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Post by hoops902 on Feb 14, 2019 13:40:31 GMT -5
Meh, I didn't vaccinate my kids. All I hear are horror stories about having teenagers...not vaccinating seemed like a good way to prevent that.
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Post by azucena on Feb 14, 2019 14:59:45 GMT -5
I had to read all the way to the end and through all the #hashtags to figure out why in the world she thought these diseases fight cancer In her tweets extolling the benefits of having measles, Shine pointed to a 2014 CNN story where a woman who reportedly had incurable cancer was treated with a highly-concentrated measles virus that sent her cancer into remission in a procedure at the Mayo Clinic. The science behind the Mayo Clinic report hinged on a genetically engineered measles virus, designed to kill a particular kind of cancer known as multiple myeloma. The concept, known as virotherapy, does not extrapolate to the general population. Of course it makes perfect sense to use that one test case as your basis for not vaccinating so you can beat cancer.
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Post by swamp on Feb 14, 2019 15:03:48 GMT -5
I had to read all the way to the end and through all the #hashtags to figure out why in the world she thought these diseases fight cancer In her tweets extolling the benefits of having measles, Shine pointed to a 2014 CNN story where a woman who reportedly had incurable cancer was treated with a highly-concentrated measles virus that sent her cancer into remission in a procedure at the Mayo Clinic. The science behind the Mayo Clinic report hinged on a genetically engineered measles virus, designed to kill a particular kind of cancer known as multiple myeloma. The concept, known as virotherapy, does not extrapolate to the general population. Of course it makes perfect sense to use that one test case as your basis for not vaccinating so you can beat cancer. And just think, all this time multiple myeloma could be treated by contracting the measles. I told you big pharma sucks!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 14, 2019 15:11:26 GMT -5
I've heard the one where we've already developed the cure and we're deliberately hiding it.
I've heard we created cancer in the lab to make money.
Tying it all to vaccines is a new one for me. Gotta love conspiracies.
This is what you get when "science" is considered a dirty word and being an intellectual is seen as something worthy of ridicule.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 14, 2019 15:21:19 GMT -5
I had to read all the way to the end and through all the #hashtags to figure out why in the world she thought these diseases fight cancer In her tweets extolling the benefits of having measles, Shine pointed to a 2014 CNN story where a woman who reportedly had incurable cancer was treated with a highly-concentrated measles virus that sent her cancer into remission in a procedure at the Mayo Clinic. The science behind the Mayo Clinic report hinged on a genetically engineered measles virus, designed to kill a particular kind of cancer known as multiple myeloma. The concept, known as virotherapy, does not extrapolate to the general population. Of course it makes perfect sense to use that one test case as your basis for not vaccinating so you can beat cancer. And just think, all this time multiple myeloma could be treated by contracting the measles. I told you big pharma sucks! Thalidomide is also used to treat multiple myeloma. So what did Big Pharma do? They jacked up the price of this old, cheap drug something like 10,000%
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Post by justme on Feb 14, 2019 15:49:08 GMT -5
I don't believe big pharma is holding back all these cures. There's just no logical, rational way that's true. (Way too many people to kill or buy off, plus the moment someone in power knows someone the drug can help you know they'd use it.)
But that doesn't stop me from thinking they're assholes that do shitty ass things. I've long said that even if we don't create steadfast price controls like other countries, the FDA long ago should have been able to require approval for any drug hikes over a certain % and been able to tell companies to fuck off when they do a minor tweak in order to start the patent clock over again.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Feb 14, 2019 16:00:22 GMT -5
A little diphtheria never hurt anyone either. Was it that or dysentery that killed you on the Oregon Trail game? I think it was dysentery. Can we bring it back too?!
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Post by NoNamePerson on Feb 14, 2019 16:06:46 GMT -5
I've heard the one where we've already developed the cure and we're deliberately hiding it. I've heard we created cancer in the lab to make money. Tying it all to vaccines is a new one for me. Gotta love conspiracies. This is what you get when "science" is considered a dirty word and being an intellectual is seen as something worthy of ridicule. You left out the one where all the doctors are being killed off so they can't use these cures. I have someone on FB that post about doctors being killed. Some sites she uses. Can't think of it now and most times I just hide post. Not a RL friend so I just ignore it most times
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 14, 2019 16:13:21 GMT -5
I've heard the one where we've already developed the cure and we're deliberately hiding it. I've heard we created cancer in the lab to make money. Tying it all to vaccines is a new one for me. Gotta love conspiracies. This is what you get when "science" is considered a dirty word and being an intellectual is seen as something worthy of ridicule. You left out the one where all the doctors are being killed off so they can't use these cures. I have someone on FB that post about doctors being killed. Some sites she uses. Can't think of it now and most times I just hide post. Not a RL friend so I just ignore it most times And I suppose the media and government are in on this and that's why none of non truth seekers have heard a single word about doctors going missing.
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Post by gracendignity on Feb 14, 2019 16:14:46 GMT -5
A little diphtheria never hurt anyone either. Was it that or dysentery that killed you on the Oregon Trail game? I think it was dysentery. Can we bring it back too?! I think it was dysentery, but hey! There are plenty of diseases for everyone! The more you have the better your immune system becomes, right?
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Post by justme on Feb 14, 2019 16:18:14 GMT -5
Was it that or dysentery that killed you on the Oregon Trail game? I think it was dysentery. Can we bring it back too?! I think it was dysentery, but hey! There are plenty of diseases for everyone! The more you have the better your immune system becomes, right? Don't forget the oils!
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Feb 14, 2019 16:23:36 GMT -5
I think it was dysentery, but hey! There are plenty of diseases for everyone! The more you have the better your immune system becomes, right? Don't forget the oils! They cure EVERYTHING!!!
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 14, 2019 16:30:00 GMT -5
I've heard the one where we've already developed the cure and we're deliberately hiding it. I've heard we created cancer in the lab to make money. Tying it all to vaccines is a new one for me. Gotta love conspiracies. This is what you get when "science" is considered a dirty word and being an intellectual is seen as something worthy of ridicule. I guess we are going back to the days where scientists were outlaws.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Feb 14, 2019 18:42:01 GMT -5
What about small pox? My small pox vaccine didn't "take" according to my mom. I have no small pox scar on my arm.
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Post by souldoubt on Feb 14, 2019 19:06:59 GMT -5
There's plenty of people on both sides of the aisle responsible for the antivaxxer movement. It became an even bigger issue when some of these people who have no idea what they're talking about are in the public eye, they spout their opinions as fact and others believe it ala Jenny McCarthy. I don't have kids yet but it scares the crap out of me knowing that when we do have kids even though we get them vaccinated because some other people don't vaccinate their kids it puts the vaccinated kids they come in contact with at risk. I know when I was in school you had to provide proof you had been vaccinated not sure how or why that's changed.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 14, 2019 19:23:55 GMT -5
We should be back leaches as a cure too.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 14, 2019 19:35:53 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 19:53:02 GMT -5
I don't have children but I do have horrific memories of being sick in my childhood. I don't remember much else except fever, pain, fighting to breath, itching, etc. I'm old so I guess there were no vaccines available in the late forty's on for many years, so I had mumps, chicken pox, both kinds of measles, and unending strep throat, flu, and colds. I suspect, in hindsight, that my mother's heavy smoking made things worse. We were really poor so no there was no possibility of seeking medical treatment for anything, just steam kettles, ice packs, Sloan's liniment, mustard packs, etc. I'm told that my very poor vision is due to the measles and I do remember weeks in a room with no light because any light caused intense pain. Even when the polio vaccine came out, my mother would not allow it so I finally got it in my mid-sixties. I have horrible memories of the parks and pools being closed and the start of school being delayed because so many of my elementary school classmates were in iron lungs. There are multiple cases of measles in my county and adjacent ones so I am scared for DH who refuses to be vaccinated for anything. He's 78 so maybe his claim of natural immunity is valid. If not, he's toast.
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Post by chapeau on Feb 14, 2019 20:17:32 GMT -5
My grandmother had measles as a child and died of multiple myeloma. While the plural of anecdote is not data, I'll take that as all the proof I need that someone is full of something. How about cholera? That's really ugly...
(actually, I'm not even sure there's a vaccine against that one. Basic sanitary practices take care of that, I think)
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Post by dannylion on Feb 14, 2019 21:42:51 GMT -5
I still remember life before the polio vaccine. People didn't know where the virus was encountered in the environment, and most people probably didn't understand the underlying causes of diseases. I'm sure my parents didn't understand where it came from; they weren't stupid, but they had limited education, and virtually no scientific training or background. For some reason, folk wisdom attributed the transmission of polio to interaction with water outdoors. My cousin and I weren't allowed to play in the sprinklers (even in a Southern California summer) or go to public swimming pools or touch water in puddles. I'm sure there were other rumors about where polio was hiding. I was very young (I think about 5 or 6 years old) when the polio vaccine was finally available, but even to a young child, it was very clear that parents were enormously relieved to have it available. My parents ensured that I (and they) received the vaccine.
I'm sure that if measles, chicken pox, and mumps vaccines had been available, my parents would have been grateful for those, as well. I had the measles and chicken pox at the same time and was very sick and out of school for several weeks. I knew children whose vision or hearing loss was attributed to childhood diseases. My father had diphtheria as a teenager and nearly died. Vaccines are miracles that have eliminated an enormous amount of suffering.
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Post by nittanycheme on Feb 14, 2019 22:16:51 GMT -5
My grandmother had measles as a child and died of multiple myeloma. While the plural of anecdote is not data, I'll take that as all the proof I need that someone is full of something. How about cholera? That's really ugly...
(actually, I'm not even sure there's a vaccine against that one. Basic sanitary practices take care of that, I think)
There is. Its one of the older vaccines. In my in first pharm job, I worked at a plant that made alot of the "old fashioned" vaccines - cholera, typhoid, diphtheria, DPT (Diptheria Pertussis Tetanus), etc. That plant closed a long time ago, but there are others who manufacture the cholera vaccine. Its used quite a bit overseas where the water quality is lower. As someone who worked where we made those vaccines, I learned about the diseases as a point of interest. Most of the diseases were awful - vaccines really are a victim of their own success.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Feb 15, 2019 8:11:36 GMT -5
I still remember life before the polio vaccine. People didn't know where the virus was encountered in the environment, and most people probably didn't understand the underlying causes of diseases. I'm sure my parents didn't understand where it came from; they weren't stupid, but they had limited education, and virtually no scientific training or background. For some reason, folk wisdom attributed the transmission of polio to interaction with water outdoors. My cousin and I weren't allowed to play in the sprinklers (even in a Southern California summer) or go to public swimming pools or touch water in puddles. I'm sure there were other rumors about where polio was hiding. I was very young (I think about 5 or 6 years old) when the polio vaccine was finally available, but even to a young child, it was very clear that parents were enormously relieved to have it available. My parents ensured that I (and they) received the vaccine. I'm sure that if measles, chicken pox, and mumps vaccines had been available, my parents would have been grateful for those, as well. I had the measles and chicken pox at the same time and was very sick and out of school for several weeks. I knew children whose vision or hearing loss was attributed to childhood diseases. My father had diphtheria as a teenager and nearly died. Vaccines are miracles that have eliminated an enormous amount of suffering. Same here but I also remember lying about my age so I could take the "sugar cube" with the vaccine on it instead of the shot. I think you had to be 13 or thereabouts to get the cube. Long ago but I remember not taking the shot!! They just lined us up at school and asked age. No one was lugging their birth certificates and that stuff along with us Just get in line and get shot or sugar cube.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 15, 2019 8:25:01 GMT -5
I've heard the one where we've already developed the cure and we're deliberately hiding it.I've heard we created cancer in the lab to make money. Tying it all to vaccines is a new one for me. Gotta love conspiracies. This is what you get when "science" is considered a dirty word and being an intellectual is seen as something worthy of ridicule. I hear this one all the time. compounded with "greedy pharma companies..." and all that, not understanding the cost that gets sunk into so many avenues of research that don't pan out. for every drug that makes it to market, there's 10-15 that fall off the map at some point along the research path. sometimes as late as clinical trials, that's a lot of money that's essentially wasted and has to be recouped somewhere in order to fund the research for the next possible treatment.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 15, 2019 8:26:17 GMT -5
Are you forking kidding me? Ugh.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 15, 2019 8:28:05 GMT -5
A little diphtheria never hurt anyone either. Was it that or dysentery that killed you on the Oregon Trail game? I think it was dysentery. Can we bring it back too?! it was definitely dysentery. that was our joke onboard the cruise, that we all were going to die of dysentery. hell, our symptoms of malnutrition and food poisoning certainly came close in some cases.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 15, 2019 8:31:59 GMT -5
Was it that or dysentery that killed you on the Oregon Trail game? I think it was dysentery. Can we bring it back too?! it was definitely dysentery. that was our joke onboard the cruise, that we all were going to die of dysentery. hell, our symptoms of malnutrition and food poisoning certainly came close in some cases. And that is why I will never take a cruise.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Feb 15, 2019 8:34:06 GMT -5
The one night my food was meh. The rest was fine. No allergy issues or anything. I was pleasantly surprised.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 15, 2019 8:39:03 GMT -5
it was definitely dysentery. that was our joke onboard the cruise, that we all were going to die of dysentery. hell, our symptoms of malnutrition and food poisoning certainly came close in some cases. And that is why I will never take a cruise. we have been talking about it since coming home. for a number of reasons, NCL just doesn't give a shit about putting forth any effort into impressing this itinerary. we have proven year after year that we are coming back anyway, IN SPITE of their lackluster customer service. this year has been the loudest complaints to the promoters of the trip, so maybe something will come of it? (really, who am I kidding?) but, TBH, there are a number of people that got sick this trip that have said they have cruised NCL outside of these music festival trips and the food quality is markedly different. it's getting old.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Feb 15, 2019 8:40:18 GMT -5
it was definitely dysentery. that was our joke onboard the cruise, that we all were going to die of dysentery. hell, our symptoms of malnutrition and food poisoning certainly came close in some cases. And that is why I will never take a cruise. My parents started going on them last year. They're enjoying them. They go with Mom's cousin and her spouse. They've got their 3rd one booked for next January. So far, no issues for them.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 15, 2019 8:43:20 GMT -5
I've heard the one where we've already developed the cure and we're deliberately hiding it.I've heard we created cancer in the lab to make money. Tying it all to vaccines is a new one for me. Gotta love conspiracies. This is what you get when "science" is considered a dirty word and being an intellectual is seen as something worthy of ridicule. I hear this one all the time. compounded with "greedy pharma companies..." and all that, not understanding the cost that gets sunk into so many avenues of research that don't pan out. for every drug that makes it to market, there's 10-15 that fall off the map at some point along the research path. sometimes as late as clinical trials, that's a lot of money that's essentially wasted and has to be recouped somewhere in order to fund the research for the next possible treatment. The irony is there IS what amounts to a cure for a particular type of cancer (and recent data suggests several other cancers too). It's called Gardasil. But since it's a vaccination people won't give it to their kids because they are either anti vaccination or think it promotes sexual activity. So how exactly are we evil scientists hiding the cure for cancer? It's right there in front of "your" face yet you have all sorts of twisted logic to avoid it. Both my girls will get it no question, if I had sons they would too.
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