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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jan 29, 2019 17:57:28 GMT -5
One can call the president a liar and point out all his lies without calling for his impeachment. From my recollection it's the Republicans the like to impeach someone for telling a lie, not the Dems. It wasn't for just lying. It was for lying under oath at a deposition, while president. And when will trump be deposed about russia?
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Post by justme on Jan 29, 2019 18:01:10 GMT -5
He was impeached for telling a lie. Which is what I said. Exactly. Verbatim. Felonious is not only an adjective to what was actually done (lie) it's superfluous when one has already used the word impeached. Since you enjoy quoting dictionaries so much... Impeach charge with treason or another crime against the state. charge (the holder of a public office) with misconduct. It's not superfluous when considering impeachment. You get impeached for the provable felonious action. Or Trump would of been long impeached by now. He just lies. My original comment was that calling someone a liar was not akin to calling for his impeachment. And yet you've been arguing with me that I have been? Seriously?
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 29, 2019 18:06:37 GMT -5
At times you remind me of the fable of ostriches burying their head in the sand..[not sure if that is correct but lets say it is] This way u don't have to be aware of what is really happening in our government under the so called leadership of the Donald....
It isn't true. Ostriches lay eggs in holes in the sand and stick their heads in there several times a day to turn their eggs.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jan 29, 2019 18:12:45 GMT -5
And I for one have specifically said I don't want him impeached. I want him in office, continuing to preside over the destruction of this current incarnation of the Republican Party in hopes that a new and better one will rise from the ashes. and I am on record for saying precisely the same thing. as is James Comey.
it might seem destructive at first blush, but it is the equivalent of removing a malignancy versus treating it. the malignancy will kill us more surely than the surgery.
How pray tell is removing trump going to miraculously save the gop? What would that look like, and how would it matter? Precisely? If the Mueller report shows what we think it will, how do we NOT impeach? What will that do to us as a country? What precedent does that set? What message for others who would do the same? Meanwhile - warnings are coming through that Russia is gearing up for our 2020 election. And we would shy away from removing their last effort? There are more important issues at stake than if the gop continues it's reign of error for a few more years.
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 29, 2019 18:13:30 GMT -5
What's fading is Trump's support.
56 percent of registered voters say they will 'definitely' not vote for Trump in 2020. Only 30% say they will definitely vote for him.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-a-big-warning-sign-for-trump%E2%80%99s-2020-reelection-effort-in-this-new-poll/ar-BBSTaPl
Sure, it's a long time until 2020, Trump could still cure cancer or rescue kittens from a well, but if he continues his circus act from now until then (and there is no evidence he's even capable of doing better than he's been doing) he's toast.
We don't need to impeach him. We just need to let him keep fucking his job up, and let the voters make their choices in 2020.
And I for one have specifically said I don't want him impeached. I want him in office, continuing to preside over the destruction of this current incarnation of the Republican Party in hopes that a new and better one will rise from the ashes. I don't support impeachment unless there is a very clear probability that the GOP majority in the Senate will vote to remove him. I would prefer the American voters reject him for a second term.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jan 29, 2019 22:01:38 GMT -5
Wooooo Hoooooo, Trump is MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!! At times you remind me of the fable of ostriches burying their head in the sand..[not sure if that is correct but lets say it is] This way u don't have to be aware of what is really happening in our government under the so called leadership of the Donald.... And it is not "fake news"...it's the actuality of what is happening...example is the government shutdown and Donald saying he will take the blame for that as he said on TV straight at the Democrat Senator...that he tried to back out of and then blame the Dems after realizing or being told by GOP leadership...taking the blame was stupid...sorry to late . Or in the ratings by BBC , posted here, a impartial observer, no axe to grind, Calls false his claims of greatest boost to economy and employment by far country has ever seen...shown while employment is good it is just following in the steps of his predecessor….and ranking as most disliked POTUS in our country ever or close to it... so Woooo Hooooo to u...suggest take your head out of the sand , look around and admit your backing a loser...plus a disturbed one too...nothing to Wooo Hooo about...something to and about. And one under Trump's leadership, allowed my wallet to grow much fatter this year,, I haven't got the book keeping back yet,, but it looks and feels like my best year ever,, Woooooo Hooooo, Trump is Making America Great Again!!
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Post by tallguy on Jan 29, 2019 22:05:44 GMT -5
For whom?
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Post by OldCoyote on Jan 29, 2019 22:14:21 GMT -5
Me and the people I work with,, but then again, I wasn't sittng on my ass waiting for more free shit,, see how it works!
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Post by tallguy on Jan 29, 2019 22:18:36 GMT -5
Neither are or were the vast majority of the ones seeing this president as an embarrassment to the country. Which, by the way, is a much larger number than those who support him.
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Post by ednkris on Jan 29, 2019 22:23:59 GMT -5
Me and the people I work with,, but then again, I wasn't sittng on my ass waiting for more free shit,, see how it works! Same here, company expanded (thanks tax cuts). Nice raise and bonus last year, looks like a nice bonus this year. The past 8 years no bonus 1-2% raises.
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Post by ednkris on Jan 29, 2019 22:27:40 GMT -5
Neither are or were the vast majority of the ones seeing this president as an embarrassment to the country. Which, by the way, is a much larger number than those who support him. Is that the same majority that didn't think Trump would win? Yea i won't hold my breath on anything that majority thinks this country needs. Now dammit i feel the need to watch the youtube videos of election nite again i will be up all nite laughing
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Post by tallguy on Jan 29, 2019 22:37:17 GMT -5
Neither are or were the vast majority of the ones seeing this president as an embarrassment to the country. Which, by the way, is a much larger number than those who support him. Is that the same majority that didn't think Trump would win? Yea i won't hold my breath on anything that majority thinks this country needs. Now dammit i feel the need to watch the youtube videos of election nite again i will be up all nite laughing You do realize that national polls were measuring the popular vote nationwide, right? Trump did lose the popular vote, and the better polls were almost exactly correct on the margin. Some of the state polls were off, but you cannot win an argument by suggesting that the national polls in general were way off. That is flatly false. And if Trump were doing such a wonderful job for most of this country, why does a solid majority say they "definitely" will not vote for him? Finally, why did it take you so long to notice you had misread the other thread? I pointed it out to you even before you doubled down on being wrong. Kudos though on finally admitting that you missed it.
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Post by phil5185 on Jan 29, 2019 22:37:43 GMT -5
We don't need to impeach him. We just need to let him keep fucking his job up, and let the voters make their choices in 2020.
I'm (R), I agree and I hope to have that same opportunity. And then again in 2024. IMO, there are less Extreme Leftists than the pollsters think - ie, if you sample only the Far Left, of course the polls will be skewed Left. Plus the Think Tank college prof's (Far Left) that design the questions, and score the answers, are impartial, they can't help themselves.
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Post by tallguy on Jan 29, 2019 22:42:07 GMT -5
We don't need to impeach him. We just need to let him keep fucking his job up, and let the voters make their choices in 2020.
I'm (R), I agree and I hope to have that same opportunity. And then again in 2024. IMO, there are less Extreme Leftists than the pollsters think - ie, if you sample only the Far Left, of course the polls will be skewed Left. Plus the Think Tank college prof's (Far Left) that design the questions, and score the answers, are impartial, they can't help themselves.
Isn't being impartial a good thing?
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Post by ednkris on Jan 29, 2019 22:51:59 GMT -5
Is that the same majority that didn't think Trump would win? Yea i won't hold my breath on anything that majority thinks this country needs. Now dammit i feel the need to watch the youtube videos of election nite again i will be up all nite laughing You do realize that national polls were measuring the popular vote nationwide, right? Trump did lose the popular vote, and the better polls were almost exactly correct on the margin. Some of the state polls were off, but you cannot win an argument by suggesting that the national polls in general were way off. That is flatly false. And if Trump were doing such a wonderful job for most of this country, why does a solid majority say they "definitely" will not vote for him? Finally, why did it take you so long to notice you had misread the other thread? I pointed it out to you even before you doubled down on being wrong. Kudos though on finally admitting that you missed it. I wouldnt be counting on that solid majority that definitely will not vote for him. We will see next year
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Post by tallguy on Jan 29, 2019 23:01:10 GMT -5
You do realize that national polls were measuring the popular vote nationwide, right? Trump did lose the popular vote, and the better polls were almost exactly correct on the margin. Some of the state polls were off, but you cannot win an argument by suggesting that the national polls in general were way off. That is flatly false. And if Trump were doing such a wonderful job for most of this country, why does a solid majority say they "definitely" will not vote for him? Finally, why did it take you so long to notice you had misread the other thread? I pointed it out to you even before you doubled down on being wrong. Kudos though on finally admitting that you missed it. I wouldnt be counting on that solid majority that definitely will not vote for him. We will see next year The point is that for those who think Trump is doing great things either right now or so far, the majority of the American people strongly disagree.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 29, 2019 23:06:53 GMT -5
I wouldnt be counting on that solid majority that definitely will not vote for him. We will see next year The point is that for those who think Trump is doing great things either right now or so far, the majority of the American people strongly disagree. It reminds me of Jonestown. Everyone else could see that following that guy was Not A Good Idea!
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Post by dondub on Jan 29, 2019 23:26:44 GMT -5
I'm still hoping that when the Mueller report comes out Trump will be Nixxoned out of the White House as the Repo-Cons realize if they want to keep their jobs they better grow a set and fast. in the meantime the Demos in Congress should try and do 'stuff' that moves the American people forward.
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Post by dezii on Jan 30, 2019 1:02:34 GMT -5
Me and the people I work with,, but then again, I wasn't sittng on my ass waiting for more free shit,, see how it works! I understand u find happiness in how large your wallet is...something along the same as the Donald... Folks I know and associate with , and many quite comfortable... [they don't use the word rich...comfortable suits hem...Example : Purchased home on Martha's Vineyard....gutted and rebuilt it...swimming pool and all...as second home...now thats comfortable] These have great empathy for those in need...give generously to help and work too for their benefits...unlike the Donald who claims he is generous to those in need but has been found that really isn't that generous no matter what he claims...unless hounded by media...the one million $ for veterans...never actually paid till media investigation of , found check NOT sent......and only then check was sent out. Wouldn't be surprised if u emulate the same behavior...naturally no way of knowing just wondering and believing.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 30, 2019 1:28:06 GMT -5
We don't need to impeach him. We just need to let him keep fucking his job up, and let the voters make their choices in 2020.
I'm (R), I agree and I hope to have that same opportunity. And then again in 2024. I can guarantee you won't have that SAME opportunity in 2024.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 30, 2019 1:32:17 GMT -5
and I am on record for saying precisely the same thing. as is James Comey.
it might seem destructive at first blush, but it is the equivalent of removing a malignancy versus treating it. the malignancy will kill us more surely than the surgery.
How pray tell is removing trump going to miraculously save the gop? What would that look like, and how would it matter? Precisely? If the Mueller report shows what we think it will, how do we NOT impeach? What will that do to us as a country? What precedent does that set? What message for others who would do the same? Meanwhile - warnings are coming through that Russia is gearing up for our 2020 election. And we would shy away from removing their last effort? There are more important issues at stake than if the gop continues it's reign of error for a few more years. I see your point, but I really want to see the American public do in 2020 what it should have done in 2016. otherwise, I will NEVER be convinced that we have learned a damned thing.
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Post by Value Buy on Jan 30, 2019 6:10:36 GMT -5
I'm still hoping that when the Mueller report comes out Trump will be Nixxoned out of the White House as the Repo-Cons realize if they want to keep their jobs they better grow a set and fast. in the meantime the Demos in Congress should try and do 'stuff' that moves the American people forward. Hope is all you have. Look at Stone's actual indictment. There is nothing there to tie Trump to anything. Everyone claims Trump and all his people are as stupid as a rock and yet everything thrown against the wall that sticks has nothing to show any collusion. Either these people are as stupid as you claim or so diabolical clever eveyone has underestimated them. Which is it? Based on the indictment charges, I think Mueller will be wrapping this up fast now. Not quite sure what NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, CNN, NY Times, and Washington Post will do after this. One thing they will not do is suggest maybe the Justice Department should look at Clinton, the Democratic party, and the FBI and the collusion they had with Russia as well as media's releasing articles daily claiming collusion which they knew their sources and reporters were making up with not a lick of proof of anything. Mueller could have a field day and wrap that one up in six months with some serious indictments.
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 30, 2019 8:43:14 GMT -5
We don't need to impeach him. We just need to let him keep fucking his job up, and let the voters make their choices in 2020.
I'm (R), I agree and I hope to have that same opportunity. And then again in 2024. IMO, there are less Extreme Leftists than the pollsters think - ie, if you sample only the Far Left, of course the polls will be skewed Left. Plus the Think Tank college prof's (Far Left) that design the questions, and score the answers, are impartial, they can't help themselves.
That's why you look at a lot of polls, not just one. Rasmussen, for instance, tends to skew to the right. Others skew to the left. So let's look at a site that analyzes a bunch of poll data and see how what Trump's approval ratings are right now.
Here is 538, with their accumulated poll data, showing Trump's current approval rating sits at 39.8%. Almost at his all time low, but not quite.
projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo
When he first took office, he was at 45.5, but he's been south of that ever since. Unless he finally figures out a way to appeal to voters who aren't in his core dedicated support group, or unless the Dems screw up and run a wildly unpopular candidate in 2020, how do you figure Trump will get a second term? His old buddies the Russian figure out a way to disrupt the election again?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 9:23:12 GMT -5
It wasn't for just lying. It was for lying under oath at a deposition, while president. And when will trump be deposed about russia? When there is evidence of him doing something. Sadly lacking for some.
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Post by swamp on Jan 30, 2019 9:30:06 GMT -5
I'm still hoping that when the Mueller report comes out Trump will be Nixxoned out of the White House as the Repo-Cons realize if they want to keep their jobs they better grow a set and fast. in the meantime the Demos in Congress should try and do 'stuff' that moves the American people forward. Hope is all you have. Look at Stone's actual indictment. There is nothing there to tie Trump to anything. Everyone claims Trump and all his people are as stupid as a rock and yet everything thrown against the wall that sticks has nothing to show any collusion. Either these people are as stupid as you claim or so diabolical clever eveyone has underestimated them. Which is it? Based on the indictment charges, I think Mueller will be wrapping this up fast now. Not quite sure what NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, CNN, NY Times, and Washington Post will do after this. One thing they will not do is suggest maybe the Justice Department should look at Clinton, the Democratic party, and the FBI and the collusion they had with Russia as well as media's releasing articles daily claiming collusion which they knew their sources and reporters were making up with not a lick of proof of anything. Mueller could have a field day and wrap that one up in six months with some serious indictments. There is nothing there that doesn't tie him either. Stone was directed to act by a senior member of Trump's campaign. It could be Trump, it could be someone else. Trump very well could be an unindicted co-conspirator at this time. It's standard practice not to name other people in an indictment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 9:30:44 GMT -5
It's not superfluous when considering impeachment. You get impeached for the provable felonious action. Or Trump would of been long impeached by now. He just lies. My original comment was that calling someone a liar was not akin to calling for his impeachment. And yet you've been arguing with me that I have been? Seriously? I was stating my opinion on what you said. Good chance we're not understanding each other. I don't personally attack anyone, unless they do it first. I apologize if it came across that way You said "republicans like to impeach somebody for telling a lie" My opinion is that they do not. It has to be connected to a serious crime, a felony, to have merit for impeachment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 9:44:44 GMT -5
You do realize that national polls were measuring the popular vote nationwide, right? Trump did lose the popular vote, and the better polls were almost exactly correct on the margin. Some of the state polls were off, but you cannot win an argument by suggesting that the national polls in general were way off. That is flatly false. And if Trump were doing such a wonderful job for most of this country, why does a solid majority say they "definitely" will not vote for him? Finally, why did it take you so long to notice you had misread the other thread? I pointed it out to you even before you doubled down on being wrong. Kudos though on finally admitting that you missed it. I wouldnt be counting on that solid majority that definitely will not vote for him. We will see next year Wasn't that long ago (2016), when we had polls showing his loss.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jan 30, 2019 9:47:53 GMT -5
And when will trump be deposed about russia? When there is evidence of him doing something. Sadly lacking for some. You really don't know how legal proceedings work? trump would ordinarily have been deposed quite some time ago just based on the actions of close associates in a common enterprise - even if there was no suspicion on him whatsoever. If a CFO pulled off a huge embezzlement - you think the CEO is not deposed? You think cases are put together without anyone except the perpetrators questioned? What do you think a deposition is, exactly? How about if the CFO did a huge embezzlement and the funds were used to benefit the CEO mightily. The CEO says "I didn't know CFO did that" and that is the end - no deposition? No, that is not how cases are investigated and it's pretty hilarious how trump evading questioning that any other citizen or president would have done ages ago to try to clear their names is taken as evidence of his innocence by some.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 9:54:30 GMT -5
When there is evidence of him doing something. Sadly lacking for some. You really don't know how legal proceedings work? trump would ordinarily have been deposed quite some time ago just based on the actions of close associates in a common enterprise - even if there was no suspicion on him whatsoever. If a CFO pulled off a huge embezzlement - you think the CEO is not deposed? You think cases are put together without anyone except the perpetrators questioned? What do you think a deposition is, exactly? How about if the CFO did a huge embezzlement and the funds were used to benefit the CEO mightily. The CEO says "I didn't know CFO did that" and that is the end - no deposition? No, that is not how cases are investigated and it's pretty hilarious how trump evading questioning that any other citizen or president would have done ages ago to try to clear their names is taken as evidence of his innocence by some. You don't know anything about me. Your comparison story is naive.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 10:00:20 GMT -5
I think I would be aware if I deleted a post. Honestly ?
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