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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 8:43:34 GMT -5
Instead of making US employers into second step criminals when they hire illegals who more often than not, show up with excellent paper. all most companies need to do is use "e-verify". why this is not a federal REQUIREMENT for hiring is a really good question.
i would like Trump to answer it.
So would I
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 8:45:21 GMT -5
Then what is the reasoning for sanctuary cities ? it allows "illegals" protection against deportation in cases where crimes are perpetrated against them. this is particularly important in the prosecution of gang related crimes. Trump makes a big deal about going after MS-13. MS-13 primarily works through intermediaries that are family or nationals of Guatemala. if they are to gather enough evidence to bring them down, that is NOT going to happen if the witnesses are threatened with deportation. which is precisely WHY the gang continues to grow in the US.
it has absolutely NOTHING to do with jobs.
Why would illegals need protection against deportation. They can't have crimes perpetrated against them if they are not here in the first place. Where do they get money to live in sanctuary cities if it's not about jobs ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 8:53:04 GMT -5
Then what is the reasoning for sanctuary cities ? As a disclaimer, I am on record here as saying that all persons here illegally should be deported. I still support sanctuary city legislation. A couple of months ago I copied a post from the previous December to make the argument anew. I will do so again here: There are competing priorities at play, and going after otherwise law-abiding illegals in such ways is a poor use of limited resources. For those who are against sanctuary cities, at least educate yourselves as to what sanctuary cities even are. You cannot depend on right-wing sources to explain it to you. But do I need posters to tell me what my sources are, when they can't possibly know this ? Up to the last line, I actually was going to answer on topic about this. Now all I can say is you can't depend on left wing sources to explain it to you.
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Post by oped on Feb 17, 2019 8:53:11 GMT -5
Well fucking regulated...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 9:02:29 GMT -5
Well fucking regulated... Lol, you need to post the whole thing, not cherry pick parts of it. There's a recent follow up decision by the Supreme Court regarding individual right also.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 17, 2019 10:32:57 GMT -5
it allows "illegals" protection against deportation in cases where crimes are perpetrated against them. this is particularly important in the prosecution of gang related crimes. Trump makes a big deal about going after MS-13. MS-13 primarily works through intermediaries that are family or nationals of Guatemala. if they are to gather enough evidence to bring them down, that is NOT going to happen if the witnesses are threatened with deportation. which is precisely WHY the gang continues to grow in the US.
it has absolutely NOTHING to do with jobs.
Why would illegals need protection against deportation. They can't have crimes perpetrated against them if they are not here in the first place. Where do they get money to live in sanctuary cities if it's not about jobs ? Family, friends, churches/charities. And (GASP!) those same families and friends let these illegal immigrants live with them. Geeez-is it even possible you could be less informed?
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Post by laterbloomer on Feb 17, 2019 11:05:21 GMT -5
Why would illegals need protection against deportation. They can't have crimes perpetrated against them if they are not here in the first place. Where do they get money to live in sanctuary cities if it's not about jobs ? Family, friends, churches/charities. And (GASP!) those same families and friends let these illegal immigrants live with them. Geeez-is it even possible you could be less informed? Don't do that, you know most of the undocumented have jobs. It's well publicized that they are hired as domestics and handy men. And that's just the two that are well publicized. ETA - I forgot to mention how many work for Trump's companies!!! How could I forget that?
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Post by tallguy on Feb 17, 2019 12:19:40 GMT -5
As a disclaimer, I am on record here as saying that all persons here illegally should be deported. I still support sanctuary city legislation. A couple of months ago I copied a post from the previous December to make the argument anew. I will do so again here: There are competing priorities at play, and going after otherwise law-abiding illegals in such ways is a poor use of limited resources. For those who are against sanctuary cities, at least educate yourselves as to what sanctuary cities even are. You cannot depend on right-wing sources to explain it to you. But do I need posters to tell me what my sources are, when they can't possibly know this ? Up to the last line, I actually was going to answer on topic about this. Now all I can say is you can't depend on left wing sources to explain it to you. That's why I'm here, because neither extreme can be depended on for truth and accuracy.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 17, 2019 13:04:09 GMT -5
it allows "illegals" protection against deportation in cases where crimes are perpetrated against them. this is particularly important in the prosecution of gang related crimes. Trump makes a big deal about going after MS-13. MS-13 primarily works through intermediaries that are family or nationals of Guatemala. if they are to gather enough evidence to bring them down, that is NOT going to happen if the witnesses are threatened with deportation. which is precisely WHY the gang continues to grow in the US.
it has absolutely NOTHING to do with jobs.
Why would illegals need protection against deportation. They can't have crimes perpetrated against them if they are not here in the first place. Where do they get money to live in sanctuary cities if it's not about jobs ?the same way they get money to live in NON-sanctuary cities.
again, these are unrelated things.
I still don't understand why you think otherwise. and you didn't explain it, here.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 17, 2019 13:05:58 GMT -5
Well fucking regulated... Lol, you need to post the whole thing, not cherry pick parts of it. There's a recent follow up decision by the Supreme Court regarding individual right also. is it your opinion that the recent SCOTUS decision overrides the 2nd Amendment?
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Post by swamp on Feb 17, 2019 15:53:51 GMT -5
My German boss told me how easy it would be for him to drop off the grid if he wanted to. The system is so overloaded they rely on people self reporting. All he'd have to do is not report to the office at his new address and as long as he doesn't break the law could stay here illegally forever.
How does a wall fix that?
Not sure that it needs fixing - 'boss' with no criminal record indicates a successful contributor to our society, ie, one that we want to keep. The problem statement could be changed to 'we need to know the identity/status of the people that we are admitting' - rather than 'stop all immigrants'.
And to do that we need a series of many international border gates staffed by many inspectors. And they should be connected by a wall/fence to guide people to the border crossings. I've passed thru the USA/Canada border crossings 40 to 50 times - my passport is always checked and I always get a series of questions, sometimes a physical inspection of the car. The Euro crossings are similar - passports, fences, and border crossings.
There aren’t many fences. I’m looking at Canada and I’m sitting on my couch. No fence. I’ve been snowmobiling in British Columbia. We ended up In Washington state. No fence. I’ve been in a bar in that in both NY and Quebec. No fence. There is an Indian reservation that straddles the border. No fence.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 17, 2019 15:59:00 GMT -5
I have seen a lovely picture of the US/Canada border in Minnesota. as far as the eye can see there is a lovely firebreak.
no fence.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 17, 2019 16:08:05 GMT -5
No fence.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 17, 2019 16:11:52 GMT -5
I have seen a lovely picture of the US/Canada border in Minnesota. as far as the eye can see there is a lovely firebreak. no fence. I have a picture in my living room of me and my golden retriever hiking partner at a little monument at the border where the Pacific Crest Trail crosses it. No fence.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 17, 2019 16:39:32 GMT -5
if terrorism and drugs are a concern, my thinking is that Canada is just as much an issue (if not more) than Mexico.
#racism
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 17, 2019 16:49:38 GMT -5
if terrorism and drugs are a concern, my thinking is that Canada is just as much an issue (if not more) than Mexico. #racism Well, let Trump shut down the government again, so he can build a wall there. Mexico will pay for it!
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 17, 2019 16:51:57 GMT -5
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said Sunday that middle schoolers in Kentucky would be better off if funds that would otherwise have gone to constructing a new school were used for President Trump's proposed border wall. link On the other hand, middle schoolers in South Carolina ...
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 17, 2019 16:52:13 GMT -5
if terrorism and drugs are a concern, my thinking is that Canada is just as much an issue (if not more) than Mexico. #racism Well, let Trump shut down the government again, so he can build a wall there. Mexico will pay for it! We 'Mexicans' are getting tired of paying for trump's monuments to himself.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 17, 2019 16:57:21 GMT -5
The US-Canada border is about 4,000 miles, excluding Alaska. ...and it will have to be twice as high, because....snow. We'll ski right over it. It will be a monumentally expensive proposition. Good luck with that.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 17, 2019 17:12:10 GMT -5
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said Sunday that middle schoolers in Kentucky would be better off if funds that would otherwise have gone to constructing a new school were used for President Trump's proposed border wall. link On the other hand, middle schoolers in South Carolina ... Lindsey Graham is another one I won't miss when the current batch of old congresspeople / senators move along.
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Post by tbop77 on Feb 17, 2019 18:00:14 GMT -5
You mean the Lindsey Graham who said this in 2016? There is a certain irony to his words. Well, yes Senator Graham, you are, you are stamping all over the Constitution with him. Saying he thinks the Republican Party has been "conned," Graham told CNN Friday that he and Trump don't share the same beliefs. "I don't think he's a reliable Republican conservative," Graham said, just hours before former 2016 rival Jeb Bush also declared he would not vote for Trump. "I don't believe that Donald Trump has the temperament and judgment to be commander in chief. I think Donald Trump is going to places where very few people have gone and I'm not going with him."www.cnn.com/2016/05/06/politics/lindsey-graham-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-not-vote/index.html
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 17, 2019 19:34:54 GMT -5
If Obama had made a political statement Saying We need a wall,, All of us on Right would have been against it! All on the Left would be for it!
Please have the courtesy *not* to speak for me. I don't care who claims we need a wall. We don't. What we need is a clear and simple way to become a legal citizen. You may not know it you made my point. I could have told you that you would not want the wall, No different than this, I am sure you already know my position on different things. For what ever reason, which ever direction the herd goes, We follow, to a certain extent,,
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 17, 2019 19:44:06 GMT -5
Please have the courtesy *not* to speak for me. I don't care who claims we need a wall. We don't. What we need is a clear and simple way to become a legal citizen. You may not know it you made my point. I could have told you that you would not want the wall, No different than this, I am sure you already know my position on different things. For what ever reason, which ever direction the herd goes, We follow, to a certain extent,,
I have no problem with the wall, in the abstract sense. I already said that earlier:
legalize drugs, and put up a wall
you could use the tax revenue to pay for it be my guest
but it won't solve ANY of the problems that Trump SAYS he is trying to address.
#herdTHIS
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 17, 2019 21:40:52 GMT -5
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said Sunday that middle schoolers in Kentucky would be better off if funds that would otherwise have gone to constructing a new school were used for President Trump's proposed border wall. link On the other hand, middle schoolers in South Carolina ... I noticed Graham made no mention how the Kentucky students would be better off if the school building funds went into building a wall hundreds of miles away from where they attend school. Just another trump lickspittle who needs to go.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 17, 2019 22:25:31 GMT -5
The school would be serving the dependents of service members at Fort Campbell.
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Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said Sunday that middle schoolers in Kentucky would be better off if funds that would otherwise have gone to constructing a new school were used for President Trump's proposed border wall. link On the other hand, middle schoolers in South Carolina ... I noticed Graham made no mention how the Kentucky students would be better off if the school building funds went into building a wall hundreds of miles away from where they attend school. Just another trump lickspittle who needs to go. Graham did say that the school wou ld EVENTUALLY be build. No timeline though. These middle schoolers might be ready to file for SS before that happens.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 9:44:43 GMT -5
Why would illegals need protection against deportation. They can't have crimes perpetrated against them if they are not here in the first place. Where do they get money to live in sanctuary cities if it's not about jobs ? Family, friends, churches/charities. And (GASP!) those same families and friends let these illegal immigrants live with them. Geeez-is it even possible you could be less informed? So they're criminals also for harboring foreign nationals. Less informed indeed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 9:46:44 GMT -5
But do I need posters to tell me what my sources are, when they can't possibly know this ? Up to the last line, I actually was going to answer on topic about this. Now all I can say is you can't depend on left wing sources to explain it to you. That's why I'm here, because neither extreme can be depended on for truth and accuracy. That's why you need to use more moderate sources, instead of the far left wing sources
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 18, 2019 10:02:36 GMT -5
That's why I'm here, because neither extreme can be depended on for truth and accuracy. That's why you need to use more moderate sources, instead of the far left wing sources I am always curious on what individuals see as "far" left (or right) and which sources are "moderate".
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