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Post by swamp on Feb 15, 2019 9:04:42 GMT -5
I hear this one all the time. compounded with "greedy pharma companies..." and all that, not understanding the cost that gets sunk into so many avenues of research that don't pan out. for every drug that makes it to market, there's 10-15 that fall off the map at some point along the research path. sometimes as late as clinical trials, that's a lot of money that's essentially wasted and has to be recouped somewhere in order to fund the research for the next possible treatment. The irony is there IS what amounts to a cure for a particular type of cancer (and recent data suggests several other cancers too). It's called Gardasil. But since it's a vaccination people won't give it to their kids because they are either anti vaccination or think it promotes sexual activity. So how exactly are we evil scientists hiding the cure for cancer? It's right there in front of "your" face yet you have all sorts of twisted logic to avoid it. Both my girls will get it no question, if I had sons they would too. My son just got his Gardisil shot. Of course, I was told he would be paralyzed or die from it.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Feb 15, 2019 9:06:12 GMT -5
And that is why I will never take a cruise. we have been talking about it since coming home. for a number of reasons, NCL just doesn't give a shit about putting forth any effort into impressing this itinerary. we have proven year after year that we are coming back anyway, IN SPITE of their lackluster customer service. this year has been the loudest complaints to the promoters of the trip, so maybe something will come of it? (really, who am I kidding?) but, TBH, there are a number of people that got sick this trip that have said they have cruised NCL outside of these music festival trips and the food quality is markedly different. it's getting old. That totally sucks for you. I was about to be like maybe I'm not considering NCL after all. I mean I went on Carnival and had no issues with the food and all my allergies. Now my DH wants to go so I'm looking at other options. Preferably one without 60mph winds thank you very much.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 15, 2019 9:12:56 GMT -5
we have been talking about it since coming home. for a number of reasons, NCL just doesn't give a shit about putting forth any effort into impressing this itinerary. we have proven year after year that we are coming back anyway, IN SPITE of their lackluster customer service. this year has been the loudest complaints to the promoters of the trip, so maybe something will come of it? (really, who am I kidding?) but, TBH, there are a number of people that got sick this trip that have said they have cruised NCL outside of these music festival trips and the food quality is markedly different. it's getting old. That totally sucks for you. I was about to be like maybe I'm not considering NCL after all. I mean I went on Carnival and had no issues with the food and all my allergies. Now my DH wants to go so I'm looking at other options. Preferably one without 60mph winds thank you very much. for a number of reasons, food issues being just one, I would never sail NCL outside of one of these music festivals. unfortunately, the company that puts on said festivals is now owned by NCL so we're definitely stuck with them. don't wanna hijack the thread entirely, so I'll say if you have any questions about NCL or Carnival (our trips used to be on CCL, up to 2013), definitely PM me. would love to share insight
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 15, 2019 9:16:31 GMT -5
The irony is there IS what amounts to a cure for a particular type of cancer (and recent data suggests several other cancers too). It's called Gardasil. But since it's a vaccination people won't give it to their kids because they are either anti vaccination or think it promotes sexual activity. So how exactly are we evil scientists hiding the cure for cancer? It's right there in front of "your" face yet you have all sorts of twisted logic to avoid it. Both my girls will get it no question, if I had sons they would too. My son just got his Gardisil shot. Of course, I was told he would be paralyzed or die from it. You should have exposed him to measles. Then he'd be cured of ALL cancer! I really believe that basic bacterology, virology and immunology should be mandatory courses in public school at this point. The level of ignorance at this point regarding germ theory is freaking astounding. I can get that people may not understand the exact process of how "measles" cured cancer in a patient but a basic level of intelligence should be able to indicate to you that it's NOT the same thing as freaking contracting the virus in the wild. I can't even say we're going back to the dark ages because even in the dark ages they had a better understanding of how this shit worked and they had even less knowledge and technology than we do. Shameful.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 15, 2019 9:16:58 GMT -5
Is NCL Norwegian?
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 15, 2019 9:18:42 GMT -5
The irony is there IS what amounts to a cure for a particular type of cancer (and recent data suggests several other cancers too). It's called Gardasil. But since it's a vaccination people won't give it to their kids because they are either anti vaccination or think it promotes sexual activity. So how exactly are we evil scientists hiding the cure for cancer? It's right there in front of "your" face yet you have all sorts of twisted logic to avoid it. Both my girls will get it no question, if I had sons they would too. My son just got his Gardisil shot. Of course, I was told he would be paralyzed or die from it. Both my kids got it. I discussed it (or revealed it) with no one, except my doctor and my husband. Both were very short conversations, as we were all in agreement.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 15, 2019 9:18:43 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 9:20:50 GMT -5
Our Alaskan cruise was on NCL. I had zero complaints.
oh...and to keep it on topic. My son got the Gardisil shots (I think he had to get 2 or 3).
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 15, 2019 9:22:44 GMT -5
Sometimes I lay awake and wonder what people like Salk and Pastuer would think about today's anti-vaxxers. Can't imagine it would be flattering.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 15, 2019 9:23:42 GMT -5
probably similar to that lady in Tenn's article, I would imagine. and I'm with you on the basic education of why shit like this is important.
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Post by swamp on Feb 15, 2019 9:23:46 GMT -5
My son just got his Gardisil shot. Of course, I was told he would be paralyzed or die from it. Both my kids got it. I discussed it (or revealed it) with no one, except my doctor and my husband. Both were very short conversations, as we were all in agreement. I put something on FB about it because of the conversation with DS about it. Me: You're getting a shot tomorrow DS: What shot Me: Gardasil DS: What's that? Me: It prevents HPV, Human Pappilloma Virus DS: What's that? Me: It's can cause cancer. It's sexually transmitted DS: OK.......................... Wait, WHERE exactly am I going to get this shot. I though it was funny. Otherwise, it would have just happened and nobody would know about it.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 15, 2019 9:35:15 GMT -5
I was reading an article about HIV on the rise again in developed nations in part because people are not aware of how it's transmitted. Another big one is the cost of drugs but that is a separate topic.
My head almost exploded. How the hell can you NOT know that?!
Then I thought about conversations I've had with people. I had to be real careful about saying what type of research I worked in because people would think they could catch it from me simply because I worked in a lab that dealt with the virus. These same people told DH he should forbid me from working at the university because the hospital had Ebola patients across the street. If Ebola can get from a sealed biohazard level 4 containment unit, across the street and up 8 flights to infect me it doesn't matter where I work the world is ending. I've lost a lot of faith in humanity.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Feb 15, 2019 9:41:41 GMT -5
Our Alaskan cruise was on NCL. I had zero complaints.
oh...and to keep it on topic. My son got the Gardisil shots (I think he had to get 2 or 3).
We're on the standard vaccination schedule. I don't question it a whole lot. I was on the fence about the chicken pox one but decided my waffling about it meant the kids should get it. And then my younger brother got a horrid case of the chicken pox at 36 which pretty much sealed the deal for staying on the standard vaccination schedule. So yeah, both kids will get Gardisil when it's time.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 15, 2019 9:56:35 GMT -5
The standard vaccination schedule is based on when children start to lose the immunity they recieve from their mothers. Babies are born with a level of protection from pathogens but it does not last forever. The immunization schedule is designed to stimulate the adaptive immune system at key points when aquired immunity starts to "fail".
It's even more critical to follow the schedule now with all the outbreaks. While I do not agree with people who use an alternative schedule back when the majority of the population was immunized the risk was smaller. If you do not follow the schedule now you're putting your kid at serious risk it is vital people follow the standard schedule at this point in time. You cannot "overload" a child's immune system. Our immune system is stimulated every single day we are alive with trillions of things floating around in the air, on the ground, in the water and inside our own bodies. Vaccinations are just one of many ways to stimulate it.
The more stimulation the better actually because our immune system is not perfect our cells do not live forever. The more you stimulate it the more memory B and T cells you will have floating around. The more active memory B and T cells you have the faster the immune response. This is why getting a flu shot every year is also important. While they are all the same family each strain has it's own unique features. The vaccine contains the top strains for that particular year. The more versions your body is exposed to, the more it can recognize.
Your body builds on each flu shot it is given so in the event (and it's not a matter of IF, but when) your body encounters a new strain it hasn't seen before it will have seen enough versions like it to be able to mount a defense.
Shots do not 100% you getting sick. What they do is keep you from getting AS sick and getting sick enough that secondary infection will hitch a ride which are often what kills you more so than the original illness. During the 1918 people were dying from the pneumonia that hitched a ride along with the flu. The severity of the flu that year suppressed immune systems enough that other buggies could stroll right in. Drowning in your own phlegm is a pretty horrible way to die. I don't get my flu shot to keep from getting the flu, I get a flu shot to prevent that.
And that is your PSA for today.
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Post by justme on Feb 15, 2019 9:56:42 GMT -5
we have been talking about it since coming home. for a number of reasons, NCL just doesn't give a shit about putting forth any effort into impressing this itinerary. we have proven year after year that we are coming back anyway, IN SPITE of their lackluster customer service. this year has been the loudest complaints to the promoters of the trip, so maybe something will come of it? (really, who am I kidding?) but, TBH, there are a number of people that got sick this trip that have said they have cruised NCL outside of these music festival trips and the food quality is markedly different. it's getting old. That totally sucks for you. I was about to be like maybe I'm not considering NCL after all. I mean I went on Carnival and had no issues with the food and all my allergies. Now my DH wants to go so I'm looking at other options. Preferably one without 60mph winds thank you very much. The chartered cruises that chiver goes on are completely different animals. Whoever is chartering it has to pretty much specifically pay for everything. I've been on NCL and royal with someone with food stuff and they both did well. I will say royal is a bit easier because the set dining periods means if you go to the main dining room to eat it's the same staff each night. Norwegian does their freestyle dining, but from what I've heard are pretty good at noting it in your profile so it pops up when you checkin for dinner. There's also the option of making reservations or always going to the same restaurant at a similar time and requesting the same server. For either one though make sure you contact special access ahead of the cruise to make them aware and talk to them about it and what to do.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Feb 15, 2019 10:20:37 GMT -5
Both my kids got it. I discussed it (or revealed it) with no one, except my doctor and my husband. Both were very short conversations, as we were all in agreement. I put something on FB about it because of the conversation with DS about it. Me: You're getting a shot tomorrow DS: What shot Me: Gardasil DS: What's that? Me: It prevents HPV, Human Pappilloma Virus DS: What's that? Me: It's can cause cancer. It's sexually transmitted DS: OK.......................... Wait, WHERE exactly am I going to get this shot.
I though it was funny. Otherwise, it would have just happened and nobody would know about it. I could just hear these exact words coming out of my kiddos mouth under the circumstances!!
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 16, 2019 14:56:59 GMT -5
That totally sucks for you. I was about to be like maybe I'm not considering NCL after all. I mean I went on Carnival and had no issues with the food and all my allergies. Now my DH wants to go so I'm looking at other options. Preferably one without 60mph winds thank you very much. The chartered cruises that chiver goes on are completely different animals. Whoever is chartering it has to pretty much specifically pay for everything. I've been on NCL and royal with someone with food stuff and they both did well. I will say royal is a bit easier because the set dining periods means if you go to the main dining room to eat it's the same staff each night. Norwegian does their freestyle dining, but from what I've heard are pretty good at noting it in your profile so it pops up when you checkin for dinner. There's also the option of making reservations or always going to the same restaurant at a similar time and requesting the same server. For either one though make sure you contact special access ahead of the cruise to make them aware and talk to them about it and what to do. I’ve been on 9 royal Caribbean cruises and 3 NCl cruises. I love NCL. We booked another one for this May. I’ve never had an issue with the food, never got sick and find the service to be great (though we are also very good tippers so that probably helps).
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Feb 16, 2019 19:48:12 GMT -5
I see no one has mentioned bringing back yellow fever, malaria or yaws. Really, yaws was a disease (it was found mostly in the tropics and affected skin, bone and joint tissue. Google it and you'll wish you hadn't). Who wouldn't want to brag about their yaws, right?
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Post by alabamagal on Feb 16, 2019 22:05:10 GMT -5
I put something on FB about it because of the conversation with DS about it. Me: You're getting a shot tomorrow DS: What shot Me: Gardasil DS: What's that? Me: It prevents HPV, Human Pappilloma Virus DS: What's that? Me: It's can cause cancer. It's sexually transmitted DS: OK.......................... Wait, WHERE exactly am I going to get this shot.
I though it was funny. Otherwise, it would have just happened and nobody would know about it. I could just hear these exact words coming out of my kiddos mouth under the circumstances!! I think if you tell them it can lead to penile cancer (truth) that might make it more important to them. I think it is pretty rare, but you know about boys and their body parts.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 16, 2019 22:16:09 GMT -5
Both my kids got it. I discussed it (or revealed it) with no one, except my doctor and my husband. Both were very short conversations, as we were all in agreement. I put something on FB about it because of the conversation with DS about it. Me: You're getting a shot tomorrow DS: What shot Me: Gardasil DS: What's that? Me: It prevents HPV, Human Pappilloma Virus DS: What's that? Me: It's can cause cancer. It's sexually transmitted DS: OK.......................... Wait, WHERE exactly am I going to get this shot. I though it was funny. Otherwise, it would have just happened and nobody would know about it. Actually, Gardasil is one of the more painful shots. It has more "particles" in it and goes in slowly. It can really sting. Compared to Gardasil, DPT and MMR are painless.
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Post by dannylion on Feb 17, 2019 11:35:55 GMT -5
I hear this one all the time. compounded with "greedy pharma companies..." and all that, not understanding the cost that gets sunk into so many avenues of research that don't pan out. for every drug that makes it to market, there's 10-15 that fall off the map at some point along the research path. sometimes as late as clinical trials, that's a lot of money that's essentially wasted and has to be recouped somewhere in order to fund the research for the next possible treatment. The irony is there IS what amounts to a cure for a particular type of cancer (and recent data suggests several other cancers too). It's called Gardasil. But since it's a vaccination people won't give it to their kids because they are either anti vaccination or think it promotes sexual activity. So how exactly are we evil scientists hiding the cure for cancer? It's right there in front of "your" face yet you have all sorts of twisted logic to avoid it. Both my girls will get it no question, if I had sons they would too. Because everyone knows HPV can only be transmitted through premarital sex. Apparently, even if one's marriage partner is an HPV carrier, the magic of the marriage ceremony will prevent any transmission.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 17, 2019 12:23:09 GMT -5
The standard vaccination schedule is based on when children start to lose the immunity they recieve from their mothers. Babies are born with a level of protection from pathogens but it does not last forever. The immunization schedule is designed to stimulate the adaptive immune system at key points when aquired immunity starts to "fail".
It's even more critical to follow the schedule now with all the outbreaks. While I do not agree with people who use an alternative schedule back when the majority of the population was immunized the risk was smaller. If you do not follow the schedule now you're putting your kid at serious risk it is vital people follow the standard schedule at this point in time. You cannot "overload" a child's immune system. Our immune system is stimulated every single day we are alive with trillions of things floating around in the air, on the ground, in the water and inside our own bodies. Vaccinations are just one of many ways to stimulate it.
The more stimulation the better actually because our immune system is not perfect our cells do not live forever. The more you stimulate it the more memory B and T cells you will have floating around. The more active memory B and T cells you have the faster the immune response. This is why getting a flu shot every year is also important. While they are all the same family each strain has it's own unique features. The vaccine contains the top strains for that particular year. The more versions your body is exposed to, the more it can recognize.
Your body builds on each flu shot it is given so in the event (and it's not a matter of IF, but when) your body encounters a new strain it hasn't seen before it will have seen enough versions like it to be able to mount a defense.
Shots do not 100% you getting sick. What they do is keep you from getting AS sick and getting sick enough that secondary infection will hitch a ride which are often what kills you more so than the original illness. During the 1918 people were dying from the pneumonia that hitched a ride along with the flu. The severity of the flu that year suppressed immune systems enough that other buggies could stroll right in. Drowning in your own phlegm is a pretty horrible way to die. I don't get my flu shot to keep from getting the flu, I get a flu shot to prevent that.
And that is your PSA for today. . DD says they guessed right this time and it’s the proper vaccine for the flu that’s going around.
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Post by justme on Feb 17, 2019 12:25:01 GMT -5
The irony is there IS what amounts to a cure for a particular type of cancer (and recent data suggests several other cancers too). It's called Gardasil. But since it's a vaccination people won't give it to their kids because they are either anti vaccination or think it promotes sexual activity. So how exactly are we evil scientists hiding the cure for cancer? It's right there in front of "your" face yet you have all sorts of twisted logic to avoid it. Both my girls will get it no question, if I had sons they would too. Because everyone knows HPV can only be transmitted through premarital sex. Apparently, even if one's marriage partner is an HPV carrier, the magic of the marriage ceremony will prevent any transmission. Except HPV can be spread through non sexual contact. Like if one ever gets a wart on your hand. Though the shot does go against the ones that are most likely to be spread by sexual contact. I can't remember if the non cancer causing ones in the shot includes them or not.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 17, 2019 12:26:47 GMT -5
My oldest cousin got polio, the iron lung and everything. One leg shorter than the other. His body is painfully falling apart but he is in his mid seventies. His two siblings? No issues. Adults getting children diseases are very hard on the adults. A guy friend of mine had to get his tonsils removed. What’s easy for a kid was horrible for him.
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Post by dannylion on Feb 17, 2019 12:36:37 GMT -5
Because everyone knows HPV can only be transmitted through premarital sex. Apparently, even if one's marriage partner is an HPV carrier, the magic of the marriage ceremony will prevent any transmission. Except HPV can be spread through non sexual contact. Like if one ever gets a wart on your hand. Though the shot does go against the ones that are most likely to be spread by sexual contact. I can't remember if the non cancer causing ones in the shot includes them or not. My post was sarcasm. Apparently not very successful sarcasm. It was not meant to be taken literally. It was intended to point out the absurdity of the basis of some people's objection to the vaccine.
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Post by justme on Feb 17, 2019 12:43:29 GMT -5
Except HPV can be spread through non sexual contact. Like if one ever gets a wart on your hand. Though the shot does go against the ones that are most likely to be spread by sexual contact. I can't remember if the non cancer causing ones in the shot includes them or not. My post was sarcasm. Apparently not very successful sarcasm. It was not meant to be taken literally. It was intended to point out the absurdity of the basis of some people's objection to the vaccine. Oh I knew the premarital comment was sarcasm. Wasn't sure if the sexual contact was - a lot of people have very specific ideas about STDs, as you called out one with your sarcasm. A lot of misinformation and misunderstanding out there.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 17, 2019 15:47:53 GMT -5
"You cannot "overload" a child's immune system. Our immune system is stimulated every single day we are alive with trillions of things floating around in the air, on the ground, in the water and inside our own bodies. Vaccinations are just one of many ways to stimulate it."
^This^ Any exposure to another vaccine is exactly like your immunized child coming into contact with an infected classmate. Your body already knows how to fight off the offending pathogen and rallies the troops for a war.
Don't remember if your child got the vaccine? Don't know if your adopted child got one? It's OK to get another one. Like Drama said...you cannot overload a child's immune system.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 17, 2019 15:50:19 GMT -5
Father at centre of measles outbreak didn't vaccinate children due to autism fears The man whose family is at the centre of a measles outbreak in Vancouver said he didn't vaccinate his children because he distrusted the science at the time. In an exclusive interview with CBC News, Emmanuel Bilodeau said he and his then-wife were influenced by reports that linked the vaccine that prevents measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) with autism. www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/father-vancouver-measles-outbreak-1.5022891
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Post by justme on Feb 18, 2019 18:10:03 GMT -5
My SIL shared a post of someone looking at the inserts that come with vaccines saying look at all the info they give you - look how bad they are!!!!
I didn't post "or maybe, you ignorant boob, that's what things look like when they are scientifically studied and proven as doing what they say instead of just smelling good!!!!"
I rewarded myself for family harmony with happy hour at cheesecake. You're welcome family and you owe me $25. 😝
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