Justine Damond, PJ lady!

[OldCoyote]

statelymcdanielmanor.wordpress.com/2018/09/12/the-justine-damond-case-update-24-fast-track-to-murder/

This is from one of My hard Right blogs,, Excellent reading, detailed info.   If you bother to read it!

[billisonboard]

I went to the link.  That first picture made me think, "Okay, building sympathy for victim.  Emotional appeal, always an interesting place to start." Read the first paragraph and got to the second picture.  "Okay, there is a picture of police officers with community members." Kept reading, "Wow, a picture of the former mayor with community members."  By that point I realized that it was the pictures that really mattered.  Since I was not properly emotionally manipulated by them, I decided that the rest of the article wasn't worth reading.

[OldCoyote]

Bills, I stated right at the top, that this was a Right Leaning Blog,,Do any of you put a disclaimer on any of the Left Leaning articles you post??

That said,, The writer of this post is former Air Force police officer, and a police officer that worked his way up to Commander, in Civilian police dept.

if I remember correctly.

Most of the time he defends the police.  He is now a English school teacher because of an injury when he was an officer!

You missed a in depth article, along with several previous articles, simply because of you disagree with, some?? of my positions.

[billisonboard]

Sept 14, 2018 8:37:50 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Bills, I stated right at the top, that this was a Right Leaning Blog,,Do any of you put a disclaimer on any of the Left Leaning articles you post??

...

You missed a in depth article, along with several previous articles, simply because of you disagree with, some?? of my positions.

I work to not link to blogs and work to highlight that is what they are if cited.

I have read blog entries from that site in the past. I even explored it beyond just that which you linked. I am generally okay with what I found, disagreeing some, liking some.

The shooting of Damond was wrong. Whether she rescued or drown ducklings, it was wrong. The police officer should be prosecuted. Whether there is a photograph of him with women wearing headscarves or not, he should be prosecuted. If there are policies in place that lead to putting unqualified individuals on the police force in place, they need to be changed. Photographs of a former mayor does not make that any more true.

I think that McDaniel went too far in appealing to emotion this time with the pictures used and reacted to that. It has nothing to do with you.

[OldCoyote]

Guess what Bill s, I went to find something where just about EVERY news article posts some dramatic picture to boost their article,,

What was the first thing that pop up,, an political ad,,, you don't suppose that that ??might?? be biased ,,, would you?

So glad that the regular media would not do that!

[billisonboard]

Sept 14, 2018 9:46:25 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Guess what Bill s, I went to find something where just about EVERY news article posts some dramatic picture to boost their article,,

What was the first thing that pop up,, an political ad,,, you don't suppose that that ??might?? be biased ,,, would you?

So glad that the regular media would not do that!

And I did make it past that first "dramatic" picture of her and the ducklings which was totally irrelevant to the shooting. It was the second, third, then that fourth one that took it over the top.

Commercial sites sell ads? During this time they are political? Say it ain't so!

[OldCoyote]

It is the sold ads,, Look at  the current thing on Hurricane Florence.. All the pictures show the worst conditions,, when just behind them is something not bad at all,,

But then it is no news story is it!!

[OldCoyote]

besides that I put a disclaimer up,,,, Hard Right,,If the media did the same thing,

If MSNBC, did the same,   The show would be preceded by a huge banner,, "Warning!!!! Falling Off The Left Edge Political Views "   expressed here!

[billisonboard]

Sept 14, 2018 10:07:27 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

It is the sold ads,, Look at  the current thing on Hurricane Florence.. All the pictures show the worst conditions,, when just behind them is something not bad at all,,

But then it is no news story is it!!

So what is McDaniel selling? All I was pointing out is I didn't read the blog story because I wasn't buying. FWIW, I am doing the same with not going to any stories about hurricane.

[billisonboard]

Sept 14, 2018 10:13:25 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

besides that I put a disclaimer up,,,, Hard Right,, ...

I don't normally read "hard right" and think "absurd appeal to emotion". Do you recommend I start doing that?

[haapai]

I could not get past the first two paragraphs and pictures.  An internal propaganda alarm went off. 

The first pic is the blond beauty rescuing ducklings, the second pic has significantly lower composition values and features a black guy in cop pose surrounded by hijabi.  Tis a hell of a set up.  I'm not liking the text so far either. 

Maybe, if I am feeling strong and courageous later, I'll manage to read the whole thing and point out which levers are being pulled and where this narrative goes sneaky, but I just don't have the patience for that right now. 

ETA:  I don't think that I'll ever find the patience necessary to read the rest of this link.  I just got to the third pic, associated text and caption.  I don't have time for this kind of poison. 

[OldCoyote]

Sept 14, 2018 10:20:33 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Sept 14, 2018 10:13:25 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

besides that I put a disclaimer up,,,, Hard Right,, ...

I don't normally read "hard right" and think "absurd appeal to emotion". Do you recommend I start doing that?

I do read the hard left, Right and in the middle to see what is going , in attempt to see thru all the hype.

[OldCoyote]

If I had not posted this, no one would even know about it,, The police, government, politicians that are involved hope that no one see this.

 I am surprised that it was not promoted as Police officer save the neighborhood from deranged woman running around in her pajamas!!

Yea that's the ticket,, We don't want any bad fables out the about Police officer shooting unarmed women,,, Looks bad for the Dept.

[billisonboard]

Sept 14, 2018 11:01:52 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Sept 14, 2018 10:20:33 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I don't normally read "hard right" and think "absurd appeal to emotion". Do you recommend I start doing that?

I do read the hard left, Right and in the middle to see what is going , in attempt to see thru all the hype.

Which is why I went to the site. Unfortunately it was too much visual hype.

[Tennesseer]

Officer found guilty this afternoon of third-degree murder and manslaughter in the death of Justine Damond.

[busymom]

That incident happened in one of the nicest parts of Minneapolis.  There is no good reason the officer should've felt the need to even have a gun in his hand, much less shoot someone.  I try to give police the benefit of the doubt, but this woman never should've died.  Imagine the lowest crime area in your own town, and an innocent person gets shot by an officer.  



Just wanted to mention that the Betsy Hodges is no longer their mayor.

[OldCoyote]

Apr 30, 2019 19:55:57 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Hmmm, I heard this on the news tonight while making dinner.

Knowing nothing about the case I commented to DW- White woman shot by Muslim cop.  Of course THAT cop is found guilty......

Here Demi, just for you!

After reading more about Officer Mohamed Noor, I think that this poor officer is falsely charged!

He grew up in the poor Country of Somalia, completely disadvantaged, managed to come to the U.S. as an immigrant.

with a lot of hard work, he managed to over come the the biases of being a Black Somalian Muslim immigrant, to become a police officer,,

receiving the highest recommendation from his Superior Officer allowing him to be in charge of the most powerful weapon held by the police Department!!

The evening of the terrible accident, Officer Noor with his highly recommended partner received a call about a woman possibly screaming,,

Checking out the dark ally, finding nothing, called in an officer safe on the radio, Only to have some crazed angry woman slam the side of the patrol car leap in front of the driver window,

scaring the crap out of Noor and his partner,, fearing for his partners life, He pulled out the duty weapon firing once, hitting Damond,,

Jesus, Christ,, what the hell is wrong with this woman,, I mean running around at midnight, barefoot, and only pajamas on in a dark ally,,, acting crazy and angry!!!

Dumb fucking bitch,,, who could blame Officer Noor for shooting her!

It has become really apparent that the only reason that he is on trial, because he is a Black Somali Muslim immigrant,,, she is a white woman!

[OldCoyote]

Quote from an Aussie reporter after watching the Trial.   In Australia,, our police do not shoot unarmed women!

Here is a older news article that is related ,, note the numbers on police shootings.

www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-40664471

[OldCoyote]

Police shootings of unarmed people,  A couple of articles.
www.nytimes.com/2015/08/02/us/training-officers-to-shoot-first-and-he-will-answer-questions-later.html 

www.policeone.com/officer-shootings/articles/472952006-3-myths-about-officer-involved-shootings/


      

[djAdvocate]

Sept 14, 2018 8:37:50 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Bills, I stated right at the top, that this was a Right Leaning Blog,,Do any of you put a disclaimer on any of the Left Leaning articles you post??

I think this is really unfair to bills.

i think he is BY FAR the most even handed person on the board in terms of references.

he will use references that he thinks are legit no matter what the source, and i respect him for it.

[OldCoyote]

May 1, 2019 11:30:07 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 14, 2018 8:37:50 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Bills, I stated right at the top, that this was a Right Leaning Blog,,Do any of you put a disclaimer on any of the Left Leaning articles you post??

I think this is really unfair to bills.

i think he is BY FAR the most even handed person on the board in terms of references.

he will use references that he thinks are legit no matter what the source, and i respect him for it.

I have to agree,  that was why I was surprised that Bills, took exception to the pictures did not view the rest of the article.

[weltschmerz]

Sept 14, 2018 11:11:41 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

If I had not posted this, no one would even know about it,, The police, government, politicians that are involved hope that no one see this.

 I am surprised that it was not promoted as Police officer save the neighborhood from deranged woman running around in her pajamas!!

Yea that's the ticket,, We don't want any bad fables out the about Police officer shooting unarmed women,,, Looks bad for the Dept.

What are you yammering about? It was on CNN just the other day.  He was convicted of 3rd degree murder. Oh, but it's CNN! Must be fake news!

[OldCoyote]

May 1, 2019 18:36:05 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Sept 14, 2018 11:11:41 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

If I had not posted this, no one would even know about it,, The police, government, politicians that are involved hope that no one see this.

 I am surprised that it was not promoted as Police officer save the neighborhood from deranged woman running around in her pajamas!!

Yea that's the ticket,, We don't want any bad fables out the about Police officer shooting unarmed women,,, Looks bad for the Dept.

What are you yammering about? It was on CNN just the other day.  He was convicted of 3rd degree murder. Oh, but it's CNN! Must be fake news!

Did you check the date of my post? Sept 14, 2018.

When was he convicted third degree murder?  April 30 2019.

[weltschmerz]

May 1, 2019 18:48:04 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

May 1, 2019 18:36:05 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

What are you yammering about? It was on CNN just the other day.  He was convicted of 3rd degree murder. Oh, but it's CNN! Must be fake news!

Did you check the date of my post? Sept 14, 2018.

When was he convicted third degree murder?  April 30 2019.

So what was your point?
The wheels of justice grind slowly.

[OldCoyote]

Did I see where you were moving,, get moved ok?

[billisonboard]

May 1, 2019 18:04:44 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

May 1, 2019 11:30:07 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

I think this is really unfair to bills.

i think he is BY FAR the most even handed person on the board in terms of references.

he will use references that he thinks are legit no matter what the source, and i respect him for it.

I have to agree,  that was why I was surprised that Bills, took exception to the pictures did not view the rest of the article.

There is no connection to that first picture of the murder victim and any sentence in the entire article. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. Also the picture is larger than the first paragraph. Clearly the goal is to get the viewer feeling. I prefer to think about information rather than feel about it.

[weltschmerz]

May 1, 2019 20:31:00 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Did I see where you were moving,, get moved ok?

Fine, thanks for asking.

[OldCoyote]

May 1, 2019 22:33:15 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

May 1, 2019 18:04:44 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

I have to agree,  that was why I was surprised that Bills, took exception to the pictures did not view the rest of the article.

There is no connection to that first picture of the murder victim and any sentence in the entire article. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. Also the picture is larger than the first paragraph. Clearly the goal is to get the viewer feeling. I prefer to think about information rather than feel about it.

So, then the next pictures showing the fine officer with his family and another officer, and the picture of the Mayor with some of the family, was a smear job??  was political slanted??

How so?

[billisonboard]

May 2, 2019 7:19:28 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

May 1, 2019 22:33:15 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

There is no connection to that first picture of the murder victim and any sentence in the entire article. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. Also the picture is larger than the first paragraph. Clearly the goal is to get the viewer feeling. I prefer to think about information rather than feel about it.

... the fine officer ...

Noor is, now, a convicted murderer. Referring to him as you do is an attempt to create an emotional tone for the discussion.

[billisonboard]

May 2, 2019 7:19:28 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

May 1, 2019 22:33:15 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

There is no connection to that first picture of the murder victim and any sentence in the entire article. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. Also the picture is larger than the first paragraph. Clearly the goal is to get the viewer feeling. I prefer to think about information rather than feel about it.

So, then the next pictures showing the fine officer with his family and another officer, and the picture of the Mayor with some of the family, was a smear job??  was political slanted??

How so?

Note the size of the second picture. Does it add to the story to that degree? I thought the first picture of the mayor was fine to illustrate a point. The second, "orgasmic bliss"? Please.

As you indicated, the blog is hard right and is politically slanted that direction. I have no problem with that. It is the blatant appeal to emotion of this particular piece that I object.