegal. Deflection, lol.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 18, 2019 10:20:41 GMT -5
Yes you are ill informed. Indeed. Have you ever gone one MPH over the speed limit? Illegal. Deflection, lol. You are trying to define something illegal. I gave you an example of something illegal. No deflection. lol.
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Post by tallguy on Feb 18, 2019 10:22:29 GMT -5
is it your opinion that the recent SCOTUS decision overrides the 2nd Amendment? Affirms the individual right. No, CREATED an individual right would be more correct. It never existed previously, and language favoring an individual right was debated and rejected during the writing of the Second Amendment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 10:23:40 GMT -5
You are trying to define something illegal. I gave you an example of something illegal. No deflection. lol. I have no need to define illegal alien. It's a fact. More deflection, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 10:24:37 GMT -5
Affirms the individual right. No, CREATED an individual right would be more correct. It never existed previously, and language favoring an individual right was debated and rejected during the writing of the Second Amendment. You were there, or more far left sources ?
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Post by tallguy on Feb 18, 2019 10:25:01 GMT -5
You really are clueless, aren't you?
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 18, 2019 10:26:00 GMT -5
X is clueless.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 10:28:23 GMT -5
You really are clueless, aren't you? Our sources are different. We'll never agree.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 10:29:38 GMT -5
I already simplified as much as possible. What more do you want ?
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Post by tallguy on Feb 18, 2019 10:38:24 GMT -5
You really are clueless, aren't you? Our sources are different. We'll never agree. Perhaps, but I would suggest that you use some that report facts rather than push an agenda.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 18, 2019 18:01:59 GMT -5
No, CREATED an individual right would be more correct. It never existed previously, and language favoring an individual right was debated and rejected during the writing of the Second Amendment. You were there, or more far left sources ? the correspondence between Jefferson and Madison makes it abundantly clear what the intended meaning is.
unfortunately, nobody really cares about that anymore. they only care about their agenda.
I am not sure that Jefferson and Madison could be described as "left wing". liberal certainly.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 18, 2019 18:02:59 GMT -5
is it your opinion that the recent SCOTUS decision overrides the 2nd Amendment? Affirms the individual right. the second amendment contains no individual right, only a collective right.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 18, 2019 18:03:59 GMT -5
I have seen a lovely picture of the US/Canada border in Minnesota. as far as the eye can see there is a lovely firebreak. no fence. These caravans moving up from central America need to be made aware of this. there is plenty of fenceless border to the South, as well. almost all of it, really.
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 18, 2019 19:01:28 GMT -5
I have seen a lovely picture of the US/Canada border in Minnesota. as far as the eye can see there is a lovely firebreak. no fence. These caravans moving up from central America need to be made aware of this. Think of the cost efficiency of just lining up the buses, loading them, and dropping off at the northern border. I'd be willing to throw in a meal or two on the way up. We can feel good helping them get to a better place, win win. Think of all the people handling problems it would eliminate. We would be leaving them at heavens door, as Canada's government will progressively care for all of them. No need for them to jump all the hurdles needed to get into this country. They avoid all negativity of a 'no immigration' administration. I now happened to think, with ( as reported here) most coming in airplanes, Why don't they go to Canada , with no trouble, instead of going to all that trouble with overstaying in the U.S.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 18, 2019 19:07:34 GMT -5
These caravans moving up from central America need to be made aware of this. Think of the cost efficiency of just lining up the buses, loading them, and dropping off at the northern border. I'd be willing to throw in a meal or two on the way up. We can feel good helping them get to a better place, win win. Think of all the people handling problems it would eliminate. We would be leaving them at heavens door, as Canada's government will progressively care for all of them. No need for them to jump all the hurdles needed to get into this country. They avoid all negativity of a 'no immigration' administration. I now happened to think, with ( as reported here) most coming in airplanes, Why don't they go to Canada , with no trouble, instead of going to all that trouble with overstaying in the U.S. I can fly to Costa Rica for about $400. it costs 2x that much to fly to Vancouver, even though it is less than half the distance.
no, I don't know why. probably has something to do with traffic. aka "who wants to go to Vancouver?"
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Post by tallguy on Feb 18, 2019 19:18:23 GMT -5
No, CREATED an individual right would be more correct. It never existed previously, and language favoring an individual right was debated and rejected during the writing of the Second Amendment.You were there, or more far left sources ? My immediate source is Justice Stevens dissent in Heller, though there are many others as dj has noted: And later: So, what do you got?
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 18, 2019 19:24:08 GMT -5
as you know, I am a huge fan of this discussion, tallguy. I find it very revealing both in terms of "gun rights" and in terms of "standing armies", which, after an entire century of having them, are not even a subject of debate any more (but, imo, on 2nd Amendment grounds, should be). this should be a central study in HS history classes, imo. nobody should be uneducated about this subject. but ime, less than 1% of adults in America know this history, and understand it.
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 18, 2019 19:26:25 GMT -5
Been to Vancouver, It was nice,, A little pricey but very nice, Here is a little story about Vancouver, Book a room at a nice hotel, which had a fantastic view of the harbor, or so it advertised, The room for one night was $400. Except when I threw the curtains back,,, here is a huge crane's boom sitting like 20' away and directly in front of my harbor view!!! I complained, But it was for nothing, the only thing I will say is I had spent thousand of $ staying at their hotels,, I never stay there again,, They never missed me.
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Post by tallguy on Feb 18, 2019 19:28:58 GMT -5
as you know, I am a huge fan of this discussion, tallguy . I find it very revealing both in terms of "gun rights" and in terms of "standing armies", which, after an entire century of having them, are not even a subject of debate any more (but, imo, on 2nd Amendment grounds, should be). this should be a central study in HS history classes, imo. nobody should be uneducated about this subject. but ime, less than 1% of adults in America know this history, and understand it.I'd guess the number a little higher on this board because we have discussed it here several times. Unfortunately, none of those seem to be from the pro-gun crowd. Sad.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 10:58:14 GMT -5
Our sources are different. We'll never agree. Perhaps, but I would suggest that you use some that report facts rather than push an agenda. Ditto.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 11:11:13 GMT -5
These caravans moving up from central America need to be made aware of this. Think of the cost efficiency of just lining up the buses, loading them, and dropping off at the northern border. I'd be willing to throw in a meal or two on the way up. We can feel good helping them get to a better place, win win. Think of all the people handling problems it would eliminate. We would be leaving them at heavens door, as Canada's government will progressively care for all of them. No need for them to jump all the hurdles needed to get into this country. They avoid all negativity of a 'no immigration' administration. I now happened to think, with ( as reported here) most coming in airplanes, Why don't they go to Canada , with no trouble, instead of going to all that trouble with overstaying in the U.S. Why jump through the hoops of coming to the US, with the anti immigration administration in place. It would be so much more cost effective to just continue them on the northward journey to Canada. I understand it's a much better place, with all amenities supplied by the government. Free medical care, no mass shootings. What more could you want? We can be like the good people of Mexico and just move them through the country and right out through the northern border. Win win for all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 11:13:11 GMT -5
You were there, or more far left sources ? My immediate source is Justice Stevens dissent in Heller, though there are many others as dj has noted: And later: So, what do you got? The assent side.
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Post by tallguy on Feb 19, 2019 12:16:14 GMT -5
My immediate source is Justice Stevens dissent in Heller, though there are many others as dj has noted: And later: So, what do you got? The assent side. Does that in any way dispute that language specifically asserting an individual right existed in some of the state constitutions as I said, and was not included in the writing of the Second Amendment, as I also said?
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Post by spartyparty on Feb 19, 2019 13:39:11 GMT -5
Instead of making US employers into second step criminals when they hire illegals who more often than not, show up with excellent paper. all most companies need to do is use "e-verify". why this is not a federal REQUIREMENT for hiring is a really good question.
i would like Trump to answer it.
It's 2019...why can't we get an email/text that requires us to verify our identity anytime someone tries to use our SS # for employment purposes or when it used for applying for credit?
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Post by dondub on Feb 19, 2019 13:41:54 GMT -5
Lol, you need to post the whole thing, not cherry pick parts of it.
Ok.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Which well-regulated militia do you belong to x = ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 14:01:31 GMT -5
That's why you need to use more moderate sources, instead of the far left wing sources I am always curious on what individuals see as "far" left (or right) and which sources are "moderate". Me too. I also wonder how many people feel that their position is in the middle, when it's not. I mostly view big changes as not in the middle, regardless of the left/right.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 14:04:17 GMT -5
Does that in any way dispute that language specifically asserting an individual right existed in some of the state constitutions as I said, and was not included in the writing of the Second Amendment, as I also said? Not relevant after Heller. I have no interest in who 'wins' this discussion. I'll digress after this post. It's really off topic.
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