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Post by Value Buy on Feb 13, 2019 10:34:16 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 13, 2019 19:20:07 GMT -5
my first response is: who cares? I bet that 4 billion people would like to own a house in the Hamptons. that is equally meaningless. it only means something if you can act on it.
my second reaction is: that's nice. how are they going to get here? most of the people saying they want to come are from countries so poor and so distant that there is no realistic chance of them ever making it.
my final reaction is: more power to them.
if you are wanting to know how many immigrants we can support, subtract our national birth rate from GDP growth rate and multiply that by our population. that is about how many new citizens we could take in per year from outside the US.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 14, 2019 9:33:59 GMT -5
1 million people per year.
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Post by cronewitch on Feb 14, 2019 12:36:02 GMT -5
We should allow asylum seekers from war torn countries who would die if turned away, not people who just want more money. Also people who have special talents or skills. Family unification and lastly general immigrants. We have always had groups like Cubans, vietnamese, Russians come in floods but they assimilated. The issue with allowing too many over too long from one culture is they don't assimilate well. All keep some of native culture but are also Americans. Most assimilate by the third generation. Americans are of every race so not wanting huge numbers from one place isn't racist, unless you are racist. I think we can handle half a million a year.
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 14, 2019 13:45:57 GMT -5
1 million people per year. Why one million? Is that just a "nice fuzzy feeling round number"? Why not 950,000, or 1,050,000? I consider our carbon footprint everyone is so concerned about. Earth's other countries and our green liberal democrats should be stopping any migration to the USA just to curtail our evil carbon footprint. My best guess number is 600,000 including illegals. Since we have about 400,000 illegals coming here this year, it limits us to 200,000 legal ones (not entire families) who might have educational levels we need.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 14, 2019 21:04:57 GMT -5
1 million people per year. Why one million? Is that just a "nice fuzzy feeling round number"? I presume it is a round number given the estimated difference between birthrate and GDP growth.
in other words, it was "following the formula".
you can get a pretty precise number by using the exact numbers, when available.
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Post by mroped on Feb 15, 2019 13:11:19 GMT -5
It shouldn’t be set at an exact number. Should fluctuate dependent on the internal needs and abilities of the country but also consider as was mentioned war torn regions or as the past year happened “caravans” At this time between all the programs there are about 1 million foreigners coming in US annually. Many of them are through work visas. That is one of the programs tha it should either be completely eliminated or reduced drastically. Right now it allows big corporations to take advantage of high skilled foreigners that would work dirt cheap versus American educated and trained that would ask for fair wages. Should be used just for extreme cases. Reopen the legal migration chanels and remove the Lottery Visa Program.
I can’t pronounce myself on an exact number but it could be varying from year to year from 500000 to one million.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 15, 2019 13:40:12 GMT -5
One horrific reason Guatemalans are fleeing the country and seeking asylum in the U.S., especially young families and girls/young women. A Locked Door, a Fire and 41 Girls Killed as Police Stood ByGUATEMALA CITY — As fire swept through the classroom, the pleas from the 56 girls locked inside began to fade. Most were unconscious or worse by then, as an eerie silence replaced their panic-stricken shouts. The police officers guarding the door — who had refused to unlock it despite the screams — waited nine minutes before stepping inside. They got water to cool down the scorching knob. Inside, dozens of girls placed in the care of the Guatemalan state lay sprawled on the blackened floor. Forty-one of them died. It was one of the deadliest tragedies in Guatemala since the end of its civil war decades ago, and it happened inside a group home for at-risk youth who had been put there by the government, supposedly for their own protection. Complete article here: A Locked Door, a Fire and 41 Girls Killed as Police Stood By
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 15, 2019 13:56:18 GMT -5
1 million people per year. Why one million? Is that just a "nice fuzzy feeling round number"? Why not 950,000, or 1,050,000? I consider our carbon footprint everyone is so concerned about. Earth's other countries and our green liberal democrats should be stopping any migration to the USA just to curtail our evil carbon footprint. My best guess number is 600,000 including illegals. Since we have about 400,000 illegals coming here this year, it limits us to 200,000 legal ones (not entire families) who might have educational levels we need. 600,000? That's all? We take in 310,000 per year and we're 10 times smaller! Somehow we manage. That's like you taking in 3,100,000. The "richest country in the world" can only manage 600,000? ...and it's funny how conservatives don't give a crap about the environment, pass laws that will only muck it up, and then pull "carbon footprints" out of their nether regions to make some kind of point.
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One horrific reason Guatemalans are fleeing the country and seeking asylum in the U.S., especially young families and girls/young women. A Locked Door, a Fire and 41 Girls Killed as Police Stood ByGUATEMALA CITY — As fire swept through the classroom, the pleas from the 56 girls locked inside began to fade. Most were unconscious or worse by then, as an eerie silence replaced their panic-stricken shouts. The police officers guarding the door — who had refused to unlock it despite the screams — waited nine minutes before stepping inside. They got water to cool down the scorching knob. Inside, dozens of girls placed in the care of the Guatemalan state lay sprawled on the blackened floor. Forty-one of them died. It was one of the deadliest tragedies in Guatemala since the end of its civil war decades ago, and it happened inside a group home for at-risk youth who had been put there by the government, supposedly for their own protection. Complete article here: A Locked Door, a Fire and 41 Girls Killed as Police Stood ByNo need to run here, to escape that type of police behavior. www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/02/22/officer-florida-high-school-shooting-sat-outside-gunfire-sounding-he-should-have-stopped/365122002/
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 14:17:05 GMT -5
On a lighter note... If those illegals were voting Republican, you'd be able to see that wall from the International Space Station.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 15, 2019 15:44:15 GMT -5
On a lighter note... If those illegals were voting Republican, you'd be able to see that wall from the International Space Station. illegals don't vote.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 15, 2019 16:32:32 GMT -5
One horrific reason Guatemalans are fleeing the country and seeking asylum in the U.S., especially young families and girls/young women. A Locked Door, a Fire and 41 Girls Killed as Police Stood ByGUATEMALA CITY — As fire swept through the classroom, the pleas from the 56 girls locked inside began to fade. Most were unconscious or worse by then, as an eerie silence replaced their panic-stricken shouts. The police officers guarding the door — who had refused to unlock it despite the screams — waited nine minutes before stepping inside. They got water to cool down the scorching knob. Inside, dozens of girls placed in the care of the Guatemalan state lay sprawled on the blackened floor. Forty-one of them died. It was one of the deadliest tragedies in Guatemala since the end of its civil war decades ago, and it happened inside a group home for at-risk youth who had been put there by the government, supposedly for their own protection. Complete article here: A Locked Door, a Fire and 41 Girls Killed as Police Stood ByNo need to run here, to escape that type of police behavior. www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/02/22/officer-florida-high-school-shooting-sat-outside-gunfire-sounding-he-should-have-stopped/365122002/Not even comparable what some of the girls went through regardless of the fire.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 15, 2019 16:35:24 GMT -5
On a lighter note... If those illegals were voting Republican, you'd be able to see that wall from the International Space Station. illegals don't vote. If Trump says they vote, then by God, they vote!! He's a very honest man.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 9:19:17 GMT -5
On a lighter note... If those illegals were voting Republican, you'd be able to see that wall from the International Space Station. illegals don't vote. Part of the joke.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 9:24:40 GMT -5
Not even comparable what some of the girls went through regardless of the fire. Bad police behavior is just that. Having a lower body count doesn't make it good police behavior.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 16, 2019 9:53:48 GMT -5
Not even comparable what some of the girls went through regardless of the fire. Bad police behavior is just that. Having a lower body count doesn't make it good police behavior. It's because of stories just like these two, that I carry a gun So the rape and other physical mistreatment of young girls by their fathers and other family members is not something one would like to escape and flee from? The police have nothing to do with how these girls are assaulted and abused by men in their country. The culture of the country is responsible, something worth fleeing.
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 16, 2019 9:56:36 GMT -5
Why one million? Is that just a "nice fuzzy feeling round number"? Why not 950,000, or 1,050,000? I consider our carbon footprint everyone is so concerned about. Earth's other countries and our green liberal democrats should be stopping any migration to the USA just to curtail our evil carbon footprint. My best guess number is 600,000 including illegals. Since we have about 400,000 illegals coming here this year, it limits us to 200,000 legal ones (not entire families) who might have educational levels we need. 600,000? That's all? We take in 310,000 per year and we're 10 times smaller! Somehow we manage. That's like you taking in 3,100,000. The "richest country in the world" can only manage 600,000? ...and it's funny how conservatives don't give a crap about the environment, pass laws that will only muck it up, and then pull "carbon footprints" out of their nether regions to make some kind of point. Say conservatives do not want to go green is correct. Why not limit immigration just to keep from continually inflating our over use and production of green house emissions? The green people should be estatic to have us stop the increase of pollution especially when they will not stop China or India from increasing their pollution. As far as Canada versus US immigration numbers, Canada is still a young country pertaining to settlement of the acreage compared to the US. Canada's population per sq mile is a fraction of ours. Go ahead and flood your country and it's sensitive biological areas with immigrants. Take our share with you. Please!
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 16, 2019 10:01:35 GMT -5
Bad police behavior is just that. Having a lower body count doesn't make it good police behavior. It's because of stories just like these two, that I carry a gun So the rape and other physical mistreatment of young girls by their fathers and other family members is not something one would like to escape and flee from? The police have nothing to do with how these girls are assaulted and abused by men in their country. The culture of the country is responsible, something worth fleeing. What is not currently discussed in the national news is the number of Central American migrants in the US who give or sell their minor daughters off to older Central American migrants, Some even let the older male move in with them and live as an expanded family unit. This is a problem that Florida has in the central region of the state in the large migrant farm areas. Some Parents even claim they have no knowledge that this is against the law.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 16, 2019 10:06:33 GMT -5
So the rape and other physical mistreatment of young girls by their fathers and other family members is not something one would like to escape and flee from? The police have nothing to do with how these girls are assaulted and abused by men in their country. The culture of the country is responsible, something worth fleeing. What is not currently discussed in the national news is the number of Central American migrants in the US who give or sell their minor daughters off to older Central American migrants, Some even let the older male move in with them and live as an expanded family unit. This is a problem that Florida has in the central region of the state in the large migrant farm areas. Some Parents even claim they have no knowledge that this is against the law. That is something our country can deal with if the minor daughters and others did not fear of being thrown out of the country for having asked our authorities for help. Are you of the opinion all crimes committed against illegal immigrants are reported to the police by the victims? I am under no illusion they are all reported.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 10:24:36 GMT -5
Bad police behavior is just that. Having a lower body count doesn't make it good police behavior. It's because of stories just like these two, that I carry a gun So the rape and other physical mistreatment of young girls by their fathers and other family members is not something one would like to escape and flee from? The police have nothing to do with how these girls are assaulted and abused by men in their country. The culture of the country is responsible, something worth fleeing. We worked hard to achieve the culture we have. These people are not assimilating. If they were, they wouldn't enter/overstay illegally. If assimilating was happening, you wouldn't see any signs in Spanish either. They bring that very same culture here.
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 16, 2019 10:39:45 GMT -5
So the rape and other physical mistreatment of young girls by their fathers and other family members is not something one would like to escape and flee from? The police have nothing to do with how these girls are assaulted and abused by men in their country. The culture of the country is responsible, something worth fleeing. We worked hard to achieve the culture we have. These people are not assimilating. If they were, they wouldn't enter/overstay illegally. If assimilating was happening, you wouldn't see any signs in Spanish either. They bring that very same culture here. Have to disagree with you about assimilation. The Irish settled in large numbers in the same area, but since they speak English the signs are English. The Italians settled and spoke Italian so some signs were in Italian The Polish settled in Chicago came and had signs in Polish and still there. The Cubans settled in Miami area and signs popped up in Spanish and are still there somewhat. The Jewish immigrants settled in NYC with signs in Hebrew, and still there. The Greeks came and had signs in Greek. Still do. Same for the Spanish surname from Puerto Rico, Mexico or central America, just wish they were all legal immigrants...... I could go on with other ethnic groups, but you get the picture. The children and grandchildren are all assimilated to American culture for the most part but still enjoy their heritage from the old country. And who among us have not enjoyed being invited to wedddings with and the dinner celebrated with some of the old customs or spend weekends visiting various ethnic celebrations with food and drink celebrated from the old country Nothing wrong with that........
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 16, 2019 11:30:10 GMT -5
So the rape and other physical mistreatment of young girls by their fathers and other family members is not something one would like to escape and flee from? The police have nothing to do with how these girls are assaulted and abused by men in their country. The culture of the country is responsible, something worth fleeing. We worked hard to achieve the culture we have. These people are not assimilating. If they were, they wouldn't enter/overstay illegally. If assimilating was happening, you wouldn't see any signs in Spanish either. They bring that very same culture here. You and I did nothing to achieve the culture we have. We are only the beneficiaries of it. Stop with the drama.
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We worked hard to achieve the culture we have. These people are not assimilating. If they were, they wouldn't enter/overstay illegally. If assimilating was happening, you wouldn't see any signs in Spanish either. They bring that very same culture here. Have to disagree with you about assimilation. The Irish settled in large numbers in the same area, but since they speak English the signs are English. The Italians settled and spoke Italian so some signs were in Italian The Polish settled in Chicago came and had signs in Polish and still there. The Cubans settled in Miami area and signs popped up in Spanish and are still there somewhat. The Jewish immigrants settled in NYC with signs in Hebrew, and still there. The Greeks came and had signs in Greek. Still do. Same for the Spanish surname from Puerto Rico, Mexico or central America, just wish they were all legal immigrants...... I could go on with other ethnic groups, but you get the picture. The children and grandchildren are all assimilated to American culture for the most part but still enjoy their heritage from the old country. And who among us have not enjoyed being invited to wedddings with and the dinner celebrated with some of the old customs or spend weekends visiting various ethnic celebrations with food and drink celebrated from the old country Nothing wrong with that........ Thank you for saying this. I am so sick of this claim they aren't assimilating. I spend half my life with assimilated Mexicans. Often 2nd generation, but that is no different than any other set of inmigrants.
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We worked hard to achieve the culture we have. These people are not assimilating. If they were, they wouldn't enter/overstay illegally. If assimilating was happening, you wouldn't see any signs in Spanish either. They bring that very same culture here. You and I did nothing to achieve the culture we have. We are only the beneficiaries of it. Stop with the drama. This. I’m getting pretty tired of the smug, superior attitude of people who act as if being born in the US was something they achieved. It was sheer good fortune and “there but for the grace.....”
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Post by mroped on Feb 16, 2019 21:07:48 GMT -5
We worked hard to achieve the culture we have. These people are not assimilating. If they were, they wouldn't enter/overstay illegally. If assimilating was happening, you wouldn't see any signs in Spanish either. They bring that very same culture here. I can’t even begin to explain what is wrong with your statements above and if I were would be a few pages and a couple days sp all I can say for now is “wow! You did done it!!”
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We worked hard to achieve the culture we have. These people are not assimilating. If they were, they wouldn't enter/overstay illegally. If assimilating was happening, you wouldn't see any signs in Spanish either. They bring that very same culture here. I can’t even begin to explain what is wrong with your statements above and if I were would be a few pages and a couple days sp all I can say for now is “wow! You did done it!!” I agree with Mr.Oped. I married a Mexican from Mexico. He is a college Grad. Friends from college run gamut from education majors to Engineering Majors. Lots of very successful people in the group of friends. Nearly everyone is fully bilingual. Some are trilingual. It is normal for people to speak spanish in our group of friends. I do not speak spanish. It does not bother me. Usually I know enough spanish to follow the conversation. I will join the conversation in english. Usually they will switch back to english, they “forget” I don’t speak spanish. To say that these people are not fully assimilated is ridiculous. If you knew his friends and how successful they are, there is no way you would not consider that a racist statement. When I was in HS they used to consider being bilingual desirable, now people use it as a way to label people as “other”.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 8:28:12 GMT -5
We worked hard to achieve the culture we have. These people are not assimilating. If they were, they wouldn't enter/overstay illegally. If assimilating was happening, you wouldn't see any signs in Spanish either. They bring that very same culture here. You and I did nothing to achieve the culture we have. We are only the beneficiaries of it. Stop with the drama. Which has nothing to do with them assimilating, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 8:30:59 GMT -5
You and I did nothing to achieve the culture we have. We are only the beneficiaries of it. Stop with the drama. This. I’m getting pretty tired of the smug, superior attitude of people who act as if being born in the US was something they achieved. It was sheer good fortune and “there but for the grace.....” Which also has nothing to do with them assimilating. .
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We worked hard to achieve the culture we have. These people are not assimilating. If they were, they wouldn't enter/overstay illegally. If assimilating was happening, you wouldn't see any signs in Spanish either. They bring that very same culture here. Have to disagree with you about assimilation. The Irish settled in large numbers in the same area, but since they speak English the signs are English. The Italians settled and spoke Italian so some signs were in Italian The Polish settled in Chicago came and had signs in Polish and still there. The Cubans settled in Miami area and signs popped up in Spanish and are still there somewhat. The Jewish immigrants settled in NYC with signs in Hebrew, and still there. The Greeks came and had signs in Greek. Still do. Same for the Spanish surname from Puerto Rico, Mexico or central America, just wish they were all legal immigrants...... I could go on with other ethnic groups, but you get the picture. The children and grandchildren are all assimilated to American culture for the most part but still enjoy their heritage from the old country. And who among us have not enjoyed being invited to wedddings with and the dinner celebrated with some of the old customs or spend weekends visiting various ethnic celebrations with food and drink celebrated from the old country Nothing wrong with that........ Good list ! How many existing businesses changed their signs ?
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