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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 14, 2019 14:59:07 GMT -5
I showed it to my GF. She asked me to email it to her, where she promptly sent it out to at least several people. This is just obscene. The piece is vulgar wall-to-wall muckraking. Worse than the worst of Paul's screeds against Pres. Obama--the ones you repeatedly condemned as petty and vindictive. But now you're glorying in the same thing? After eight years of condemning it, claiming the moral high ground, you're glorying in the same thing? You're gleefully smearing it across the Internet like a child painting the walls with his own feces? And so is your girlfriend, bless her soul?
What is wrong with you? Is getting your laffs in and openly hating your enemies so important that you think nothing of playing the hypocrite? "Yeah, Virgil, I guess I was just full of crap and self-righteousness when I tore into Paul for his anti-Obama screeds for eight years. Sorry you had to find out this way."
The Internet isn't full enough of partisan, muckraking hypocrites for you?
You think Pres. Trump is an unfit leader, unworthy of praise? Join the club. You think smearing crap on the walls is funny and enlightening? I won't stop you. I rarely tried to stop Paul or anyone else. It's an exercise in futility.
But you have the audacity to do it after condemning it for eight years? Unbelievable. Not even the worst partisan hacks on our board stooped that low. That honour goes to you alone. Congratulations. I wouldn't treat my worst enemy the way you sick people treat your elected leaders, and you, tallguy , of all people... I expected better. And I don't give a crap about your excuses and rationalizations. You keep right on smearing crap and imagining yourself to be better than the trolls on Breitbart, CTH, every other site you derided, all doing the exact same thing. But for what little it's worth: I expected better. Sir.
No, you don't try to control what people post here! Not even a little bit! What in God's name was that? (Here's your opportunity to bash me for posting "obscenities", because YOU don't like it. No control from you, nosiree Bob!) Hypocrite.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 14, 2019 15:00:42 GMT -5
I showed it to my GF. She asked me to email it to her, where she promptly sent it out to at least several people. This is just obscene. The piece is vulgar wall-to-wall muckraking. Worse than the worst of Paul's screeds against Pres. Obama--the ones you repeatedly condemned as petty and vindictive. But now you're glorying in the same thing? After eight years of condemning it, claiming the moral high ground, you're glorying in the same thing? You're gleefully smearing it across the Internet like a child painting the walls with his own feces? And so is your girlfriend, bless her soul?
What is wrong with you? Is getting your laffs in and openly hating your enemies so important that you think nothing of playing the hypocrite? "Yeah, Virgil, I guess I was just full of crap and self-righteousness when I tore into Paul for his anti-Obama screeds for eight years. Sorry you had to find out this way."
The Internet isn't full enough of partisan, muckraking hypocrites for you?
You think Pres. Trump is an unfit leader, unworthy of praise? Join the club. You think smearing crap on the walls is funny and enlightening? I won't stop you. I rarely tried to stop Paul or anyone else. It's an exercise in futility.
But you have the audacity to do it after condemning it for eight years? Unbelievable. Not even the worst partisan hacks on our board stooped that low. That honour goes to you alone. Congratulations. I wouldn't treat my worst enemy the way you sick people treat your elected leaders, and you, tallguy , of all people... I expected better. And I don't give a crap about your excuses and rationalizations. You keep right on smearing crap and imagining yourself to be better than the trolls on Breitbart, CTH, every other site you derided, all doing the exact same thing. But for what little it's worth: I expected better. Sir.
Virgil, you need to get over your expectation that Americans should treat our elected leaders honorably. It's making you cranky.
I think maybe, being Canadian, you're used to revering your dear Queen and the royal family. I understand that kind of reverence, and I respect that tradition.
However, in this country, our POTUS is no better and no worse than the rest of us. Americans are all equal, and if one of us behaves badly, other Americans will call them out on it, regardless of whether they are a minister, a boy scout leader, a teacher, or the POTUS. Reverence has to be earned, it isn't automatically granted, and if a public figure performs in a subpar way, our Freedom of Speech guarantees that we can say whatever nasty thing we want about it.
It's a cultural thing, like our affection for firearms and big cars.
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Post by tallguy on Feb 14, 2019 18:33:53 GMT -5
And by the way, this particular piece, unlike pretty much any of Paul's, is true. Ipse dixit. Even if 90% of it wasn't subjective, exaggerated, or indeterminate, it doesn't excuse hypocrisy. But yeah, you think whatever you want. I'll do that, thanks. I notice you didn't bother with dondub's question, so I'll repeat it for you: Second, I'll remind you that I did not bring up Paul or my issues with him. You did. Well done, Mr. Moderator. And third, if you are so convinced that the opinion of an effectively disinterested non-American is so outrageously in error, go through line-by-line and refute it. That should prove interesting, and will allow the rest of us to see exactly how far off the rails you have gone. Or, as I suspect, that you actually do see at least most of those things as true about that ridiculous, narcissistic twit.
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Post by tallguy on Feb 14, 2019 18:36:40 GMT -5
My disagreements with Paul are well-publicized, since you brought him up. The substance of those disagreements are mostly the pure, unadulterated bull**** that he posts whether it is his own or from the many disreputable sites he frequents, his continual lack of any intellectual integrity, his continually mischaracterizing the positions and beliefs of his opponents, and his COMPLETE hypocrisy in so many areas. But yeah, you think whatever you want. And by the way, this particular piece, unlike pretty much any of Paul's, is true. That is WHY it is going or has gone viral. Donald Trump is EASILY the worst person ever elected and one of the worst persons ever encountered. He is a vile and disgusting creature, and is an embarrassment to this country. That may not bother you, but would you not be up in arms if he were yours? I don't expect this post (or yours, frankly) to remain here long, but since you did post it deserved a response. I will be out for the afternoon shortly so will not be here to respond again. Good day. Annnnd, the difference between his and your post is?? There are none so blind....
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 14, 2019 18:49:23 GMT -5
Ipse dixit. Even if 90% of it wasn't subjective, exaggerated, or indeterminate, it doesn't excuse hypocrisy. I'll do that, thanks. I notice you didn't bother with dondub's question, so I'll repeat it for you: Second, I'll remind you that I did not bring up Paul or my issues with him. You did. Well done, Mr. Moderator. And third, if you are so convinced that the opinion of an effectively disinterested non-American is so outrageously in error, go through line-by-line and refute it. That should prove interesting, and will allow the rest of us to see exactly how far off the rails you have gone. Or, as I suspect, that you actually do see at least most of those things as true about that ridiculous, narcissistic twit. Oooh, I'd love to see that!
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 14, 2019 19:34:30 GMT -5
Lord this took a turn! A little concerning, a little hilarious, but funnily and sadly enough..... Not too surprising. I give you my latest thoughts on this. Virgil is trying make respect for leaders fetch. media.giphy.com/media/l2YWgOm7cak7P4Cly/giphy.gif Virgil, stop trying to make fetch happen. It's not going to happen. To translate: Virgil stop trying to make respect and deference to leaders who have earned neither a thing. It's not a thing. it's not going to be a thing. Pray god it will never be a thing. Fetch will happen first.
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Post by dondub on Feb 14, 2019 20:31:39 GMT -5
Virgil,
Here is a list of the POTUS that served after I came of a more aware age:
LBJ...a despicable and boorish bully that was a war criminal for Vietnam. Lied us into escalation with the phony Gulf of Tonkin incident. However, did some very excellent civil rights work and social safety net endeavors. But 'Nam...tore this country apart.
Nixxon...the best politician of the bunch. very savvy. But weird connections to the mob and paranoid. A war criminal of the genocidal variety for his bombing of NV and Cambodia at a time the war needed to end. Détente policies excellent but still a criminal sleaze. But 'Nam...risked armed insurrection.
Ford....FU Gerry for pardoning Nixxon. Did you do anything else?
Carter...better than the Repo-Cons know. Interest rates had more to do with LBJ/Nixxon causing the inflation that Volcker defeated eventually. Blame for the failed hostage mission. Yet none of them died. One that was sheltered by the Canadians went to my HS two years older. A nice man...too nice to be our president and his ineffectuality proved it. Deserved his 1 term.
Reagan...worshipped by the Repo-Cons to this day. Friend of the genociders in Guatemala. Tripled the national debt with combo of tax cuts and massive defense spending increases. Was 1 of the elements that ended the Cold War, as was Gorby, the Pope, and Radio Free Europe. Spaced out for his second term but not before the massive criminality of Iran~Contra. That whole story will never be told. Possible treason with the October Surprise. Reference Barbara Honnegger. Cocaine cowboys of the CIA run amok. Ollie very dirty in that regard. Sort of a doddering fascist by the end.
Bush 1...FU George for pardoning 6 Iran~Contra crims just as the net was closing on you. Trump will try something similar. Called Voodoo Economics right. Never liked the fact he had been head of the CIA. First spook as POTUS. Raised taxes as offset to Reagan's budget blunders. Needed to but got burned by the Repo-Cons for it. Generally boring. Deserved his 1 term.
Clinton...OH Billy you f'd up big time and lost your mojo. Too bad as you were rolling. Did have some surplusing budgets regardless of the naysayers on the right. (jealous?) A very crafty pol that should have done even better. But distractions of his own making. Some kind of sex addict satyr. Should have been so much more.
W...blew it Georgie boy. Had the debt by the tail and could have/should have paid it off. Entirely possible. But as Darth Cheney said "no one cares about the deficit". So you decided to double it with more spending, more tax cuts. Ouch. Then your stupid little wars that have really screwed shit up. Did you really need to do all of that? Sure, a jovial guy frat boy but let too many evil insiders mess around. Subsequently I consider you weak ass.
Obama...didn't take long for B. Hussein to piss me off. I was done after 1 year for a variety of reasons involving lack of change. My campaign slogan for him in 2012 was Hope and Change...keep hoping! I needed some banker prosecutions for sure. And fines that were at least 10 X what any of them paid for their nefarious schemes that wrecked the economy. But a steady hand at the helm during troubling times and will go down in history way better than half of us think. But escalating the war fronts instead of getting the hell out? Phooey.
Trump...an unbelievable shit show every day. A bungling narcissistic bully boy that should have never become POTUS. After two years in doesn't even attempt to be better and more representing of Americans at large instead of his fetid base. I hope he goes down hard as I think he is the most criminal of them all. Time will tell and to be continued.
So there you have it Virgil, a rogues gallery of criminals, miscreants, losers, fiends, underachievers, yawners, and wackos. And you wonder why we Americans talk smack.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 14, 2019 20:33:08 GMT -5
My disagreements with Paul are well-publicized, since you brought him up. The substance of those disagreements are mostly the pure, unadulterated bull**** that he posts whether it is his own or from the many disreputable sites he frequents, his continual lack of any intellectual integrity, his continually mischaracterizing the positions and beliefs of his opponents, and his COMPLETE hypocrisy in so many areas. But yeah, you think whatever you want. And by the way, this particular piece, unlike pretty much any of Paul's, is true. That is WHY it is going or has gone viral. Donald Trump is EASILY the worst person ever elected and one of the worst persons ever encountered. He is a vile and disgusting creature, and is an embarrassment to this country. That may not bother you, but would you not be up in arms if he were yours? I don't expect this post (or yours, frankly) to remain here long, but since you did post it deserved a response. I will be out for the afternoon shortly so will not be here to respond again. Good day. Annnnd, the difference between his and your post is?? logic, coherence, grasp of facts, adherence to truth......
their only similarity is their stridency.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 14, 2019 20:41:17 GMT -5
This is just obscene. The piece is vulgar wall-to-wall muckraking. Worse than the worst of Paul's screeds against Pres. Obama--the ones you repeatedly condemned as petty and vindictive.. I read it through again and could not find ONE vulgarity. you, the minister of clean speech, should be EXTOLING the basic virtue of this post rather than attacking it for being "vulgar". and the attacks against Obama WERE petty and vindictive, but this is not really an "attack" in the sense that calling Obama a "Kenyan Muslim" or constantly mocking him for his middle name is. if you can't see the difference between those kinds of attack and the admittedly brutal but concise critique posted, then you really need to search your heart for YOUR reasons for making this, frankly, bizarre and inept comparison. but let's cut to the heart of the matter:
rather than slamming the piece, can you find one point in it that is really debatable? if Paul were capable of composing something 1/10th this incisive and witty, I would withdraw all critique of his work.
but rather, he generally just C&P's stuff from disreputable blogs. most of his opinions are not even his.
here is something from the piece that you denigrated:
* Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
* You don't need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.
what is to object to there?
those things are either objectively true, or his opinion.
and there is nothing mean about them.
in typical British style, these remarks get to the meat of the matter with a minimum of fluff.
this is a quality that even Trump could appreciate.
but I get that you can't. which is why I can no longer enter into debate with you. you will spend all day discussing something that needn't take 5 minutes. whereas this guy encapsulated 3 years of critique in a single post.
it is magnificent. you might not be able to appreciate it, but I can. if that makes me a flawed person, I accept my flaws with relish.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 14, 2019 20:52:47 GMT -5
Virgil,
Reagan...worshipped by the Repo-Cons to this day. Friend of the genociders in Guatemala. Tripled the national debt with combo of tax cuts and massive defense spending increases. Was 1 of the elements that ended the Cold War, as was Gorby, the Pope, and Radio Free Europe. Spaced out for his second term but not before the massive criminality of Iran~Contra. That whole story will never be told. Possible treason with the October Surprise. Reference Barbara Honnegger. Cocaine cowboys of the CIA run amok. Ollie very dirty in that regard. Sort of a doddering fascist by the end. one small addition to Reagan and Nixon: they were the most criminal administrations in recent history. they have more indictments, convictions and years in prison between the two of them than the last century of presidents other than them COMBINED.
of course, Trump will certainly beat one of them, and he might yet beat them both.
also, I would add that, by the standards set in Nuremburg, EVERY president since WW2 is a war criminal.
every.....one.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 14, 2019 21:02:19 GMT -5
...And third, if you are so convinced that the opinion of an effectively disinterested non-American is so outrageously in error, go through line-by-line and refute it. Refute what? The emphasized comments in the piece? ibid.:
"Trump is a troll.", "He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.", "He is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit.", "He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.", "If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set." There's nothing to assess, nothing to refute. It's cheap shots and childish name calling.
The precious few remarks that aren't subjective are demonstrably false. ibid.: "And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers." False. "And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever." False. "After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss." False. You know what I can refute, though? Your sincerity in paying lip service to the office of US President. "'Gov. Jay Nixon, a Democrat, said through a spokesman that the antics were “disrespectful and offensive,” and Lt. Gov. Peter Kinder, a Republican, said on Twitter: “We are better than this.”'
If he is talking about the country and its people in general, I have my doubts. If he is referring specifically to either right-wing Republicans* or rural Missourians, I have even more of them. The reason that politics has become so ugly and this country is so polarized is because we are NOT better than this. It is said that we get exactly the type of government we deserve, and when people would rather rant and blame than think and fix, no, we are not better than this.
* Note: The same would apply to the far-left as well were the incident targeted the other way. This comment is a Republican governor talking about "we" but neither extreme has a monopoly on disgusting behavior. They both engage far too frequently and we all pay the price."
"'The proof would be to dig up the zombie corpse of the old, old MSN money boards, mine it for data, and find out whether Tall et al. circa 2000-2008 were "How dare they do that to the President!" unhappy liberals, or "Bush is a mound of horse turd, and I'll shed no tears for him." sticks-and-stones liberals.'
Well, that search would be fruitless even if it were possible. I wasn't on the board until late 2007. But even if you could find my old posts, you would find none of that kind of posting."
"Bush had the power to disrupt peace worldwide whether there was a threat to this country or not. But in any post that I ever addressed him afterward, it was always as either George W. Bush or more likely as former President Bush. I may not respect the man, but I will always respect the office.
And even now, you will not ever see me post with made-up pejorative names about any person or group. You very well may see me post with a certain level of disrespect toward an individual poster or two, but that disrespect is well-earned. It is not at all based on my political ideology. And you will see me argue against the extremes on both sides. Extremes appeal to those who are either unwilling or unable to see different sides of an issue. Open-minded people who have any real intellectual capacity do not end up on the extremes."
"And exactly what constitutional right are they defending? The right to be a stupid, worthless, confrontational, self-aggrandizing, disgusting little f***?
It would be different if the act of drawing a picture of Mohammad was an integral and necessary part of one's existence as an American. It isn't. It never will be. It is a created issue serving only to antagonize, possibly as an excuse to incite violence from the other side which will then justify their own in return. It serves NO responsible or justifiable purpose whatsoever."
"Calling someone what they prefer to be called is the absolute minimum level of respect that should be expected from anyone, much less from people seeking to lead (or be part of leading) the country. NOT doing so says far more about the speaker than the subject, and none of it good. That is why I find it very easy to immediately dismiss anyone using words like Democrap, DemocRAT, Republican't, Repug, Obumma, Nobama, and the like. They are classless and stupid, and their opinions are not worth listening to. EVER!
As an example, I have virtually NO respect for GWB. But I refer to him as Former President Bush. Whether I respect the man or not, I at least respect the office. And I will not show myself to be so low as to disrespect that, even with that person as the subject." This is all I had the time to dig up and format in 10 minutes. There's plenty more. Indeed, you loved to pontificate about respect for public office, academic detachment, and the political high road. Enough that I believed you, like an idiot.
You were right about one thing, though: you deserve Pres. Trump as a president. You say the man is malicious, disrespectful, unrepentant, hypocritical. How does Mr. White, the "witty writer from England" put it? "His idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty." Another hit. A match for the ages: Tallguy and Pres. Trump. Why do I care? About one screed? With all the crap that floats around the Internet day after day? Because this was you.
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 14, 2019 21:12:59 GMT -5
Virgil,
Here is a list of the POTUS that served after I came of a more aware age:
LBJ...a despicable and boorish bully that was a war criminal for Vietnam. Lied us into escalation with the phony Gulf of Tonkin incident. However, did some very excellent civil rights work and social safety net endeavors. But 'Nam...tore this country apart.
Nixxon...the best politician of the bunch. very savvy. But weird connections to the mob and paranoid. A war criminal of the genocidal variety for his bombing of NV and Cambodia at a time the war needed to end. Détente policies excellent but still a criminal sleaze. But 'Nam...risked armed insurrection.
Ford....FU Gerry for pardoning Nixxon. Did you do anything else?
Carter...better than the Repo-Cons know. Interest rates had more to do with LBJ/Nixxon causing the inflation that Volcker defeated eventually. Blame for the failed hostage mission. Yet none of them died. One that was sheltered by the Canadians went to my HS two years older. A nice man...too nice to be our president and his ineffectuality proved it. Deserved his 1 term.
Reagan...worshipped by the Repo-Cons to this day. Friend of the genociders in Guatemala. Tripled the national debt with combo of tax cuts and massive defense spending increases. Was 1 of the elements that ended the Cold War, as was Gorby, the Pope, and Radio Free Europe. Spaced out for his second term but not before the massive criminality of Iran~Contra. That whole story will never be told. Possible treason with the October Surprise. Reference Barbara Honnegger. Cocaine cowboys of the CIA run amok. Ollie very dirty in that regard. Sort of a doddering fascist by the end.
Bush 1...FU George for pardoning 6 Iran~Contra crims just as the net was closing on you. Trump will try something similar. Called Voodoo Economics right. Never liked the fact he had been head of the CIA. First spook as POTUS. Raised taxes as offset to Reagan's budget blunders. Needed to but got burned by the Repo-Cons for it. Generally boring. Deserved his 1 term.
Clinton...OH Billy you f'd up big time and lost your mojo. Too bad as you were rolling. Did have some surplusing budgets regardless of the naysayers on the right. (jealous?) A very crafty pol that should have done even better. But distractions of his own making. Some kind of sex addict satyr. Should have been so much more.
W...blew it Georgie boy. Had the debt by the tail and could have/should have paid it off. Entirely possible. But as Darth Cheney said "no one cares about the deficit". So you decided to double it with more spending, more tax cuts. Ouch. Then your stupid little wars that have really screwed shit up. Did you really need to do all of that? Sure, a jovial guy frat boy but let too many evil insiders mess around. Subsequently I consider you weak ass.
Obama...didn't take long for B. Hussein to piss me off. I was done after 1 year for a variety of reasons involving lack of change. My campaign slogan for him in 2012 was Hope and Change...keep hoping! I needed some banker prosecutions for sure. And fines that were at least 10 X what any of them paid for their nefarious schemes that wrecked the economy. But a steady hand at the helm during troubling times and will go down in history way better than half of us think. But escalating the war fronts instead of getting the hell out? Phooey.
Trump...an unbelievable shit show every day. A bungling narcissistic bully boy that should have never become POTUS. After two years in doesn't even attempt to be better and more representing of Americans at large instead of his fetid base. I hope he goes down hard as I think he is the most criminal of them all. Time will tell and to be continued.
So there you have it Virgil, a rogues gallery of criminals, miscreants, losers, fiends, underachievers, yawners, and wackos. And you wonder why we Americans talk smack. Wow, Don, I mostly agree with you!
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 14, 2019 21:17:28 GMT -5
Virgil,
Here is a list of the POTUS that served after I came of a more aware age:
LBJ...a despicable and boorish bully that was a war criminal for Vietnam. Lied us into escalation with the phony Gulf of Tonkin incident. However, did some very excellent civil rights work and social safety net endeavors. But 'Nam...tore this country apart.
Nixxon...the best politician of the bunch. very savvy. But weird connections to the mob and paranoid. A war criminal of the genocidal variety for his bombing of NV and Cambodia at a time the war needed to end. Détente policies excellent but still a criminal sleaze. But 'Nam...risked armed insurrection.
Ford....FU Gerry for pardoning Nixxon. Did you do anything else?
Carter...better than the Repo-Cons know. Interest rates had more to do with LBJ/Nixxon causing the inflation that Volcker defeated eventually. Blame for the failed hostage mission. Yet none of them died. One that was sheltered by the Canadians went to my HS two years older. A nice man...too nice to be our president and his ineffectuality proved it. Deserved his 1 term.
Reagan...worshipped by the Repo-Cons to this day. Friend of the genociders in Guatemala. Tripled the national debt with combo of tax cuts and massive defense spending increases. Was 1 of the elements that ended the Cold War, as was Gorby, the Pope, and Radio Free Europe. Spaced out for his second term but not before the massive criminality of Iran~Contra. That whole story will never be told. Possible treason with the October Surprise. Reference Barbara Honnegger. Cocaine cowboys of the CIA run amok. Ollie very dirty in that regard. Sort of a doddering fascist by the end.
Bush 1...FU George for pardoning 6 Iran~Contra crims just as the net was closing on you. Trump will try something similar. Called Voodoo Economics right. Never liked the fact he had been head of the CIA. First spook as POTUS. Raised taxes as offset to Reagan's budget blunders. Needed to but got burned by the Repo-Cons for it. Generally boring. Deserved his 1 term.
Clinton...OH Billy you f'd up big time and lost your mojo. Too bad as you were rolling. Did have some surplusing budgets regardless of the naysayers on the right. (jealous?) A very crafty pol that should have done even better. But distractions of his own making. Some kind of sex addict satyr. Should have been so much more.
W...blew it Georgie boy. Had the debt by the tail and could have/should have paid it off. Entirely possible. But as Darth Cheney said "no one cares about the deficit". So you decided to double it with more spending, more tax cuts. Ouch. Then your stupid little wars that have really screwed shit up. Did you really need to do all of that? Sure, a jovial guy frat boy but let too many evil insiders mess around. Subsequently I consider you weak ass.
Obama...didn't take long for B. Hussein to piss me off. I was done after 1 year for a variety of reasons involving lack of change. My campaign slogan for him in 2012 was Hope and Change...keep hoping! I needed some banker prosecutions for sure. And fines that were at least 10 X what any of them paid for their nefarious schemes that wrecked the economy. But a steady hand at the helm during troubling times and will go down in history way better than half of us think. But escalating the war fronts instead of getting the hell out? Phooey.
Trump...an unbelievable shit show every day. A bungling narcissistic bully boy that should have never become POTUS. After two years in doesn't even attempt to be better and more representing of Americans at large instead of his fetid base. I hope he goes down hard as I think he is the most criminal of them all. Time will tell and to be continued.
So there you have it Virgil, a rogues gallery of criminals, miscreants, losers, fiends, underachievers, yawners, and wackos. And you wonder why we Americans talk smack. Wow, Don, I mostly agree with you! me too. what do you disagree with?
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 14, 2019 21:22:26 GMT -5
Wow, Don, I mostly agree with you! me too. what do you disagree with? I am withholding judgement on Trump yet,, Am I happy with every thing he does? absolutely not! I am waiting a while to see if the ++++'s out weigh the -----'s.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 14, 2019 21:23:39 GMT -5
me too. what do you disagree with? I am withholding judgement (sic) on Trump yet,, Am I happy with every thing he does? absolutely not! I am waiting a while to see if the ++++'s out weigh the -----'s.
pluses?
(now THAT, my friend, belongs on the joke thread. )
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 14, 2019 21:28:56 GMT -5
Well for me, business is good, made some money this year,, That would be +! Trump's mouth,,, ---"s
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 14, 2019 21:31:42 GMT -5
Well for me, business is good, made some money this year,, That would be +! Trump's mouth,,, ---"s
didn't ask about the minuses.
how was business for you in 2016? I did pretty well that year.
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 14, 2019 21:49:04 GMT -5
It was good,, not as good as now,, There seems to be more money floating around!
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 14, 2019 21:51:35 GMT -5
It was good,, not as good as now,, There seems to be more money floating around! of the six businesses I run, only two of them have seen revenues increase between 2016 and 2018, and none have posted records.
this has been a fairly disappointing stretch of economic growth.
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 14, 2019 21:56:44 GMT -5
I have equipment sold, having trouble finding time to get it rebuilt and out the door. If I wanted to finance it, I could sell tons,, finding the specialized people I need to do that work is difficult!
I have found a crew to do my installs,, They do a real good job for me,
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 14, 2019 21:58:22 GMT -5
It was good,, not as good as now,, There seems to be more money floating around! of the six businesses I run, only two of them have seen revenues increase between 2016 and 2018, and none have posted records.
this has been a fairly disappointing stretch of economic growth.
You said a while back that the tariff were a problem, is that part of it?
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 14, 2019 22:05:05 GMT -5
Most of the equipment that I rebuild is older, the CO, that made went out of business 17 years ago, I found a slick way of re manufacturing some of the non existent new parts, I contacted a Co. that made some of the highly priority parts of the original Co. to see if they will do a run for me, since any patents have expired,
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Post by tallguy on Feb 14, 2019 22:42:25 GMT -5
...And third, if you are so convinced that the opinion of an effectively disinterested non-American is so outrageously in error, go through line-by-line and refute it. Refute what? The emphasized comments in the piece? ibid.:
"Trump is a troll.", "He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.", "He is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit.", "He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.", "If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set." There's nothing to assess, nothing to refute. It's cheap shots and childish name calling.
The precious few remarks that aren't subjective are demonstrably false. ibid.: "And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers." False. "And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever." False. "After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss." False. You know what I can refute, though? Your sincerity in paying lip service to the office of US President. "'Gov. Jay Nixon, a Democrat, said through a spokesman that the antics were “disrespectful and offensive,” and Lt. Gov. Peter Kinder, a Republican, said on Twitter: “We are better than this.”'
If he is talking about the country and its people in general, I have my doubts. If he is referring specifically to either right-wing Republicans* or rural Missourians, I have even more of them. The reason that politics has become so ugly and this country is so polarized is because we are NOT better than this. It is said that we get exactly the type of government we deserve, and when people would rather rant and blame than think and fix, no, we are not better than this.
* Note: The same would apply to the far-left as well were the incident targeted the other way. This comment is a Republican governor talking about "we" but neither extreme has a monopoly on disgusting behavior. They both engage far too frequently and we all pay the price."
"'The proof would be to dig up the zombie corpse of the old, old MSN money boards, mine it for data, and find out whether Tall et al. circa 2000-2008 were "How dare they do that to the President!" unhappy liberals, or "Bush is a mound of horse turd, and I'll shed no tears for him." sticks-and-stones liberals.'
Well, that search would be fruitless even if it were possible. I wasn't on the board until late 2007. But even if you could find my old posts, you would find none of that kind of posting."
"Bush had the power to disrupt peace worldwide whether there was a threat to this country or not. But in any post that I ever addressed him afterward, it was always as either George W. Bush or more likely as former President Bush. I may not respect the man, but I will always respect the office.
And even now, you will not ever see me post with made-up pejorative names about any person or group. You very well may see me post with a certain level of disrespect toward an individual poster or two, but that disrespect is well-earned. It is not at all based on my political ideology. And you will see me argue against the extremes on both sides. Extremes appeal to those who are either unwilling or unable to see different sides of an issue. Open-minded people who have any real intellectual capacity do not end up on the extremes."
"And exactly what constitutional right are they defending? The right to be a stupid, worthless, confrontational, self-aggrandizing, disgusting little f***?
It would be different if the act of drawing a picture of Mohammad was an integral and necessary part of one's existence as an American. It isn't. It never will be. It is a created issue serving only to antagonize, possibly as an excuse to incite violence from the other side which will then justify their own in return. It serves NO responsible or justifiable purpose whatsoever."
"Calling someone what they prefer to be called is the absolute minimum level of respect that should be expected from anyone, much less from people seeking to lead (or be part of leading) the country. NOT doing so says far more about the speaker than the subject, and none of it good. That is why I find it very easy to immediately dismiss anyone using words like Democrap, DemocRAT, Republican't, Repug, Obumma, Nobama, and the like. They are classless and stupid, and their opinions are not worth listening to. EVER!
As an example, I have virtually NO respect for GWB. But I refer to him as Former President Bush. Whether I respect the man or not, I at least respect the office. And I will not show myself to be so low as to disrespect that, even with that person as the subject." This is all I had the time to dig up and format in 10 minutes. There's plenty more. Indeed, you loved to pontificate about respect for public office, academic detachment, and the political high road. Enough that I believed you, like an idiot.
You were right about one thing, though: you deserve Pres. Trump as a president. You say the man is malicious, disrespectful, unrepentant, hypocritical. How does Mr. White, the "witty writer from England" put it? "His idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty." Another hit. A match for the ages: Tallguy and Pres. Trump. Why do I care? About one screed? With all the crap that floats around the Internet day after day? Because this was you.
Others have and will likely continue to comment on the "creepiness" of your post here, but I will again refer you back to dondub's question. In my response that prompted your original screed, I did nothing other than echo dj's comment that it was well-written and say that I showed it to my GF. I did not write the piece, nor did I comment in any way on Trump in that post. I have commented many times on Donald Trump's character and I have called him various names on occasion. I have called him the biggest liar in American political history and quite possibly the single most dishonest and corrupt person in the country. I have said that he is an embarrassment to this country and is turning us into a laughingstock around the world, but when have I ever disrespected the office? I still call him President Trump or, more often, say "this president" (preferring not to dignify him with the honorific.) So again, how far off the rails are you with this? Oh, and while you are practicing your research skills, please come up with one genuinely witty line ever uttered by Donald Trump, or even anything genuinely funny that was not a personal insult or attack. We'll wait.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 15, 2019 0:10:07 GMT -5
"And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers." False.
"And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever." False.
Care to give us a few examples, Virgil? Please, give us a quote of Trump saying something wry, funny, witty or faintly amusing. How about a clever pun?
(Saying something ridiculous because of his alarming ignorance doesn't count.)
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 15, 2019 1:18:08 GMT -5
Others have and will likely continue to comment on the "creepiness" of your post here, but I will again refer you back to dondub's question. "Creepiness". Right. Caring what people say. Remembering what people say. Holding them to their own standards. Using the search function. I can see how it would all seem creepy to somebody who lacks the faculties or technical competence to do it themselves. But why overthink things? On YMAM, it's a stand-in for "I have no argument, but I'll be damned if I don't blurt out something."
In my response that prompted your original screed, I did nothing other than echo dj's comment that it was well-written and say that I showed it to my GF. I did not write the piece, nor did I comment in any way on Trump in that post. "Yeah. I didn't write Dylan Roof's manifesto. I circulated it. Shared it with the girlfriend. We both think it's great. Wanted everyone here to know that too. But I didn't write the thing, so get off my case." I don't see you buying that garbage, which is to your credit.
Oh, and while you are practicing your research skills, please come up with one genuinely witty line ever uttered by Donald Trump, or even anything genuinely funny that was not a personal insult or attack. We'll wait. Studio footage from a few months ago. He's interrupted mid-sentence by a hostile interview host, and starts to scold him about the interruption, but quickly realizes he's been interrupting the fellow every 20 seconds. The audience chuckles as he catches himself. He nods and smiles, and says, self-deprecatingly, "It's rude to interrupt people." The audience laughs at the joke. He cedes the floor to the interviewer to ask his question. An admittedly rare and ephemeral bit of wit (and dare I say 'grace') from the man, but there you have it: one shining example. Given the breadth of his public speaking, odds are somebody with sufficient time and wherewithal could compile hundreds more. But Mr. White knows: if you're going to lie, make it a big one.
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Post by tallguy on Feb 15, 2019 1:34:13 GMT -5
For the record, I showed it to her because it is exactly what dj said it was in #133, and it is almost without exception true. She asked me to email it to her, with my guess being that she could then read it at her leisure. I did not in fact know that she would send it to several friends, but do not fault her at all for doing so. It is worthy of sharing.
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Post by dondub on Feb 15, 2019 2:26:42 GMT -5
That alleged Trump humor....fail.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 15, 2019 4:21:02 GMT -5
Dude you're seriously into creepy as fuck territory. Stop lecturing everyone & find a hobby or your happy place. No kidding! Going through posts from the past six years with a fine toothed comb is very creepy indeed. OCD, stalkerish mentality. It's even creepier when he starts breaking down old posts by percentages. 2013-2015?
it makes me want to leave the board and ask management to delete all of my posts.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 15, 2019 4:24:15 GMT -5
Thank you. Thank you very much. I almost wish I could take credit for planning it that way, but in truth I could never have imagined that such a simple comment could ever inspire such a wildly over-the-top and borderline insane reaction from someone who ostensibly should have been able to see reason somewhere in his mess of a screed. And then to double, triple, quadruple, quintuple, and sextuple down on the error with years-ago posts addressing a non-existent "issue" apparently created in his own mind? No, I can't take credit for that. It was all him. all expression is far more a reflection of the expresser than the object to which they speak.
that is sometimes difficult to remember, when someone is coming at you with the equivalent of a verbal tazer.
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 15, 2019 7:25:59 GMT -5
As we can see every liberal on the thread has now gone off tangent and made Virgil the topic because they now realize Mueller has squat. It is over and you people do not have a clue yet.
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