Will we see a Santa Claus rally this year?

[Value Buy]

or is Santa leaving a stocking full of useless coal?

[Value Buy]

I think it is a rally.
Not sure if we will close at a new high......

[kadee79]

Coal is really good in a stove in the winter...keeps you warn.  And hogs like to eat it too!

I've been reading...no rally...time will tell.  Not sure how long this bump will last from DT's "pause" in the China tariffs.

[toomuchreality]

I hope DT gets a boatload of crappy stuff,  all with letters explaining what a crappy job he has done, that's why he only gets these   crappy girfts.

[mroped]

Santa already told DT that he is getting coal this year since he loves coal so much!

[Gardening Grandma]

Based on today, pretty sure no SC rally

[countrygirl2]

The market dropped 800 points today after they couldn't figure out if trump was lying or telling the truth.  Guess it meant he was lying.

China would not corroborate his so called agreement.


And of course he says he likes tariffs, china is paying.  Hey boys and girls you and I and all of us are paying for it!  Not China!!

[Gardening Grandma]

Still wondering/hoping for a SC rally?
The market has wiped all of the gains for 2018. It’s down another 750 pts today.
According to Nobel Prize winning economist, Robert Reich it’s

“Mainly because the U.S.-China trade deal is falling apart. Or more accurately, it never happened. Trump’s claims about tariff reductions and Beijing buying more U.S. agriculture and natural gas weren’t backed up by his own administration or the Chinese government. Tensions with China are also expected to rise with the arrest of Chinese tech giant Huawei Technologies’ chief financial officer over alleged violations of sanctions on Iran.

Add in 3 signs of impending recession: a continued flight by investors into long-term bonds, a steep drop in oil prices, and sharp slowdowns in other major economies.

As usual, Trump is blaming others – the Chinese and the Fed”

[Value Buy]

Dec 6, 2018 14:48:35 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Still wondering/hoping for a SC rally?
The market has wiped all of the gains for 2018. It’s down another 750 pts today.
According to Nobel Prize winning economist, Robert Reich it’s

“Mainly because the U.S.-China trade deal is falling apart. Or more accurately, it never happened. Trump’s claims about tariff reductions and Beijing buying more U.S. agriculture and natural gas weren’t backed up by his own administration or the Chinese government. Tensions with China are also expected to rise with the arrest of Chinese tech giant Huawei Technologies’ chief financial officer over alleged violations of sanctions on Iran.

Add in 3 signs of impending recession: a continued flight by investors into long-term bonds, a steep drop in oil prices, and sharp slowdowns in other major economies.

As usual, Trump is blaming others – the Chinese and the Fed”

change that 750 point drop to only 79.
We need the big crappy eveyone panick and sell today on very high volume and we resume the rally.
The Chinese CFO of a large tech company arrested in Canada seems to be the panic issue this week, and what will the Chinese do in retaliation. In reality it looks like China was told it was coming and they signed off on the sacrificial lamb to Trump.
Go ahead and buy those long term bonds. At your peril, because stocks are going to be the winner for the first four months of 2019.
The Fed seems to be backing off the rate increases. I get it our economy (due to Trump policies) is on fire, but the fact is, Europe and China's economy is slightly struggling right now. If we raise interest rates, European money will flood in and buy our bonds up, which pulls more money out of their economy, which creates the snowball affect of hurting their economy more. Look at European bond rates. they are still near the zero interest pay outs of a couple of years ago. Where would you buy your bonds? Here or in Europe?

[toomuchreality]

I just want to see Santa Claus!     (not this one though )

-Sorry. My bad.  

[oped]

I’m going to go with no at this point.

Although if they cancel Brexit... ? ... nah, I’m going with no.

[kadee79]

Nov 29, 2018 17:58:32 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

or is Santa leaving a stocking full of useless coal?

You are definitely getting a stocking full of coal...burn it to keep warm.

[Tennesseer]

Looking more like a stocking full of dried rat shit.  

#MAGA!!!

[oped]

Seriously kind of glad they stopped at 1 today...

[ken a.k.a OMK]

I want to thank Trump for my Christmas present. Down $280k Friday and maybe another $40k today. I can't wait until MAGA goes away and we get back on track. Need to patch things with our allies and stabilize our economy.

[Gardening Grandma]

Tbe market just had its worst week in 10 years.

I’m getting tired of “winning!”

fortune.com/2018/12/21/dow-worst-week-10-years-santa-claus-rally/
Increasingly, strategists and executives are feeling emboldened to lay some of the blame at the door of the White House. FedEx CEO Fred Smith, a longtime Republican, blamed President Trump and other political leaders this week for his company’s grim outlook for 2019. On Friday, Abby Joseph Cohen, one of the most respected market strategists, also cited the Trump administration as a factor in this week’s selloff.

“We’re dealing with this major change with regard to risk tolerance, which is being fueled and exacerbated by many of the decisions in Washington,” Cohen said in an interview with Bloomberg Friday. “I’m not talking about the Fed, I’m talking about the confusion having to do with the government shutdown, the confusion in the President’s cabinet, and so on.”

[Tennesseer]

Gee-only down 653 points today.

[countrygirl2]

He is winning so much he can't stand it.  He wants to get rid of the head of the federal reserve and scaring the markets to death.

[Tennesseer]

Was trump named class buffoon in each of the years he attend school?  Geeeeeeez.

[ModE98]

We are probably in a true BEAR MARKET with some time yet for downward pressure; but, with a few short rallies as it goes down.  So much for the great Trump bull market (it's over, folks).  Bah Humbug, the Grinch has stolen the Santa Claus rally for this year. 

[kadee79]

Just paint DT green...he is ugly enough to be the Grinch!

[ModE98]

What a day today!  Seldom see a + 1000.  But need 5 more.....not likely. 

[oped]

What is it attached to? Exactly? I mean besides the largest down shift in a week ever? No real metrics changed? Although I also felt Monday’s Plummer was too fast and untethered...

I really doubt we’re done... but we’ll have wait and see. I’m not going in at the moment.

ETA. Just saw someone say the second biggest single day increase was Oct 13 2008, so, yeah. (Didn’t double check this... on phone).

[kadee79]

Well, DT did say he wasn't going to fire the head of the FR & that he had trust/faith in Munc., treasury?... 

[Value Buy]

In future decades we may consider December Trump's December.
Until then December is considered to belong to S. Claus

Yes, this has not been considerd a Santa Claus rally month this year.
After the last two days of trading, I am welling to go out on a limb here for the last two days.
I expect the Dow to have a gain of 850 points tomorrow based on closing up 260 points today after being down something like 611 points an hour or two from the close.
Monday will depend on how Asia and Europe fair in their markets. If they are positive, look for about another 500 point gain in the Dow for the final day of trading this year.
Not enough to call it a Santa rally, but enough to send us into an up market in January 2019.

[Gardening Grandma]

Dec 27, 2018 16:52:34 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

In future decades we may consider December Trump's December.
Until then December is considered to belong to S. Claus

Yes, this has not been considerd a Santa Claus rally month this year.
After the last two days of trading, I am welling to go out on a limb here for the last two days.
I expect the Dow to have a gain of 850 points tomorrow based on closing up 260 points today after being down something like 611 points an hour or two from the close.
Monday will depend on how Asia and Europe fair in their markets. If they are positive, look for about another 500 point gain in the Dow for the final day of trading this year.
Not enough to call it a Santa rally, but enough to send us into an up market in January 2019.

Unless trump tweets some stupidity and roils things up yet again.  Or tries to fire the Fed chief. 

[oped]

So the entirety upon which you are placing your future results is prior results ? 

[Value Buy]

Well, that is a bummer.
Have not been following the markets today, and just turned it on.
I am missing my estimate by 980 points right now

[oped]

Doesn't really matter up or down in the moment. The only reality of the current markets is volatility untethered. 

[Value Buy]

Dec 28, 2018 15:51:23 GMT -5 oped said:

Doesn't really matter up or down in the moment. The only reality of the current markets is volatility untethered. 

The reasoning or really, the lack of reason behind the volitility is quite strange.