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Post by OldCoyote on Jan 29, 2019 8:46:25 GMT -5
We have Trump now responsible for all 10,000 employees like he personal hired each one,,,, Yet,,, We had Hillary, one of the World's smartest Lawyers,,,, that did not know she should not be using an unsecured server for top secret emails,, go figure.
Yet Ivanka decided to do the exact same thing only a short time later. She must be a super genius. Ivanka, is pretty fixture in the White House,, similar to a a portrait,
Hillary on the other hand was " One Of The Smartest Lawyers In the World" (snicker),,,,,,,,,
Annnd Happened to be SOS!!!That didn't know it was bad to use an unsecured server when receiving and sending top secret emails!
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Post by OldCoyote on Jan 29, 2019 8:50:52 GMT -5
As far as I am concerned ,, you can have all the drugs you want! If everyone is entitled to have all the drugs they want then what's your problem? We don't need a wall. OK, lets tear down the existing wall since it does no good, sell it for scrap iron, get rid of ICE,, abolish the Border Patrol. just open the borders then,,,, What possibly could happen??
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Post by andi9899 on Jan 29, 2019 9:04:31 GMT -5
Are you seriously trying to equate illegally falsifying documents to hire immigrants for below standard wages to sending an email? Sub standard pay? how much were they being paid? and 2. sending and receiving top secret emails that could jeopardize National concerns, is less than hiring illegals? Who falsified the documents? you wouldn't mean that the people that filled out the job app, might not have listed the fact they were illegal, when they give you a fake D.L. and S.S. number? That's the whole reason they were hired. So that they could be paid less money and offered no benefits. They're cheap labor. You know that's why you hire them. And some of the now ex employees have straight up told that DT's illegal staff were handed falsified documents so that they could work there. You have no one to blame but your fearless leader. Well, and yourself.
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Post by andi9899 on Jan 29, 2019 9:10:28 GMT -5
If everyone is entitled to have all the drugs they want then what's your problem? We don't need a wall. OK, lets tear down the existing wall since it does no good, sell it for scrap iron, get rid of ICE,, abolish the Border Patrol. just open the borders then,,,, What possibly could happen??
No one has even remotely suggested all that. Stop being so dramatic. Honestly, do you really think a drug smuggler is going to say "Damn. They have a wall now. Oh well, the millions we made were nice while it lasted. Let's figure out some other way to make money." If you do, you're more dense than I originally thought. Why would it not be more conducive to fund more border patrol, better technology, and more immigration judges? Please actually answer the question since it's the umpteenth time someone's asked you to explain your logic and yet you still can't.
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Post by Value Buy on Jan 29, 2019 12:26:55 GMT -5
Yep. But then that was not the point of his post. It is the corruption that is still there today. It has to be obvious to everyone here Mexico does not want to keep the migrants out of their country. It is a boon to their country economically charging the migrants as they go along their merry way. Those busses and massive semis are not going north on "feel good deeds" via Mexican drivers everyday. The south border of Mexico was left wide open at night to allow migrants to walk into Mexico with this caravan until Fox news contacted the government and asked why no one was on duty. And yes, there was a reporter there at the time showing them walking right through gate entrance. It used to happen here too. I live on the border. I used to smuggle alcohol into the US on a regular basis. It's not the same. A wall won't do what you want it to do. Are you Canadian? People in the midwest always carry their alcohol provisions INTO Canada because Canadian prices were so expensive. Or so friends and family have said this.......
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 13:00:49 GMT -5
If everyone is entitled to have all the drugs they want then what's your problem? We don't need a wall. OK, lets tear down the existing wall since it does no good, sell it for scrap iron, get rid of ICE,, abolish the Border Patrol. just open the borders then,,,, What possibly could happen??
More votes for Democrats ?
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Post by laterbloomer on Jan 29, 2019 13:01:31 GMT -5
As a feminist my instinct is to blast you for this...but it's so true
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Post by swamp on Jan 29, 2019 14:37:20 GMT -5
It used to happen here too. I live on the border. I used to smuggle alcohol into the US on a regular basis. It's not the same. A wall won't do what you want it to do. Are you Canadian? People in the midwest always carry their alcohol provisions INTO Canada because Canadian prices were so expensive. Or so friends and family have said this....... No. I live in Upstate NY. drinking age in Ontario and Quebec is 19 and 18 respectively
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 29, 2019 14:41:36 GMT -5
If everyone is entitled to have all the drugs they want then what's your problem? We don't need a wall. OK, lets tear down the existing wall since it does no good, sell it for scrap iron, get rid of ICE,, abolish the Border Patrol. just open the borders then,,,, What possibly could happen??
Hyperbole is not very productive.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jan 29, 2019 21:48:56 GMT -5
OK, lets tear down the existing wall since it does no good, sell it for scrap iron, get rid of ICE,, abolish the Border Patrol. just open the borders then,,,, What possibly could happen??
No one has even remotely suggested all that. Stop being so dramatic. Honestly, do you really think a drug smuggler is going to say "Damn. They have a wall now. Oh well, the millions we made were nice while it lasted. Let's figure out some other way to make money." If you do, you're more dense than I originally thought. Why would it not be more conducive to fund more border patrol, better technology, and more immigration judges? Please actually answer the question since it's the umpteenth time someone's asked you to explain your logic and yet you still can't. We are already spending billions of $$$$ on Border Patrol, and services,, it is not working,, So we spend more on something that is not working,, then as the the employees age,, here comes the pensions for a huge amount of money. for something that is not working now!
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 30, 2019 1:41:47 GMT -5
edit: red herring.
this is the second time you brought this up.
the CEO is responsible for hiring practices. the buck stops there. period.
question: will you ever blame Trump for anything?
We have Trump now responsible for all 10,000 employees like he personal hired each one,,,, Yet,,, We had Hillary, one of the World's smartest Lawyers,,,, that did not know she should not be using an unsecured server for top secret emails,, go figure.
that sounded like a NO to me.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 30, 2019 1:48:02 GMT -5
Are you seriously trying to equate illegally falsifying documents to hire immigrants for below standard wages to sending an email? Sub standard pay? how much were they being paid? and 2. sending and receiving top secret emails that could jeopardize National concerns, is less than hiring illegals?
red herring. there is no evidence that ANY of HC's emails jeopardized national security.
so the real question is "is nothing less concerning than hiring illegal aliens?", and clearly the answer to that is yes.
as far as what they are paid, you can find that out. it is fairly well researched, and depends on the trade. the rough answer is: less than US citizens are willing to work for and/or is required by law.
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Post by andi9899 on Jan 30, 2019 8:33:58 GMT -5
No one has even remotely suggested all that. Stop being so dramatic. Honestly, do you really think a drug smuggler is going to say "Damn. They have a wall now. Oh well, the millions we made were nice while it lasted. Let's figure out some other way to make money." If you do, you're more dense than I originally thought. Why would it not be more conducive to fund more border patrol, better technology, and more immigration judges? Please actually answer the question since it's the umpteenth time someone's asked you to explain your logic and yet you still can't. We are already spending billions of $$$$ on Border Patrol, and services,, it is not working,, So we spend more on something that is not working,, then as the the employees age,, here comes the pensions for a huge amount of money. for something that is not working now!
Because what's in place is overwhelmed and antiquated. Why not update systems and introduce state of the art technology? Why not add more border patrol and judges and people to process asylum applications? You know, putting Americans to work. How is a stupid wall going to do anything but cost money. Even after the initial cost of construction it's going to have to be maintained. And when not if it's breached, it's going to have to be repaired. Again I ask you to tell us all exactly how this wall is going to seal off America. I'm still waiting. What miracle will a wall provide?
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Post by OldCoyote on Jan 30, 2019 10:32:39 GMT -5
Sub standard pay? how much were they being paid? and 2. sending and receiving top secret emails that could jeopardize National concerns, is less than hiring illegals?
red herring. there is no evidence that ANY of HC's emails jeopardized national security.
so the real question is "is nothing less concerning than hiring illegal aliens?", and clearly the answer to that is yes.
as far as what they are paid, you can find that out. it is fairly well researched, and depends on the trade. the rough answer is: less than US citizens are willing to work for and/or is required by law.
Since I work around the illegals, I do not know of a single Illegal that is being paid less than MW, and in most cases are paid the same as the legal workers, one of the common jobs, the pay range is $10.50 to $18.00 an hour, depending how good you are at your work!
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Post by andi9899 on Jan 30, 2019 10:41:06 GMT -5
red herring. there is no evidence that ANY of HC's emails jeopardized national security.
so the real question is "is nothing less concerning than hiring illegal aliens?", and clearly the answer to that is yes.
as far as what they are paid, you can find that out. it is fairly well researched, and depends on the trade. the rough answer is: less than US citizens are willing to work for and/or is required by law.
Since I work around the illegals, I do not know of a single Illegal that is being paid less than MW, and in most cases are paid the same as the legal workers, one of the common jobs, the pay range is $10.50 to $18.00 an hour, depending how good you are at your work!
I call BS. I could go to a certain stretch of road any given day and pick up an illegal and get work done for much less than a contractor would charge if I paid cash.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jan 30, 2019 10:50:32 GMT -5
Since I work around the illegals, I do not know of a single Illegal that is being paid less than MW, and in most cases are paid the same as the legal workers, one of the common jobs, the pay range is $10.50 to $18.00 an hour, depending how good you are at your work!
I call BS. I could go to a certain stretch of road any given day and pick up an illegal and get work done for much less than a contractor would charge if I paid cash. You can do the same thing with someone that is not Illegal!!
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Post by OldCoyote on Jan 30, 2019 10:53:45 GMT -5
Here is the best part Andi, if you hire an illegal or even a legal person of Latino heritage,
As am old White man , act like you don't understand Spanish,, listen to the interesting comments!
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Post by andi9899 on Jan 30, 2019 11:14:53 GMT -5
Still waiting for you to tell me what miracle this wall is going to accomplish and how.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 30, 2019 18:56:37 GMT -5
red herring. there is no evidence that ANY of HC's emails jeopardized national security.
so the real question is "is nothing less concerning than hiring illegal aliens?", and clearly the answer to that is yes.
as far as what they are paid, you can find that out. it is fairly well researched, and depends on the trade. the rough answer is: less than US citizens are willing to work for and/or is required by law.
Since I work around the illegals, I do not know of a single Illegal that is being paid less than MW, and in most cases are paid the same as the legal workers, one of the common jobs, the pay range is $10.50 to $18.00 an hour, depending how good you are at your work!
if you knew that, then why did you ask what they were paid?
PS- if you read what i said CLOSELY i didn't say that they were not paid FMW. but, of course, you didn't. you just like to argue points that are not being made.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 30, 2019 18:57:25 GMT -5
I call BS. I could go to a certain stretch of road any given day and pick up an illegal and get work done for much less than a contractor would charge if I paid cash. You can do the same thing with someone that is not Illegal!! really? i would like to see you prove that.
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Post by andi9899 on Jan 30, 2019 19:03:38 GMT -5
Since I work around the illegals, I do not know of a single Illegal that is being paid less than MW, and in most cases are paid the same as the legal workers, one of the common jobs, the pay range is $10.50 to $18.00 an hour, depending how good you are at your work!
if you knew that, then why did you ask what they were paid?
PS- if you read what i said CLOSELY i didn't say that they were not paid FMW. but, of course, you didn't. you just like to argue points that are not being made.
While also refusing to substantiate his own claims with fact.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 30, 2019 21:21:33 GMT -5
if you knew that, then why did you ask what they were paid?
PS- if you read what i said CLOSELY i didn't say that they were not paid FMW. but, of course, you didn't. you just like to argue points that are not being made.
While also refusing to substantiate his own claims with fact. unfortunately, a common practice on this board.
I really like specifics, but the only thing I get when I ask for them are anecdotes, ie:
"my relatives...." "my gardener...."
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Post by OldCoyote on Jan 30, 2019 22:28:09 GMT -5
You can do the same thing with someone that is not Illegal!! really? i would like to see you prove that. All I need to do is go to a Home depot, You can have legal and illegal there, you don't know which is which. Speaking better English is usually a tip off.
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Post by andi9899 on Jan 30, 2019 22:33:17 GMT -5
Still waiting for justification from you for the wall. You ever going to answer.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jan 30, 2019 22:50:15 GMT -5
Since I work around the illegals, I do not know of a single Illegal that is being paid less than MW, and in most cases are paid the same as the legal workers, one of the common jobs, the pay range is $10.50 to $18.00 an hour, depending how good you are at your work!
if you knew that, then why did you ask what they were paid?
PS- if you read what i said CLOSELY i didn't say that they were not paid FMW. but, of course, you didn't. you just like to argue points that are not being made.
DJ, I didn't say I knew what Trump's employee are paid, I only stated what the people around me are paid.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jan 30, 2019 22:56:55 GMT -5
Still waiting for justification from you for the wall. You ever going to answer. I was looking for the picture of the Border on Google Earth,, It showed a gate similar to a cattle gate,, that was standing wide open,,,, No Border Patrol. But, the picture of the wide open gate apparently has been removed,,, Sigh!! Besides the gate, it was a run down barbed wire fence,,, That will certainly keep them out!
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 30, 2019 22:58:37 GMT -5
if you knew that, then why did you ask what they were paid?
PS- if you read what i said CLOSELY i didn't say that they were not paid FMW. but, of course, you didn't. you just like to argue points that are not being made.
DJ, I didn't say I knew what Trump's employee are paid, I only stated what the people around me are paid. Why should we listen to anything you say? You're the guy who said he hires illegals, doesn't pay them, and dumps them in the desert.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 30, 2019 23:01:23 GMT -5
Still waiting for justification from you for the wall. You ever going to answer. I was looking for the picture of the Border on Google Earth,, It showed a gate similar to a cattle gate,, that was standing wide open,,,, No Border Patrol. But, the picture of the wide open gate apparently has been removed,,, Sigh!! Besides the gate, it was a run down barbed wire fence,,, That will certainly keep them out!
That wasn't a justification. You're avoiding the question. Furthermore, your own family and friends came to the US illegally, and stayed long enough to get their papers.You're A OK with it. Why is it OK for your loved ones and nobody else? Hypocrisy at the finest.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jan 30, 2019 23:10:17 GMT -5
I was looking for the picture of the Border on Google Earth,, It showed a gate similar to a cattle gate,, that was standing wide open,,,, No Border Patrol. But, the picture of the wide open gate apparently has been removed,,, Sigh!! Besides the gate, it was a run down barbed wire fence,,, That will certainly keep them out!
That wasn't a justification. You're avoiding the question. Furthermore, your own family and friends came to the US illegally, and stayed long enough to get their papers.You're A OK with it. Why is it OK for your loved ones and nobody else? Hypocrisy at the finest. It Is Good For Me Welts! But for the ones that are not my family and friends,, Tomorrow will be,, pick them up, work the Hell out of them,, no food or water,, drop them off at ICE,, works really well for me!!
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 30, 2019 23:13:51 GMT -5
Disgusting and abhorrent. Just what I expected from you.
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