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Post by OldCoyote on Jan 26, 2019 9:48:08 GMT -5
Well it is now in the Democrats court to get something done, Trump conceded, Now it is their ball,,, good luck with that! From this point on every person killed by an illegal,,, When , not if there is a terrorist attack on U.S. soil, and it will happen, it is on the Democrats for the failure to secure the border!
I'd say it's on President Trump.....he didn't get Mexico to pay for his wall! Trump backed off, conceded the point , now it is in the Democrat ball court,, From this point on every person killed by an Illegal ,,, and like I said else where, the next terrorist attack, which will happen, it is only a matter of time, is on them!
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Post by laterbloomer on Jan 26, 2019 9:50:52 GMT -5
No and No. Trump still needs to agree to a long term funding deal. This isn't a case where he let government reopen so now he get $5.7 billion. Exaggerating every crime committed by an illegal is not going to fly. Why not the Demo, are the ones against the wall, open borders, take everyone in,
then tell me that a couple of drones will do the same thing!
The options are not a wall or a couple of drones. So stop that nonsense. And it has already been established that a wall will not stop illegal immigration and most criminal activity goes by sea or air. The standard is is there less illegal immigration and from all the reports I've been reading that's already true.
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Post by tbop77 on Jan 26, 2019 9:51:59 GMT -5
Well it is now in the Democrats court to get something done, Trump conceded, Now it is their ball,,, good luck with that! From this point on every person killed by an illegal,,, When , not if there is a terrorist attack on U.S. soil, and it will happen, it is on the Democrats for the failure to secure the border!
exactly he opened their pandoras box. This might get real ugly in about a month. Here is a very real possibility. Once some bad shit happens from an illegal (although i wouldnt put it past the republicans to stage either) he will claim an state of emergency and fund the wall. White House will get sued it will make its way to the supreme court and the funding will get upheld. Would have been easier on the dems if they would give trump the money and settled for something he would be willing to give them. Now it is going to get ugly More than likely, they will learn that he can't do an end run around Congress to fund his campaign promise.....then, he can go to his rally's and say "I tried, we need more Republicans in Congress"
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Post by OldCoyote on Jan 26, 2019 9:53:31 GMT -5
If they know the criminal activity by sea or air,,,, Why haven't they stopped it??
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Post by oped on Jan 26, 2019 9:55:27 GMT -5
Actually many democrats have spoken well and loudly about their support for comprehensive border security... something they voted for years ago but the freedom caucus shut down years ago... if you aren't hearing them... maybe you should branch out on your media. Actually watch or read some news? Instead of propaganda talking heads spewing bullshit...
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Post by laterbloomer on Jan 26, 2019 9:55:37 GMT -5
If they know the criminal activity by sea or air,,,, Why haven't they stopped it?? LOL They're working on it. But your guy has had government shut down so it's been slow going.
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Post by oped on Jan 26, 2019 9:56:39 GMT -5
This whole thread is actually spin trying to divert from the fact that Trump signed a deal he could have had a month ago with no shut down... he gained not a wit, although the dems did ad a few things.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jan 26, 2019 10:02:56 GMT -5
If every thing is working so well, no need for a wall, how comes there are some many illegals in this country, and no shortage shortage of illegal drugs,,,,
please notice that Trump seems to be the first that is actually trying to stop this ,, and the Demos seem to want to keep letting it happen,,, Does not any one on the Left care if the Illegals continue to kill people,, I mean you want to keep those borders open??
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Post by tbop77 on Jan 26, 2019 10:05:39 GMT -5
Because this is all a strategy on his part! I mean, if he couldn't get his wall when he had control of Congress, did he really think he could with a divided government? He shut down the government and used federal employees as pawns and now (according to Sarah Sanders's tweets) if he doesn't get his wall in 3 weeks, he will call a national emergency. They have to know that won't work. Then, he can keep his base all riled up this year and next at his rallys and blame everything on the DEMS.
Maybe in 2024 they can run BOZO the clown and complete the circus they seem to enjoy!
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Post by laterbloomer on Jan 26, 2019 10:08:32 GMT -5
If every thing is working so well, no need for a wall, how comes there are some many illegals in this country, and no shortage shortage of illegal drugs,,,,
please notice that Trump seems to be the first that is actually trying to stop this ,, and the Demos seem to want to keep letting it happen,,, Does not any one on the Left care if the Illegals continue to kill people,, I mean you want to keep those borders open??
Okay, I've suspected it but now I know, you're just trolling.
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Post by laterbloomer on Jan 26, 2019 10:11:09 GMT -5
The Republicans have been saying the Democrats are soft on crime forever. It's a straight up lie. This is just another version of that.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 26, 2019 10:20:57 GMT -5
If every thing is working so well, no need for a wall, how comes there are some many illegals in this country, and no shortage shortage of illegal drugs,,,,
please notice that Trump seems to be the first that is actually trying to stop this ,, and the Demos seem to want to keep letting it happen,,, Does not any one on the Left care if the Illegals continue to kill people,, I mean you want to keep those borders open??
Okay, I've suspected it but now I know, you're just trolling. We've known that for quite some time.
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Post by tbop77 on Jan 26, 2019 10:21:15 GMT -5
If every thing is working so well, no need for a wall, how comes there are some many illegals in this country, and no shortage shortage of illegal drugs,,,,
please notice that Trump seems to be the first that is actually trying to stop this ,, and the Demos seem to want to keep letting it happen,,, Does not any one on the Left care if the Illegals continue to kill people,, I mean you want to keep those borders open??
Do you feel as strongly about the Big Pharm companies encouraging doctors to prescribe pain killers? Has any executive been arrested? They are killing and creating more crime in this country but I don't hear you moaning about that! Hey, he could fine those companies enough to pay for his wall!
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Post by laterbloomer on Jan 26, 2019 10:22:48 GMT -5
Okay, I've suspected it but now I know, you're just trolling. We've known that for quite some time. Hey, I haven't been back that long!
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 26, 2019 10:51:09 GMT -5
... When , not if there is a terrorist attack on U.S. soil, and it will happen, it is on the Democrats for the failure to secure the border! "Damn, they built a wall on the Southern Border. Now there is no way to get into the United States. Oh well". Words that will never be said by any terrorist organization anytime anywhere.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 26, 2019 11:31:16 GMT -5
Had there been an inpenatrable wall along the entire length of the U.S./Mexico border, the nineteen 9/11 hijackers would never have been able to crash planes into U.S. buildings.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 26, 2019 11:43:55 GMT -5
Will admit I e logged onto 538 several times today to view the 56 to 39.3 aggregate... it does make me smile it has been plummeting for weeks. five, to be precise.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 26, 2019 11:44:52 GMT -5
How is he even getting 38% approval? the same way he won in 2016.
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Post by oped on Jan 26, 2019 11:45:51 GMT -5
90% of the drugs come though legal checkpoints... which is why dems want to invest in drug detection tech and not a wall.
40% of illegals come legally and overstay their visa which is why dems want to invest in database and tracking tech rather than a wall.
Et fucking cetera.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 26, 2019 11:46:02 GMT -5
Trump is ready to give up on the wall while declaring victory. People who are against the wall are for border security so in 3 weeks he will have stopped saying wall or fence and has already started saying border security. He will be offer money for security and declare victor without a cent for a wall. do you really believe that?
really?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 26, 2019 11:47:57 GMT -5
Well it is now in the Democrats court to get something done, Trump conceded, Now it is their ball,,, good luck with that!
I have little doubt that they will get something done.
then it will be back in Mitch's court.
good luck with that.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 26, 2019 11:50:55 GMT -5
Well it is now in the Democrats court to get something done, Trump conceded, Now it is their ball,,, good luck with that! From this point on every person killed by an illegal,,, When , not if there is a terrorist attack on U.S. soil, and it will happen, it is on the Democrats for the failure to secure the border!
exactly he opened their pandoras box. This might get real ugly in about a month. Here is a very real possibility. Once some bad shit happens from an illegal (although i wouldnt put it past the republicans to stage either) he will claim an state of emergency and fund the wall. he will probably do it anyway, if he doesn't get something.
and actually, that would be the best gift imaginable for Democrats.
1) they would not have to WILLINGLY yield ONE DIME for Trump's vanity project 2) Trump would run by decree, which is really unpopular with American voters 3) the shutdown would be completely off the table
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 26, 2019 11:52:38 GMT -5
No and No. Trump still needs to agree to a long term funding deal. This isn't a case where he let government reopen so now he get $5.7 billion. Exaggerating every crime committed by an illegal is not going to fly. Why not the Demo, are the ones against the wall, open borders, take everyone in,
ok, I am calling BS on that one. I have heard it one too many times:
name me ONE Democrat that wants "open borders, take everyone in"
ONE.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 26, 2019 11:55:36 GMT -5
Why not the Demo, are the ones against the wall, open borders, take everyone in,
then tell me that a couple of drones will do the same thing!
The options are not a wall or a couple of drones. So stop that nonsense. And it has already been established that a wall will not stop illegal immigration and most criminal activity goes by sea or air. The standard is is there less illegal immigration and from all the reports I've been reading that's already true. illegal migration is at a 50 year low.
furthermore, the description Trump gives of "Mexico sending their worst" is utterly repulsive and inaccurate. most migrants come from South of Mexico. and these days, they are DISPROPORTIONATELY women and children, seeking refuge.
in other words, we are turning away folks who are arriving in smaller numbers than any time in our lifetimes, and for better reason.
but Trump does have one thing right: it is a humanitarian crisis. and he is creating it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 26, 2019 11:57:16 GMT -5
If they know the criminal activity by sea or air,,,, Why haven't they stopped it?? I could be a wiseass and say that the government workers responsible for this were recently furlowed, but the truth is that those that smuggle drugs are more clever than our detection systems.
so yeah, if you want to fix this problem, you know where to spend the money. and it is not on a wall.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 26, 2019 11:59:25 GMT -5
If every thing is working so well, no need for a wall, how comes there are some many illegals in this country, and no shortage shortage of illegal drugs,,,,
basic economics. supply and demand.
how about this idea: legalize both. the problem would evaporate overnight.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 26, 2019 12:02:55 GMT -5
... When , not if there is a terrorist attack on U.S. soil, and it will happen, it is on the Democrats for the failure to secure the border! "Damn, they built a wall on the Southern Border. Now there is no way to get into the United States. Oh well". Words that will never be said by any terrorist organization anytime anywhere. consider the worst attack on US soil since 911.
19 hijackers on visas took flying lessons in Florida so that they could take over planes with boxcutters and run them into buildings.
please explain how a wall would have prevented that.
we are so fucking stupid, I am starting to think we deserve Trump.
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Post by tallguy on Jan 26, 2019 12:21:32 GMT -5
"Damn, they built a wall on the Southern Border. Now there is no way to get into the United States. Oh well". Words that will never be said by any terrorist organization anytime anywhere. consider the worst attack on US soil since 911.
19 hijackers on visas took flying lessons in Florida so that they could take over planes with boxcutters and run them into buildings.
please explain how a wall would have prevented that.
we are so fucking stupid, I am starting to think we deserve Trump.
Not all of us are that stupid, but there were certainly enough blind or stupid people two years ago. And there are still more than we would prefer here on this board.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 26, 2019 12:24:41 GMT -5
consider the worst attack on US soil since 911.
19 hijackers on visas took flying lessons in Florida so that they could take over planes with boxcutters and run them into buildings.
please explain how a wall would have prevented that.
we are so fucking stupid, I am starting to think we deserve Trump.
Not all of us are that stupid, but there were certainly enough blind or stupid people two years ago. And there are still more than we would prefer here on this board. we just seem incapable of focusing for more than 15 seconds on the actual problem.
the ONLY politician I have heard in the last 20 years that got it right was Ron Paul. and Rudy Fucking Guiliani mocked him for it. sickening.
until we do that, there will be no solution. in fact, we are making the problem worse by neglecting it and doing the wrong thing.
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Post by dezii on Jan 26, 2019 12:29:44 GMT -5
We've known that for quite some time. Hey, I haven't been back that long! [img class="smile" src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/embarrassed.png" alt="[img alt=" " class="smile" src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/embarrassed.png"]"] That's ok...just trust us on this one...it's been known by all for some time now...believe even admitted to by the perp..
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